RE: We need a web based Forum!
Seems to me a system where *email (the list) carries on as usual *All emailed responses are submitted as forum responses *All forum responses are whooshed out to the list as email I would whole-heartedly agree with this. BUT I have never seen such an animal in action myself. I think it's mythical. Will I have certainly been involved in usenet newsgroups that are linked in this way. I gave an example in previous emails. It has been developed for forums too, as per my email below, which no one to date has commented on. Admittedly it is currently in beta, but the forum system it is available on phpBB is very widely used and respected. E.g. the MQseries forum, that I use all the time - http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/index.php uses phpBB. So will the U2 user group, like to look at this solution? This would give us both a web and mail list presence and would make ALL of us happy. It will also show that this community is happy to embrace new technology when it gives benefits (explained below). James Hogan Sungard -Original Message- From: Hogan, James Sent: 22 April 2004 09:38 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! I think I have found the holy grail! http://m2f.sourceforge.net/ Mail 2 Forum joins two separate worlds of internet based communication together. Until now, the phpBB web based bulletin board or forum systems existed completely separately and isolated from existing email based mailing list or list serve systems. Each system operated independently. Separately, each system has its own advantages and disadvantages. Electronic mailing lists are very simple and convenient for the end user, no harder than using the email he or she already uses. The disadvantage is there is little history or organization of past discussions. Emails tend to get lost in time and an email's content is only available to the original recipients. While some lists servers have the ability to keep a history or archive the email messages, the archiving is usually non-intelligent and non-categorized leaving the user with a mess of unorganized messages. Additionally, archiving is only uni-directional, meaning you may only go back and view the archives. At the same time web based forums like phpBB are very well suited for organized bi-directional discussion. Users may view or contribute to a subject by posting to a new or existing thread of information in any category now or in the future. Unfortunately, this requires the user to use the web based interface, for some this may be less convenient than email. Although, web based forums and email list serves both have the common purpose of communication, each system achieves this very differently. The purpose of Mail 2 Forum is to overlap the functionality of both forum systems and mailing list systems. Mail 2 Forum gives the user the best of both worlds. The initial release of Mail 2 Forum will include the following features... Integrates with phpBB (bulletin board/forum software) Allows posting to a phpBB forum via an email. Allows a copy of a phpBB forum messages to be delivered via email. Bidirectional communication is intelligently routed to or from appropriate forum/thread based on content. Users may subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists via the phpBB interface or via email. May be managed via the phpBB interface. May be used as a new mailing list server/manager May be used as mailing list manager with an existing mailing list server (like listserv or majordomo) Can synchronize with multiple email systems (sendmail, .forward, read files, read IMAP and POP3) Simple to use and administer. Secure and Anti spam features (uses phpbb security features) Open source code under GNU/GPL license. James Hogan -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
Two ideas, not entirely original: 1) The techie in me says It would be an interesting project to create the e-mail and web interfaces described in an MV system. (What a concept, a database for massive amounts of structured data...) It wouldn't have the bells and whistles of established e-mail listservers (for a while anyway), nor of established web forums, but it would be possible to store the data in an MV environment which then populates one of the standard web forum software packages through an API, or a web interface can be written. 2) The more practical side of me says: There is a comp.databases.Pick and a comp.databases.Revelation (which isn't used), and comp.databases.ibm-db2. Maybe it's time for comp.databases.ibm-u2.tech and comp.databases.ibm-u2.misc? I believe this has been alluded to by Kevin Zollinger, James Hogan, and Dawn Wolthuis, to some extent. Personally I don't like e-mail forums. I prefer Usenet where Google can do the archiving and I can use real news software to track threaded discussions. Usenet can be browsed with e-mail, web browser, _and_ a real Usenet reader. It's also pull technology. E-mail is pull technology to an extent as well, but it's more push technology because it pushes itself into the e-mail queue. I think the only reason people won't like this is that a lot of people don't understand what Usenet is, and they won't want to get a new reader. Well folks, e-mail was never designed for this sort of thing, Usenet was. Another change that would need to be made is that people will have to learn to stop posting real e-mail addresses and URLs. You can post what you want to Usenet but harvesting programs WILL create spam for every address made available to the public. To curb some of the issues, a private server can be setup, available by registration and login only, but since it's so easy to register to the list I can see spammers registering to a private server as soon as they find it. Tony I wrote a Usenet client in D3, after that, anything is possible. :) James Hogan wrote: Seems to me a system where *email (the list) carries on as usual *All emailed responses are submitted as forum responses *All forum responses are whooshed out to the list as email I would whole-heartedly agree with this. BUT I have never seen such an animal in action myself. I think it's mythical. Will I have certainly been involved in usenet newsgroups that are linked in this way. I gave an example in previous emails. It has been developed for forums too, as per my email below, which no one to date has commented on. [snip] -Original Message- [snip Mail 2 Forum info] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files
hard coded maximum type 19 files are based on machine limits Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UniVerse: 10.0.10 Windows: 2000 Server We've encountered a problem such that when writing records to a Type 1 file, with a Record Id length greater than 41 characters, the Record Id is truncated to the first 41 characters. Does anyone whether this is:- a hard coded maximum? configurable? a UniVerse bug? Any/all thoughts welcome... Thanks, John Appleyard -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
callFTP?
