RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread Hogan, James
 Seems to me a system where
 *email (the list) carries on as usual
 *All emailed responses are submitted as forum responses
 *All forum responses are whooshed out to the list as email

I would whole-heartedly agree with this.  BUT I have never seen such an
animal in action myself.  I think it's mythical.
Will

I have certainly been involved in usenet newsgroups that are linked in this
way. I gave an example in previous emails. It has been developed for forums
too, as per my email below, which no one to date has commented on.
Admittedly it is currently in beta, but the forum system it is available on
phpBB is very widely used and respected. E.g. the MQseries forum, that I
use all the time - http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/index.php uses phpBB.

So will the U2 user group, like to look at this solution? This would give us
both a web and mail list presence and would make ALL of us happy. It will
also show that this community is happy to embrace new technology when it
gives benefits (explained below).

James Hogan
Sungard

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I think I have found the holy grail!

http://m2f.sourceforge.net/

Mail 2 Forum joins two separate worlds of internet based communication
together.

Until now, the phpBB web based bulletin board or forum systems existed
completely separately and isolated from existing email based mailing list or
list serve systems. Each system operated independently. Separately, each
system has its own advantages and disadvantages.

Electronic mailing lists are very simple and convenient for the end user, no
harder than using the email he or she already uses. The disadvantage is
there is little history or organization of past discussions. Emails tend to
get lost in time and an email's content is only available to the original
recipients. While some lists servers have the ability to keep a history or
archive the email messages, the archiving is usually non-intelligent and
non-categorized leaving the user with a mess of unorganized messages.
Additionally, archiving is only uni-directional, meaning you may only go
back and view the archives.

At the same time web based forums like phpBB are very well suited for
organized bi-directional discussion. Users may view or contribute to a
subject by posting to a new or existing thread of information in any
category now or in the future. Unfortunately, this requires the user to use
the web based interface, for some this may be less convenient than email.
Although, web based forums and email list serves both have the common
purpose of communication, each system achieves this very differently.

The purpose of Mail 2 Forum is to overlap the functionality of both forum
systems and mailing list systems. Mail 2 Forum gives the user the best of
both worlds.

The initial release of Mail 2 Forum will include the following features... 
Integrates with phpBB (bulletin board/forum software)
Allows posting to a phpBB forum via an email.
Allows a copy of a phpBB forum messages to be delivered via email.
Bidirectional communication is intelligently routed to or from appropriate
forum/thread based on content.
Users may subscribe/unsubscribe to mailing lists via the phpBB interface or
via email.
May be managed via the phpBB interface.
May be used as a new mailing list server/manager
May be used as mailing list manager with an existing mailing list server
(like listserv or majordomo)
Can synchronize with multiple email systems (sendmail, .forward, read files,
read IMAP and POP3)
Simple to use and administer.
Secure and Anti spam features (uses phpbb security features)
Open source code under GNU/GPL license.

James Hogan
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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread Tony Gravagno
Two ideas, not entirely original:
1) The techie in me says
It would be an interesting project to create the e-mail and web interfaces
described in an MV system.  (What a concept, a database for massive amounts
of structured data...)  It wouldn't have the bells and whistles of
established e-mail listservers (for a while anyway), nor of established web
forums, but it would be possible to store the data in an MV environment
which then populates one of the standard web forum software packages through
an API, or a web interface can be written.

2) The more practical side of me says:
There is a comp.databases.Pick and a comp.databases.Revelation
(which isn't used), and comp.databases.ibm-db2.  Maybe it's time for
comp.databases.ibm-u2.tech and comp.databases.ibm-u2.misc?  I believe this
has been alluded to by Kevin Zollinger, James Hogan, and Dawn Wolthuis, to
some extent.  Personally I don't like e-mail forums.  I prefer Usenet where
Google can do the archiving and I can use real news software to track
threaded discussions.  Usenet can be browsed with e-mail, web browser, _and_
a real Usenet reader.  It's also pull technology.  E-mail is pull technology
to an extent as well, but it's more push technology because it pushes itself
into the e-mail queue.
I think the only reason people won't like this is that a lot of
people don't understand what Usenet is, and they won't want to get a new
reader.  Well folks, e-mail was never designed for this sort of thing,
Usenet was.
Another change that would need to be made is that people will have
to learn to stop posting real e-mail addresses and URLs.  You can post what
you want to Usenet but harvesting programs WILL create spam for every
address made available to the public.
To curb some of the issues, a private server can be setup, available
by registration and login only, but since it's so easy to register to the
list I can see spammers registering to a private server as soon as they find
it.

