Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-07 Thread Mark Baldridge
You might consider issuing a sync call in your scripts before splitting off a mirror. You do not want to miss any dirty block in the I/O buffer cache that have not made it to the disk storage. If the mirror split process already contains a sync, then it will take little additional time as there

RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Robert Paterson
If you are truly 24x7 then the best way in my opinion would be to mirror - or better yet - triple mirror the disks. Then, using dbpause to pause, split one of the mirrors off, dbresume and then mount the split disk for backup separately. The triple mirror will then mean you still have two sets

Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread TVankirk
Jeff, We also are a 24/7 shop and we use Tivoli Storage Manager and just back up Unidata hot. What happens is that some very active files will have errors when restored and we simply run fixfile, fixgroup, etc to throw out the incomplete records. This is not perfect, but gets us 99% of

Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Gordon J Glorfield
Your query got me curious so I went to our DBA to ask. We have a live system, a fallback system and a development system. 3:00 AM was determined to be the time with the lowest volume of activity. So at that time we do a Unix system copy of the file systems from the live system to the

RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Robert DunnMiller
Jeff - The answer to that question is rooted in the backup methodology you are employing. If, for example, you are running on EMC, you can pause the database long enough to split off a BCV, then resume the database, and perform your backup from the copy you split off. The SHARK offers Flash Copy,

RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Anthony Dzikiewicz
We are using Veritas NetBackup. What we do is kick off the users, do a disk to disk with Veritas, process nightly (approx 15 minutes of exclusive system use), then allow users to login. After that we duplicated the diskbackup to tape. Our files that are backed up are only about 4.5gb. So, it

Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Thomas Derwin
Hi, For starters, you might check the features of your AIX filesystem. Does it have any kind of snapshot feature? If it does, you might only need to dbpause while the snapshot command executes. On DEC Tru64, we use the Advanced filesystem (AdvFS). It has a awesome feature called clone

Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Martin Phillips
Then, using dbpause to pause, split one of the mirrors off, dbresume and then mount the split disk for backup separately. Beware! Unless your application makes full use of transaction processing, dbpause may well split in the middle of a business transaction. If you were, for example, moving

RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Tom Dodds
] On Behalf Of Robert Paterson Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 9:04 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation If you are truly 24x7 then the best way in my opinion would be to mirror - or better yet - triple mirror the disks. Then, using dbpause to pause

Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread mgolden
We do a disk-to-disk-to-tape backup to minimize the amount of quiet time required from the live data files, and we schedule the backup to coincide with the workers' scheduled break. Michael Golden Unique Fabricating Inc --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To

RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K
We only DB Pause the system long enough to sync up a parallel copy of the database on our SAN. The parallel copy then gets unmounted off the production server. It is mounted on the backup up server and a tape backup is done. You need enough disk for another copy of your production files. We mount

RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Robert Paterson
snipAnd if you are using a Windows box, dbpause doe NOT close open files at the O/S level (at least in UniData it does not)/snip Just a thought, have you tried the sync command available from http://www.sysinternals.com to see if that helps? I appreciate that the open files issue may still be a

Re: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread Josh Volosov (3)
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RE: [U2] Backup, dbpause 24/7 operation

2006-01-06 Thread John Solie
Hi Jeff, We use the FlashCopy feature of our FAStT disk array. My script does a dbpause, then runs a script to activate flashcopy on our FAStT (which takes a kind of snapshot of the disk, and the array is able to maintain this snapshot even as the underlying data changes) then dbresume. The