Anyone know if there's been talk about a callFTP function? That would be nice to have. Currently we're executing unix commands to ftp files around. But parsing the output to determine whether or not the transfer was successful seems a bit hap-hazard to me. If anyone would care to share their ftp tricks and tips, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Mark. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files
No probes on our Universe 9 i.e :ED BP 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 New record. : FILE 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 filed in file BP. :.X 01 ED BP 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 0 lines long. Which I realise is not actually a great help :-) Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of chris Sent: 23 April 2004 12:52 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files hard coded maximum type 19 files are based on machine limits Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UniVerse: 10.0.10 Windows: 2000 Server We've encountered a problem such that when writing records to a Type 1 file, with a Record Id length greater than 41 characters, the Record Id is truncated to the first 41 characters. Does anyone whether this is:- a hard coded maximum? configurable? a UniVerse bug? Any/all thoughts welcome... Thanks, John Appleyard -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files
John, Type 1 is only there for backward compatibility. Type 19 does the same job but has fewer complications. -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've encountered a problem such that when writing records to a Type 1 file, with a Record Id length greater than 41 characters, the Record Id is truncated to the first 41 characters. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files
create a new type 19 copy in the type 1 delete the type 1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien Sent: 23 April 2004 13:13 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files How do you change a type1 to a type 19, on our setup the global catdir is a type 1 file, and some of our programs have rather lengthy names ?? Claus Derlien edb-afdelingen direkte : 63 13 86 69 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frie Funktionærer - faglig organisation og tværfaglig a-kasse - www.f-f.dk *** Denne email og alle filer vedlagt som bilag kan indeholde fortroligt materiale, der kun er beregnet for adressaten, og maa ikke udleveres eller kopieres til uvedkommende. Har De ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne email, bedes De venligst omgaaende meddele os dette pr. telefon : 6313 8550. Paa forhaand tak. *** This email and any files transmitted with it may contain confidential information intended for the addressee(s) only. The information is not to be surrendered or copied to unauthorised persons. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone: +45 6313 8550. Thank you. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
I think I have found the holy grail! Mr Hogan, Sir I do believe you have it... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: callFTP?
Mark, We are running on Windows and use ftp primarily for transferring files and records between branch or laptop systems and main office systems. We transfer type 18 files and records from type 19 files. Because we never truly loose the data, it is always still on the sending system, we don't get real crazy about checking the transfer. However, here is what we do. For type 18 files, we transfer them to a hold account and then do a count on the file and capture the output. This gives us two things. First, we can verify the number of records. Secondly, we have found if the transfer fails and the file is corrupted the COUNT command will not work. If the files are corrupted we display an error message, if not, we copy them over to the live files. For type 19 files we put a flag record from the receiving system to the sending system, transfer the records, and then get the flag record. This tells us the ftp transfer did not bomb out in the middle. It obviously does not check data integrity, but as I said we can always pull the data again. If we cannot get the flag record we display an error message. We have found, short of network interruptions, we have very little problem with the ftp transfers and have had no instances of data corruption unless there has been a premature network disconnect. We have been running the transfers for about 5 years. HTH, Mike Dallaire Mortgage Builder Software Inc. (248) 208-3223 ext. 103 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mortgagebuilder.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daly, Mark Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:05 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: callFTP? Anyone know if there's been talk about a callFTP function? That would be nice to have. Currently we're executing unix commands to ftp files around. But parsing the output to determine whether or not the transfer was successful seems a bit hap-hazard to me. If anyone would care to share their ftp tricks and tips, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Mark. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule upl program in pick basic
Reddy - please respond to the List (not directory to me). The Wizard will walk you through most of the Steps, the only fields you need to set are; Run: - Enter something like; D:\uv\bin\uvsh.exe PHANTOM RUN BP PROGRAMNAME Start In: - Directory Path of UV Account Run as: - User Name Password (you may need domain; domain\userid ?) Oh, and you may need to review your Login VOC item; make sure it doesn't start a menu if phantom. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to schedule upl program in pick basic hi How can we run tcl commands in scheduled task. can u please explain in detail tx in advance for the help regards reddy Mark Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/22/2004 05:17 PM Please respond to U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject RE: How to schedule upl program in pick basic If W2k you can use the Scheduled Tasks feature (start, settings, control panel) to kick off TCL commands. If Unix use Cron. I have upl which calls a set of basic programs. The set of programs will create text files form Universe datanase. Can anyone tell me how to schedule the UPL so that i can run the upl everday at particular time. __ This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is protected by law as privileged and confidential, and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying or retention of this e-mail or the information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. Thank you. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is protected by law as privileged and confidential, and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying or retention of this e-mail or the information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. Thank you. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
How to schedule Pick basic programs
Hi, Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs. tx in advance for the help regards, Reddy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
Are you on Unix ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 April 2004 13:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to schedule Pick basic programs Hi, Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs. tx in advance for the help regards, Reddy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: callFTP?