Tony
I wrote a Usenet client in D3, after that, anything is possible.  :)

James Hogan wrote:
 Seems to me a system where 
 *email (the list) carries on as usual
 *All emailed responses are submitted as forum responses
 *All forum responses are whooshed out to the list as email

I would whole-heartedly agree with this.  BUT I have never 
seen such an animal in action myself.  I think it's mythical.
Will

I have certainly been involved in usenet newsgroups that are 
linked in this way. I gave an example in previous emails. It 
has been developed for forums too, as per my email below, 
which no one to date has commented on.
[snip]

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Re: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files

2004-04-23 Thread chris
hard coded maximum
type 19 files are based on machine limits
Chris

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UniVerse: 10.0.10
Windows: 2000 Server
We've encountered a problem such that when writing records to a Type 1
file, with a Record Id length greater than 41 characters, the Record Id is
truncated to the first 41 characters.
Does anyone whether this is:-
 a hard coded maximum?
 configurable?
 a UniVerse bug?
Any/all thoughts welcome...

Thanks,
John Appleyard


 

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callFTP?

2004-04-23 Thread Daly, Mark
Anyone know if there's been talk about a callFTP function? That would be
nice to have.

Currently we're executing unix commands to ftp files around. But parsing the
output to determine whether or not the transfer was successful seems a bit
hap-hazard to me.

If anyone would care to share their ftp tricks and tips, I'd greatly
appreciate it.

Thanks,

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RE: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files

2004-04-23 Thread Bob Witney
No probes on our Universe 9

i.e
:ED BP 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
New record.

: FILE
12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 filed in file BP.
:.X
01 ED BP 12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
0 lines long.

Which I realise is not actually a great help :-)

Bob

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hard coded maximum
type 19 files are based on machine limits

Chris


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

UniVerse: 10.0.10
Windows: 2000 Server

We've encountered a problem such that when writing records to a Type 1
file, with a Record Id length greater than 41 characters, the Record Id is
truncated to the first 41 characters.

Does anyone whether this is:-
  a hard coded maximum?
  configurable?
  a UniVerse bug?

Any/all thoughts welcome...

Thanks,
John Appleyard



  


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Re: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files

2004-04-23 Thread Results
John,
   Type 1 is only there for backward compatibility. Type 19 does the 
same job but has fewer complications.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We've encountered a problem such that when writing records to a Type 1
file, with a Record Id length greater than 41 characters, the Record Id is
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RE: [UV] Max RecId Length with Type1 files

2004-04-23 Thread Bob Witney
create a new type 19
copy in the type 1
delete the type 1

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How do you change a type1 to a type 19, on our setup the global catdir is a
type 1 file, and some of our 
programs have rather lengthy names ??

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RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread Dennis Bartlett
 I think I have found the holy grail!

Mr Hogan, Sir

I do believe you have it...


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RE: callFTP?

