Thank you! John
-----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brenda Price Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse WasRe: PICKSystems Administratorposition Your contribution is welcome and valued! Brenda L Price UniVerse Lead Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC U2 User Group Board Member - u2ug.org > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- > boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Carter > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:08 PM > To: 'U2 Users List' > Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems > Administratorposition > > I'm no shill for Epicor, they usually regard me as competition for > their consulting and project management services. > > I just thought that I would contribute about a topic that I was pretty > familiar with. I thought that was part of value of this forum. > > Pardon me for interrupting. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- > boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:01 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICKSystems > Administratorposition > > You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. > Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. > > > On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: > > I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the > chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, > I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might > be beneficial to some. > > > > I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and > independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several > Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, > Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release > to the current version), and now Epicor 9. > > > > Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL > or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower > performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports > were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress > server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming > that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be > faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and > stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. > > > > Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still > run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and > functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is > getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days > and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers > to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from > Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer > that was previously using Vista 8. > > > > In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the > ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying > the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and > Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. > Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces > to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform > extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. > Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's > Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be > learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some > of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very > complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and > Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). > > > > The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the > customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process > functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit > the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO > KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily > moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time > a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training > is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated > with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users > exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the > upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality > and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of > roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped > on or deleted. > > > > Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we > believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple > of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. > > > > In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the > rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are > GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. > > > > John H Carter III > > Impact Business Consulting Corporation > > Cell (760) 497-5545 > > "Unlocking Your Potential" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- > boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis > > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM > > To: U2 Users List > > Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems > Administratorposition > > > > Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, > > particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. > I'm > > particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress > "Progress > > Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its > products." > > That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource > R&D, > > although they seem to "insource" them instead. > > > > Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a > > reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and > migrate to > > their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor > was from > > the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL > Server > > offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle > tier > > AFAIK. --dawn > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Barry Rogen <bro...@pny.com> wrote: > > > >> Epicor has their "package of the future" which started as > Vantage and > >> is now just called Epicor 9. It is a Progress based system which > can run on > >> either a Progress database or Sql. Unfortunately, my company has > taken the > >> misstep to divert from UniVerse to this monstrosity. > >> > >> Barry Rogen > >> Senior Programmer/Analyst > >> 973 560-5327 > >> bro...@pny.com > >> ----------------------------------------------------- > >> We are continually faced with great opportunities > >> brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. > >> John W > Gardner > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Before printing please think about your environmental > responsibility > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: > >> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM > >> To: U2 Users List > >> Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems > Administrator > >> position > >> > >> Epicor's Avante used to run on both UniData and UniVerse. I presume > that > >> Avante is still the same. Avante-UniData was intended for Windows > Servers. > >> Avante-UniVerse on Unix Servers. > >> > >> I am not aware of any Epicor's product running on Progress. > >> > >> I believe that Epicor had (or still has) other ERP software running > on U2. > >> > >> A few years ago, with Epicor's new president, George X... Epicor's > newer > >> flagship product was released and runs on Microsoft SQL Server. > >> > >> --Bill > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: > >> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM > >> To: U2 Users List > >> Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator > >> position > >> > >> This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a > >> distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress > instead? > >> Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously > Intuit > >> Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? > Does > >> anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith > <gar...@charlesmcmurray.com > >>> wrote: > >>> Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to > >>> another equity investor. > >>> > >>> "Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire > >>> business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions > and > >>> combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue > of $825 > >> million." > >>> - Information Week 4/5 > >>> > >>> Most of these are U2 based applications. > >>> > >>> Garry L. Smith > >>> Dir Info Systems > >>> Charles McMurray Company > >>> V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob > >>> Woodward > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM > >>> To: U2 Users List > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position > >>> > >>> It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that > >>> Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing > >>> expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph > >>> Chelston > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM > >>> To: U2 Users List > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position > >>> > >>> Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. > >>> > >>> This is a very confidential position. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc > >>> Harbeson > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM > >>> To: 'U2 Users List' > >>> Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position > >>> > >>> Can you at least say "southern CA" or "northern NY" or something in > >>> the ballpark of where on earth it is located? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph > >>> Chelston > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM > >>> To: U2 Users List > >>> Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position > >>> > >>> We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term > contract > >>> position. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this > forum. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to > give > >>> you the full details of this opportunity direct. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Joe Chelston > >>> > >>> Executive Recruiter > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Phone: 856.218.1000 > >>> > >>> Fax: 856.228.8585 > >>> > >>> Cell: 856.422.4400 > >>> > >>> Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> U2-Users mailing list > >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> U2-Users mailing list > >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> U2-Users mailing list > >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> U2-Users mailing list > >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> U2-Users mailing list > >>> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > >>> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dawn M. 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