We use Kermit scripts to allow error trapping of ftp processes. Can't say it's 100% foolproof, but it's a big improvement. For example: #!/bin/kermit + set transfer display crt if \v(argc) 2 exit 1 Usage: \%0 file ftp open dest_computer /user:usernm /password:passwd if fail exit 1 dest_computer: Connection failed if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 Login failed cd /where/the/local/copy/is if fail exit 1 /where/the/local/copy/is \v(errstring) ftp cd /where/to/put/it if fail exit 1 ftp cd /where/to/put/it \v(ftp_message) ftp put \%1 if fail exit 1 ftp put \%1: \v(ftp_message) ftp bye exit If you log the output, you can quickly see Why did last night's job fail? The exit 1 also sets the @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE for error trapping. Best, David Beahm Daly, Mark wrote: Anyone know if there's been talk about a callFTP function? That would be nice to have. Currently we're executing unix commands to ftp files around. But parsing the output to determine whether or not the transfer was successful seems a bit hap-hazard to me. If anyone would care to share their ftp tricks and tips, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Mark. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
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Re: We need a web based Forum!
Branching from your idea: Funny thing, last week two of us were discussing what a terrible job our company's spam/virus filter was doing, and concluded it's exactly the kind of thing MV does best, if only there was a true email interface. On top of that, many of us have had to make hacks to execute blat/elm/sendmail (we just redid ours to add support for priority, Cc:, return request, etc.) Native U2 email support (POP and SMTP) would certainly make this a possibility, and (re: the originial issue) the data could also be served up forum-style through UniObjects/UoJ (unless, as you and others suggest, someone went further and made web interfaces as well). Anyway, sounds like adding this would introduce a viable business opportunity - lots of places want small-footprint, low-maintenance email filters. AFAICS each site wouldn't take more than a couple of user licenses as well. Happy musing, David Beahm Tony Gravagno wrote: Two ideas, not entirely original: 1) The techie in me says It would be an interesting project to create the e-mail and web interfaces described in an MV system. (What a concept, a database for massive amounts of structured data...) It wouldn't have the bells and whistles of established e-mail listservers (for a while anyway), nor of established web forums, but it would be possible to store the data in an MV environment which then populates one of the standard web forum software packages through an API, or a web interface can be written. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
Create a .bat file that contains UDT PROGAM.TO.RUN Use the scheduler on Win2k to call the *.bat file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:49 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs windows 2000 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
Another method would be: ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS 0001: PA 0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day) 0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run) 0003: TCL COMMAND 0004: TCL COMMAND 0005: TCL COMMAND 0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day) PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS LO It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts (unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to schedule Pick basic programs Hi, Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs. tx in advance for the help regards, Reddy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
How far can U2 scale?
At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData or UniVerse database? Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with? I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into scaling issues. However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their products as scaling the best. So, what's the cut-off for U2? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
Across 3 systems, 7,500(ish) on-line Users, have benchmarked to 20,000+ Users. Spooler struggles and we have re-written parts of it. -Original Message- From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 April 2004 14:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How far can U2 scale? At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData or UniVerse database? Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with? I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into scaling issues. However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their products as scaling the best. So, what's the cut-off for U2? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData or UniVerse database? Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with? I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into scaling issues. However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their products as scaling the best. So, what's the cut-off for U2? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. Dawn, Maybe there is a theoretical limit but I've yet to see it reached and don't really know where it is. I've been involved with UD/UV systems with thousand of simultaneous users. Sometimes we had to get creative when there were time constraints for jobs (multi-threading and/or distributed processing) but I've not seen a situation that could not be handle by our beloved multi-valued systems. My US$0.02, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
Dawn, Looking at this from outside, I would suggest that session persistence creates the overheads, so if you are running a traditional application that needs to maintain a single session per user (e.g a green screen or UniOjects application) you are probably limited to several thousand users on current hardware. There are a number of sites over here that run those sort of numbers. If you adopt a 'pure database' model (i.e. not an embedded database running the application) a la SQL Server or Oracle, where you are just farming data in response to requests or calling atomic stored procedures, and using some form of responder architecture, I cannot see why there should be any real scaling limits. After all, we run hundreds of users through RedBack on hardware that is not particularly massy or fast. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: 23 April 2004 14:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How far can U2 scale? At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData or UniVerse database? Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with? I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into scaling issues. However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their products as scaling the best. So, what's the cut-off for U2? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Barcode printing
Are you looking to print barcodes as a component of another document, or independent documents such as shipping labels, warehouse tags, and the like? Is this something you're looking for dedicated barcode printers to service, or attempting to leverage your existing HP gear? --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lee Messenger Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com Subject: Barcode printing I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within Universe basic. I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles numeric data and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active. Can anyone provide me with some information or examples. We are a Windows environment with HP printers. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you, Lee J Messenger Sr VP Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] DLT Transportation Services, Inc. Phone :(816) 242-4505 Fax :(816) 483-7222 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
OT RE: We need a web based Forum!