2004-04-23 Thread Mike Dallaire
Mark,
We are running on Windows and use ftp primarily for transferring files and
records between branch or laptop systems and main office systems.  We
transfer type 18 files and records from type 19 files.
Because we never truly loose the data, it is always still on the sending
system, we don't get real crazy about checking the transfer.
However, here is what we do.  For type 18 files, we transfer them to a hold
account and then do a count on the file and capture the output.  This gives
us two things.  First, we can verify the number of records.  Secondly, we
have found if the transfer fails and the file is corrupted the COUNT command
will not work.  If the files are corrupted we display an error message, if
not, we copy them over to the live files.
For type 19 files we put a flag record from the receiving system to the
sending system, transfer the records, and then get the flag record.  This
tells us the ftp transfer did not bomb out in the middle.  It obviously does
not check data integrity, but as I said we can always pull the data again.
If we cannot get the flag record we display an error message.
We have found, short of network interruptions, we have very little problem
with the ftp transfers and have had no instances of data corruption unless
there has been a premature network disconnect.  We have been running the
transfers for about 5 years.
HTH,
Mike Dallaire
Mortgage Builder Software Inc.
(248) 208-3223 ext. 103
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Anyone know if there's been talk about a callFTP function? That would be
nice to have.

Currently we're executing unix commands to ftp files around. But parsing the
output to determine whether or not the transfer was successful seems a bit
hap-hazard to me.

If anyone would care to share their ftp tricks and tips, I'd greatly
appreciate it.

Thanks,

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RE: How to schedule upl program in pick basic

2004-04-23 Thread Mark Eastwood
Reddy - please respond to the List (not directory to me).
 
The Wizard will walk you through most of the Steps, the only fields you
need to set are;
Run: - Enter something like; D:\uv\bin\uvsh.exe PHANTOM RUN BP
PROGRAMNAME
Start In: - Directory Path of UV Account
Run as: - User Name  Password (you may need domain; domain\userid ?)
   
Oh, and you may need to review your Login VOC item; make sure it doesn't
start a menu if phantom.

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hi 

How can we run tcl commands in scheduled task. can u please explain in
detail 



tx in advance for the help 


regards 
reddy 



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If W2k you can use the Scheduled Tasks feature (start, settings, control
panel) to kick off TCL commands.

If Unix use Cron. 

 
 I have upl which calls a set of basic programs. The set of 
 programs will 
 create text files form Universe datanase. Can anyone tell me how to 
 schedule the UPL so that i can run the upl everday at particular time.
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How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread BReddy
Hi,

Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs.

tx in advance for the help

regards,
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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread Bob Witney
Are you on Unix ?


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Hi,

Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs.

tx in advance for the help

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Re: callFTP?

2004-04-23 Thread David Beahm
We use Kermit scripts to allow error trapping of ftp processes.  Can't 
say it's 100% foolproof, but it's a big improvement.  For example:

#!/bin/kermit +
set transfer display crt
if  \v(argc) 2 exit 1 Usage:  \%0 file
ftp open dest_computer /user:usernm /password:passwd
if fail exit 1 dest_computer: Connection failed
if not \v(ftp_loggedin) exit 1 Login failed
cd /where/the/local/copy/is
if fail exit 1 /where/the/local/copy/is \v(errstring)
ftp cd /where/to/put/it
if fail exit 1 ftp cd /where/to/put/it \v(ftp_message)
ftp put \%1
if fail exit 1 ftp put \%1: \v(ftp_message)
ftp bye
exit
If you log the output, you can quickly see Why did last night's job 
fail?  The exit 1 also sets the @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE for error trapping.

Best,
David Beahm
Daly, Mark wrote:

Anyone know if there's been talk about a callFTP function? That would be
nice to have.
Currently we're executing unix commands to ftp files around. But parsing the
output to determine whether or not the transfer was successful seems a bit
hap-hazard to me.
If anyone would care to share their ftp tricks and tips, I'd greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks,

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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread BReddy
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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread David Beahm
Branching from your idea:
Funny thing, last week two of us were discussing what a terrible job our 
company's spam/virus filter was doing, and concluded it's exactly the 
kind of thing MV does best, if only there was a true email interface. 
On top of that, many of us have had to make hacks to execute 
blat/elm/sendmail (we just redid ours to add support for priority, Cc:, 
return request, etc.)  Native U2 email support (POP and SMTP) would 
certainly make this a possibility, and (re: the originial issue) the 
data could also be served up forum-style through UniObjects/UoJ (unless, 
as you and others suggest, someone went further and made web interfaces 
as well).