I would whole-heartedly agree with this. BUT I have never seen such an animal in action myself. I think it's mythical. Will It is not mythical, one of the forums I use works exactly like that. You do have to be set up as a user and subscribe to the forums you want to read. But after that, emails show up on the forum, and anything posted to the forum goes out via email. (It even puts a cute little postmark on the message if you view it on the web page, to show it was posted via email.) A quick look says that the forum software is... O'Reilly WebBoard 4.20.82 (c)1995-2000 Duke Engineering/O'Reilly Associates, Inc. WebBoard is a trademark of O'Reilly Associates, Inc. -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Barcode printing
If you are just looking to print from One particular printer, there are also external devices you can hook inline to the printer and the cable, which will take ASCII codes and translate them to the appropriate HP codes to produce the bar code. the 128 barcode from Pick, (David Church's) should be available from the files section of the list (I forget how). It works great with HP printers and is easy to implement. George -Original Message- From: Lee Messenger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com Subject: Barcode printing I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within Universe basic. I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles numeric data and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active. Can anyone provide me with some information or examples. We are a Windows environment with HP printers. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you, Lee J Messenger Sr VP Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] DLT Transportation Services, Inc. Phone :(816) 242-4505 Fax :(816) 483-7222 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Barcode printing
We will be using our existing HP team printers to generate the barcodes. Greg Bonebrake with PPI in St Louis sent me some code to generate 128 barcodes that works great. Thanks again Greg for your quick response. Lee J Messenger Sr VP Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] DLT Transportation Services, Inc. Phone :(816) 242-4505 Fax :(816) 483-7222 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:26 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Barcode printing Are you looking to print barcodes as a component of another document, or independent documents such as shipping labels, warehouse tags, and the like? Is this something you're looking for dedicated barcode printers to service, or attempting to leverage your existing HP gear? --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lee Messenger Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com Subject: Barcode printing I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within Universe basic. I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles numeric data and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active. Can anyone provide me with some information or examples. We are a Windows environment with HP printers. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you, Lee J Messenger Sr VP Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] DLT Transportation Services, Inc. Phone :(816) 242-4505 Fax :(816) 483-7222 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Barcode printing
In my 15 years of printing/using bar codes, I've concluded that it's best to not re-invent the wheel and purchase printers that are bar code capable. Thus, you don't really make up the bar code lines themselves, you just send an escape sequence telling the printer what kind of code, orientation, position and value. I used to do bar code manually on Printronix printers and will never go back to calculating the spaces. Let the printers do their magic. my 1 cent. - Original Message - From: Lee Messenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:03 AM Subject: Barcode printing I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within Universe basic. I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles numeric data and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active. Can anyone provide me with some information or examples. We are a Windows environment with HP printers. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you, Lee J Messenger Sr VP Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] DLT Transportation Services, Inc. Phone :(816) 242-4505 Fax :(816) 483-7222 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
This is so simple. Wish we would have discovered it 4 years ago. We've been doing it the hard way (batch/script file in Scheduler/cron in Windoze/AIX) up to now. Why didn't UV Support ever tell us about this? :-( Thanks George! Now, if you still want to use the batch file approach you may find you'll need the following command ahead of the execution line: SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1 - it's been a while since we did this but I think this makes sure that Universe sees the process as a phantom and not something else. We ran into problems without it. Reported it as an issue to Universe a long time agonot sure if it's ever been fixed. Also, don't know what UDT command does as indicated in Marty Benson's reply - doesn't work on our systems. Here's a sample of what our batch file might look like (as given to us by UniVerse Support) The first line is needed if the UV data account is not on the same drive as the system substitute drive letters as needed for your system mappings D: CD \path_to_UV_data_account SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1 D:\path_to_UV_bin_directory\uv tcl_command_line D:\path_to_output_file ... Or NULL Gary Eppel Cerner Corp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:32 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs Another method would be: ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS 0001: PA 0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day) 0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run) 0003: TCL COMMAND 0004: TCL COMMAND 0005: TCL COMMAND 0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day) PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS LO It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts (unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to schedule Pick basic programs Hi, Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs. tx in advance for the help regards, Reddy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and any included attachments are from Cerner Corporation and are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute inside or non-public information under international, federal, or state securities laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or you may call Cerner's corporate offices in Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A at (+1) (816)221-1024. -- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
In a message dated 4/23/2004 4:16:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So will the U2 user group, like to look at this solution? This would give us both a web and mail list presence and would make ALL of us happy. It will also show that this community is happy to embrace new technology when it gives benefits (explained below). James Hogan Sungard I move that we nominate James to investigate this possibility further, including testing this beta software and report back on its feasibility. Do I have a second? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
I like the scheduled approach (NT). A phantom in UniVerse like is shown below with the LOOP/REPEAT gets lost when the server is restarted. So you need to have a procedure that restarts the job. If you use the NT scheduler, it is always going to run -- even after a restart. Dick Kryka Director of Applications CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc. Paragon Financial Services 303-632-2226 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eppel,Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:39 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs This is so simple. Wish we would have discovered it 4 years ago. We've been doing it the hard way (batch/script file in Scheduler/cron in Windoze/AIX) up to now. Why didn't UV Support ever tell us about this? :-( Thanks George! Now, if you still want to use the batch file approach you may find you'll need the following command ahead of the execution line: SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1 - it's been a while since we did this but I think this makes sure that Universe sees the process as a phantom and not something else. We ran into problems without it. Reported it as an issue to Universe a long time agonot sure if it's ever been fixed. Also, don't know what UDT command does as indicated in Marty Benson's reply - doesn't work on our systems. Here's a sample of what our batch file might look like (as given to us by UniVerse Support) The first line is needed if the UV data account is not on the same drive as the system substitute drive letters as needed for your system mappings D: CD \path_to_UV_data_account SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1 D:\path_to_UV_bin_directory\uv tcl_command_line D:\path_to_output_file ... Or NULL Gary Eppel Cerner Corp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:32 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs Another method would be: ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS 0001: PA 0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day) 0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run) 0003: TCL COMMAND 0004: TCL COMMAND 0005: TCL COMMAND 0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day) PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS LO It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts (unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to schedule Pick basic programs Hi, Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs. tx in advance for the help regards, Reddy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and any included attachments are from Cerner Corporation and are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute inside or non-public information under international, federal, or state securities laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or you may call Cerner's corporate offices in Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A at (+1) (816)221-1024. -- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
Will, I'm always happy to nominate someone else to do work. :) I second Will's motion. - Charles Where There's a Will... Barouch -- Original Message - Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:46:44 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (U2 Users Discussion List) In a message dated 4/23/2004 4:16:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So will the U2 user group, like to look at this solution? This would give us both a web and mail list presence and would make ALL of us happy. It will also show that this community is happy to embrace new technology when it gives benefits (explained below). James Hogan Sungard I move that we nominate James to investigate this possibility further, including testing this beta software and report back on its feasibility. Do I have a second? Will -- Get Results from KeyAlly.com Rely on Key Ally www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
Interesting subject! I think I'm in Brian's camp on this one -- scalability is most dependent on application system and its architecture -- of which the database system is a critical component. I'm wondering where n-tier applications fit into this discussion. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the architecture of most MV applications is at best a 2-tier design... and the client tier tends to be very thin. With such a design, it seems reasonable to say that for a well designed 2-tier application, the performance characteristics and capability of the database system to use available hardware resources are significant factors. What little bit I know about n-tier architecture tells me the database system is a scalability factor, but the addition of other components in the application needed to coordinate application functionality across the various tiers plays a HUGE role. Well designed applications that can scale by adding systems seems like a powerful notion. But, just like the 2-tier application, scalability is still dependent on the capability of the overall application design (including its third-party components) and its capable to use the available hardware resources. N-tier seems like scalability Nirvana to me -- though very difficult to achieve. Are there highly scalable n-tier applications using Universe, Unidata, jBASE, etc? Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -Original Message- From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How far can U2 scale? At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData or UniVerse database? Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with? I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into scaling issues. However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their products as scaling the best. So, what's the cut-off for U2? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