Anyway, sounds like adding this would introduce a viable business 
opportunity - lots of places want small-footprint, low-maintenance email 
filters.  AFAICS each site wouldn't take more than a couple of user 
licenses as well.

Happy musing,
David Beahm
Tony Gravagno wrote:

Two ideas, not entirely original:
1) The techie in me says
It would be an interesting project to create the e-mail and web interfaces
described in an MV system.  (What a concept, a database for massive amounts
of structured data...)  It wouldn't have the bells and whistles of
established e-mail listservers (for a while anyway), nor of established web
forums, but it would be possible to store the data in an MV environment
which then populates one of the standard web forum software packages through
an API, or a web interface can be written.
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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread marty . benson
Create a .bat file that contains UDT PROGAM.TO.RUN
  
Use the scheduler on Win2k to call the *.bat file.

 

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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread George Gallen
Another method would be:

ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS

0001: PA
0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day)
0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run)
0003: TCL COMMAND
0004: TCL COMMAND
0005: TCL COMMAND
0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day)


PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS
LO


It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts
(unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). 

George



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Hi,

Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs.

tx in advance for the help

regards,
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How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Dawn M. Wolthuis
At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that
you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData
or UniVerse database?  

Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for
example due to the scale you are working with?

I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use
standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for
those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into
scaling issues.  However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing
small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their
products as scaling the best.

So, what's the cut-off for U2?  Thanks.  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
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RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Keith Upton
Across 3 systems, 7,500(ish) on-line Users, have benchmarked to 20,000+
Users.  Spooler struggles and we have re-written parts of it.

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At what point in the life of application software would it be so large
that
you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing
UniData
or UniVerse database?  

Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for
example due to the scale you are working with?

I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use
standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for
those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running
into
scaling issues.  However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing
small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their
products as scaling the best.

So, what's the cut-off for U2?  Thanks.  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
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RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Gordon Glorfield
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 At what point in the life of application software would it be 
 so large that you could not (or would not want to) support it 
 with your existing UniData or UniVerse database?  
 
 Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or 
 Oracle, for example due to the scale you are working with?
 
 I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do 
 ODBC and use standard industry tools (and most find that the 
 grass is not greener for those purposes), but I don't hear 
 about switching because of running into scaling issues.  
 However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing 
 small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think 
 of their products as scaling the best.
 
 So, what's the cut-off for U2?  Thanks.  --dawn
 
 Dawn M. Wolthuis
 Tincat Group, Inc.

Dawn,

Maybe there is a theoretical limit but I've yet to see it reached and don't
really know where it is.  I've been involved with UD/UV systems with
thousand of simultaneous users.  Sometimes we had to get creative when there
were time constraints for jobs (multi-threading and/or distributed
processing) but I've not seen a situation that could not be handle by our
beloved multi-valued systems.

My US$0.02,
Gordon

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MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company)
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RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Brian Leach
Dawn,

Looking at this from outside, I would suggest that session persistence
creates the overheads, so if you are running a traditional application that
needs to maintain a single session per user (e.g a green screen or UniOjects
application) you are probably limited to several thousand users on current
hardware. There are a number of sites over here that run those sort of
numbers.

If you adopt a 'pure database' model (i.e. not an embedded database running
the application) a la SQL Server or Oracle, where you are just farming data
in response to requests or calling atomic stored procedures, and using some
form of responder architecture, I cannot see why there should be any real
scaling limits. After all, we run hundreds of users through RedBack on
hardware that is not particularly massy or fast.

Brian

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Subject: How far can U2 scale?

At what point in the life of application software would it be so large that
you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing UniData
or UniVerse database?  

Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for
example due to the scale you are working with?

I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use
standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for
those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running into
scaling issues.  However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing
small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their
products as scaling the best.