Actually, this method has been in the documentation for at least 10 years. Though you'd think it would be documented in the UniVerse User Reference manual under 'uv', it's actually found under UV.LOGIN. Go figure. At least it still appears in the rev10 documentation in the same place. At 12:39 PM 4/23/2004, you wrote: This is so simple. Wish we would have discovered it 4 years ago. We've been doing it the hard way (batch/script file in Scheduler/cron in Windoze/AIX) up to now. Why didn't UV Support ever tell us about this? :-( Thanks George! Now, if you still want to use the batch file approach you may find you'll need the following command ahead of the execution line: SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1 - it's been a while since we did this but I think this makes sure that Universe sees the process as a phantom and not something else. We ran into problems without it. Reported it as an issue to Universe a long time agonot sure if it's ever been fixed. Also, don't know what UDT command does as indicated in Marty Benson's reply - doesn't work on our systems. Here's a sample of what our batch file might look like (as given to us by UniVerse Support) The first line is needed if the UV data account is not on the same drive as the system substitute drive letters as needed for your system mappings D: CD \path_to_UV_data_account SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1 D:\path_to_UV_bin_directory\uv tcl_command_line D:\path_to_output_file ... Or NULL Gary Eppel Cerner Corp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:32 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs Another method would be: ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS 0001: PA 0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day) 0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run) 0003: TCL COMMAND 0004: TCL COMMAND 0005: TCL COMMAND 0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day) PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS LO It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts (unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to schedule Pick basic programs Hi, Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs. tx in advance for the help regards, Reddy -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and any included attachments are from Cerner Corporation and are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute inside or non-public information under international, federal, or state securities laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or you may call Cerner's corporate offices in Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A at (+1) (816)221-1024. -- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
what I do for that is I have a script I run when either of UV admins logs in which checks the status of any phantoms that are supposed to be running on a daily basis, and if not, reports that they are not running. which is much easier in *NIX (with the ps command). I don't know what you would use in NT to see running processes. Using PORT.STATUS unless your root i *NIX only shows your processes, not all processes. Don't know how it behaves in windows. This is fine for one or two events. However, the scheduling software (like BENTON and others) would probably be the better route to take if you have a lot of scheduling. But You could also write a small UV Basic program that would sample the date/time, then check to see if any processes should fire off, and phantom them off, then do a CHAIN to phantom itself again (to prevent previous completed phantoms from hanging the processes up waiting for the parent phantom to die). If you go this route, make sure the checks are only done once per minute or you will start rapid firing processes until the minute is up. At least in UV phantoms are free (unless you start using the socket stuff with the newer UV releases - or so it's been stated). George -Original Message- From: Kryka, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 12:49 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs I like the scheduled approach (NT). A phantom in UniVerse like is shown below with the LOOP/REPEAT gets lost when the server is restarted. So you need to have a procedure that restarts the job. If you use the NT scheduler, it is always going to run -- even after a restart. Dick Kryka Director of Applications CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc. Paragon Financial Services 303-632-2226 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: OT RE: We need a web based Forum!
In a message dated 4/23/2004 11:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would whole-heartedly agree with this. BUT I have never seen such an animal in action myself. I think it's mythical. Will It is not mythical, one of the forums I use works exactly like that. I'm a show-me kind-of-guy, so name the forum or post a link so we can all see that it works that way :) Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well. Is this a bug ? If I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in. Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data. Anthony -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
this is proper sequence of shutting UV off net stop uvtelnet net stop universe net stop hsrexec net stop unirpc this is proper sequence of starting UV up net start universe net start uvtelnet net start unirpc net start hsrexec Sergey Eremenko -Original Message- From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well. Is this a bug ? If I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in. Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data. Anthony -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services form desktop shortcuts. Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the service, but it's a nice way to free resources. You may see the command window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be able to catch the errors. Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown. You can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users are still logged-in or some other processes are running. HTH, Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well. Is this a bug ? If I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in. Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data. Anthony -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
Tony, Willing to share any of those scripts? Also, does anyone have a UinData version of these start/shutdown scripts? - Charles Scripted Barouch From: Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services form desktop shortcuts. -- Get Results from KeyAlly.com Rely on Key Ally www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
OK I just did it your way and I got the same results. I did a startuv, logged in via telnet, did a stopuv - telnet session is still alive and well. The book says you can use 'net' commands via the actual program or by using the 'description'. They should both do the same thing no ? Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eremenko, Sergey Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:35 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) this is proper sequence of shutting UV off net stop uvtelnet net stop universe net stop hsrexec net stop unirpc this is proper sequence of starting UV up net start universe net start uvtelnet net start unirpc net start hsrexec Sergey Eremenko -Original Message- From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well. Is this a bug ? If I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in. Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data. Anthony -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
OK. I've done some testing. It appears that your telnet connection to localhost UV will stay alive until you will leave that connection. Even if universe itself stopped, you still able to run simple commands like LISTU, LISTF, so on. I think that if you want to perform smooth clean and no-troubles UV shutdown, you MUST do it from outside of your existing connection. For instance, you can initiate scheduled command to execute your stopuv.bat by invoke of AT command from your telnet session. It will means that stopuv.bat will execute in different content than your UV telnet session. And in this case your telnet connection will be kicked out for sure. My $.02 Sergey Eremenko. -Original Message- From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) I understand. Im just testing this at the command line. Here is the output of the stop; C:\SCRIPTSstopuv C:\SCRIPTSnet stop uvtelnet The UniVerse Telnet Service service is stopping. The UniVerse Telnet Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop universe The UniVerse Resource Service service is stopping. The UniVerse Resource Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop hsrexec The UniVerse REXEC Service service is stopping. The UniVerse REXEC Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop unirpc The Uni RPC Service service is stopping. The Uni RPC Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTStype stopuv.bat net stop uvtelnet net stop universe net stop hsrexec net stop unirpc C:\SCRIPTS XP has a 'thing' where you can do something like run1.bat run2.bat or run1.bat || run2.bat This says that the second command runs only if the first is not successful or vice versa. So, with this you could say stop and if it fails go to try again until it stops. The problem is that is coming back 'ok'. It would be nice to do a 'ps -ef | grep uv' , but I don't think there is a windows equivalent. Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:49 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services form desktop shortcuts. Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the service, but it's a nice way to free resources. You may see the command window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be able to catch the errors. Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown. You can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users are still logged-in or some other processes are running. HTH, Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well. Is this a bug ? If I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in. Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data. Anthony -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: starting and stopping processes
Tony, Willing to share any of those scripts? Also, does anyone have a UinData version of these start/shutdown scripts? - Charles Scripted Barouch It's not rocket science, but here are some examples. Just create the scripts in a standard directory, then drag shortcuts to your desktop, then assign relevant icons to each shortcut: For D3 it's simple: net start d3vme For shutting down I always shutdown from within the environment. I wrote my own version of D3Tray called NebulaMonitor which intercepts a system shutdown if D3 is up and offers to shutdown D3 or cancel the shutdown. I think this could easily be adapted for Unidata and Universe over Win32. --- For mvBASE: net start mvBase Server net start mvBase WorkStation --- For IIS, a StartIIS.BAT does this: cscript //nologo startweb.vbs And the VBS is this: set IISOBJ = getObject(IIS://localhost/w3svc/1) IISOBJ.Start set IISOBJ = nothing Stopping IIS just changes the .Start to .Stop --- MySQL is this: net start mysql --- I have a BAT to start and stop all services in a particular class. Here is one I run if I'm not planning to do FlashCONNECT or other web development for a while: net stop flashconnect cscript //nologo stopweb.vbs net stop w3svc --- I don't guess any more examples are necessary. Enjoy. Tony No Mom, HE's Chuck! Gravagno [Related AD] New NebulaLaunch will start and stop any process on any system in your office or anywhere on the internet, all directly from your MV BASIC code. (Any system running a NebulaLaunch server that is.) NebulaLaunch is being distributed as a free and integrated component within the new NebulaPay credit/debit payment processing software, now in Beta. And by the way, NebulaPay is free too, no up-front costs, maintenance, or support fees. NebulaPay info is here: http://Nebula-RnD.com/products/financial.htm NebulaLaunch will be productized separately as time permits. Inquiries welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
That's the problem. Telnet isn't being kicked out. I am doing this (start/stop) from the command line already. No big deal though. I just thought it was kind of odd. We run the 'real' system on unix and linux where I don't have such troubles. Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eremenko, Sergey Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:20 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) OK. I've done some testing. It appears that your telnet connection to localhost UV will stay alive until you will leave that connection. Even if universe itself stopped, you still able to run simple commands like LISTU, LISTF, so on. I think that if you want to perform smooth clean and no-troubles UV shutdown, you MUST do it from outside of your existing connection. For instance, you can initiate scheduled command to execute your stopuv.bat by invoke of AT command from your telnet session. It will means that stopuv.bat will execute in different content than your UV telnet session. And in this case your telnet connection will be kicked out for sure. My $.02 Sergey Eremenko. -Original Message- From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) I understand. Im just testing this at the command line. Here is the output of the stop; C:\SCRIPTSstopuv C:\SCRIPTSnet stop uvtelnet The UniVerse Telnet Service service is stopping. The UniVerse Telnet Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop universe The UniVerse Resource Service service is stopping. The UniVerse Resource Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop hsrexec The UniVerse REXEC Service service is stopping. The UniVerse REXEC Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop unirpc The Uni RPC Service service is stopping. The Uni RPC Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTStype stopuv.bat net stop uvtelnet net stop universe net stop hsrexec net stop unirpc C:\SCRIPTS XP has a 'thing' where you can do something like run1.bat run2.bat or run1.bat || run2.bat This says that the second command runs only if the first is not successful or vice versa. So, with this you could say stop and if it fails go to try again until it stops. The problem is that is coming back 'ok'. It would be nice to do a 'ps -ef | grep uv' , but I don't think there is a windows equivalent. Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:49 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services form desktop shortcuts. Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the service, but it's a nice way to free resources. You may see the command window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be able to catch the errors. Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown. You can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users are still logged-in or some other processes are running. HTH, Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well. Is this a bug ? If I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in. Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data. Anthony -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)
(I'm talking about UV / NT tandem - I'm not Unix guru) Unfortunately, stopping of UV telnet service will not log users out; it will just prevent future logons via telnet. Untill tl_server.exe process (corresponded to your connection to local UV) is not terminating by something, it will stay here and you will be able to see. You'd better log this connection out from outside or just kill this process. Sergey Eremenko -Original Message- From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) That's the problem. Telnet isn't being kicked out. I am doing this (start/stop) from the command line already. No big deal though. I just thought it was kind of odd. We run the 'real' system on unix and linux where I don't have such troubles. Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eremenko, Sergey Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:20 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) OK. I've done some testing. It appears that your telnet connection to localhost UV will stay alive until you will leave that connection. Even if universe itself stopped, you still able to run simple commands like LISTU, LISTF, so on. I think that if you want to perform smooth clean and no-troubles UV shutdown, you MUST do it from outside of your existing connection. For instance, you can initiate scheduled command to execute your stopuv.bat by invoke of AT command from your telnet session. It will means that stopuv.bat will execute in different content than your UV telnet session. And in this case your telnet connection will be kicked out for sure. My $.02 Sergey Eremenko. -Original Message- From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) I understand. Im just testing this at the command line. Here is the output of the stop; C:\SCRIPTSstopuv C:\SCRIPTSnet stop uvtelnet The UniVerse Telnet Service service is stopping. The UniVerse Telnet Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop universe The UniVerse Resource Service service is stopping. The UniVerse Resource Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop hsrexec The UniVerse REXEC Service service is stopping. The UniVerse REXEC Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTSnet stop unirpc The Uni RPC Service service is stopping. The Uni RPC Service service was stopped successfully. C:\SCRIPTStype stopuv.bat net stop uvtelnet net stop universe net stop hsrexec net stop unirpc C:\SCRIPTS XP has a 'thing' where you can do something like run1.bat run2.bat or run1.bat || run2.bat This says that the second command runs only if the first is not successful or vice versa. So, with this you could say stop and if it fails go to try again until it stops. The problem is that is coming back 'ok'. It would be nice to do a 'ps -ef | grep uv' , but I don't think there is a windows equivalent. Anthony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:49 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services form desktop shortcuts. Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the service, but it's a nice way to free resources. You may see the command window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be able to catch the errors. Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown. You can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users are still logged-in or some other processes are running. HTH, Tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition) So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing. I wrote some UV Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks. I don't want Universe running on my machine all the time. So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service NET STOP Uni RPC Service This appears to work. The messages come up as everything being successful. I do a 'NET START' to see the services running and it doesn't show
RE: How far can U2 scale?
Design plays a big role. Some banks have massive systems, because all the customer data is in one spot even though customers are spread over several cities and states. To me if you live in City A you conduct most of your transactions in city A and occasionaly on business or holiday you may do business in City B which can be done through a remote procedure. Instead of one big mainframe, why noy have several smaller regional centers. In this area, I am interested in the performance of UvNet, Distributed Files and Remote Procedure calls to handle scalability. Has anyone had experience in this area. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Friday, 23 April 2004 11:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How far can U2 scale? At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData or UniVerse database? Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with? I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into scaling issues. However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their products as scaling the best. So, what's the cut-off for U2? Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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RE: How far can U2 scale?
There are quite a few sites running upwards of 2000 users in my region (Asia Pacific). The model is many small users (such as insurance brokers, accountants, tax agents, etc.) having dial-in access. One site is licensed for 3300 users, and sustains a load over 3000 users most of the day with acceptable response metrics. Strictly two tier (one tier really). -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
I would imagine in any of the scenarios that has been given, if some form of local (client side) intelligence is employed, coupled with a non-persistent connection scheme to the central database, that the numbers that have been quoted here (2-10,000) could easily be multiplied by a factor of 5-10 . but of course you may hit the wall in terms of saleability of web servers (web farms), network topology infrastructure etc. I think it would be fair to say, within the parameters that others have outlined (massively large databases vs. massively large user populations) that there are no practical limits to mv scalability. I recall hearing a story about when Tim Holland migrated Pick Open Architecture to the Sequoia machine. Similar concerns were raised about the saleability of pick, but it soon became obvious that it was the underlying Unix that would be pushed Given the historic position that mv allows you to do more with less, I don't think we should be too surprised by this. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Wurlod Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2004 9:05 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: How far can U2 scale? There are quite a few sites running upwards of 2000 users in my region (Asia Pacific). The model is many small users (such as insurance brokers, accountants, tax agents, etc.) having dial-in access. One site is licensed for 3300 users, and sustains a load over 3000 users most of the day with acceptable response metrics. Strictly two tier (one tier really). -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21/04/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users