So, what's the cut-off for U2?  Thanks.  --dawn

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RE: Barcode printing

2004-04-23 Thread Kevin King
Are you looking to print barcodes as a component of another document, or
independent documents such as shipping labels, warehouse tags, and the like?
Is this something you're looking for dedicated barcode printers to service,
or attempting to leverage your existing HP gear?

--Kevin
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 I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within
 Universe basic.  I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some
 references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles
 numeric data
 and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active.

 Can anyone provide me with some information or examples.

 We are a Windows environment with HP printers.

 Any assistance would be appreciated.

 Thank you,

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OT RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread Wendy Smoak

 I would whole-heartedly agree with this.  BUT I have never 
 seen such an 
 animal in action myself.  I think it's mythical.
 Will

It is not mythical, one of the forums I use works exactly like that.
You do have to be set up as a user and subscribe to the forums you
want to read.  But after that, emails show up on the forum, and anything
posted to the forum goes out via email.  (It even puts a cute little
postmark on the message if you view it on the web page, to show it was
posted via email.)

A quick look says that the forum software is...
O'Reilly WebBoard 4.20.82 (c)1995-2000 Duke Engineering/O'Reilly 
Associates, Inc. 
WebBoard is a trademark of O'Reilly  Associates, Inc. 

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RE: Barcode printing

2004-04-23 Thread George Gallen
If you are just looking to print from One particular printer, there
are also external devices you can hook inline to the printer and the
cable, which will take ASCII codes and translate them to the appropriate
HP codes to produce the bar code.

the 128 barcode from Pick, (David Church's) should be available from
the files section of the list (I forget how). It works great with HP
printers and is easy to implement.

George

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I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within
Universe basic.  I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus 
and found some
references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only 
handles numeric data
and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active.

Can anyone provide me with some information or examples.

We are a Windows environment with HP printers.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Thank you,

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RE: Barcode printing

2004-04-23 Thread Lee Messenger
We will be using our existing HP team printers to generate the barcodes.
Greg Bonebrake with PPI in St Louis sent me some code to generate 128
barcodes that works great.

Thanks again Greg for your quick response.


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Are you looking to print barcodes as a component of another document, or
independent documents such as shipping labels, warehouse tags, and the like?
Is this something you're looking for dedicated barcode printers to service,
or attempting to leverage your existing HP gear?

--Kevin
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 I am attempting to identify a solution to printing barcodes from within
 Universe basic.  I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some
 references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles
 numeric data
 and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active.

 Can anyone provide me with some information or examples.

 We are a Windows environment with HP printers.

 Any assistance would be appreciated.

 Thank you,

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Re: Barcode printing

2004-04-23 Thread Mark Johnson
In my 15 years of printing/using bar codes, I've concluded that it's best to
not re-invent the wheel and purchase printers that are bar code capable.
Thus, you don't really make up the bar code lines themselves, you just send
an escape sequence telling the printer what kind of code, orientation,
position and value.

I used to do bar code manually on Printronix printers and will never go back
to calculating the spaces. Let the printers do their magic.

my 1 cent.
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 Universe basic.  I have reviewed the archives at IndexFocus and found some
 references to examples, however the 2 of 5 example only handles numeric
data
 and the link to the 128 barcode was no longer active.

 Can anyone provide me with some information or examples.

 We are a Windows environment with HP printers.

 Any assistance would be appreciated.

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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread Eppel,Gary


This is so simple. Wish we would have discovered it 4 years ago. We've
been doing it the hard way (batch/script file in Scheduler/cron in
Windoze/AIX) up to now. Why didn't UV Support ever tell us about this?
:-(


Thanks George!


Now, if you still want to use the batch file approach you may find
you'll need the following command ahead of the execution line:

SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1

- it's been a while since we did this but I think this makes sure that
Universe sees the process as a phantom and not something else. We ran
into problems without it. Reported it as an issue to Universe a long
time agonot sure if it's ever been fixed.

Also, don't know what UDT command does as indicated in Marty Benson's
reply - doesn't work on our systems. Here's a sample of what our batch
file might look like (as given to us by UniVerse Support)

The first line is needed if the UV data account is not on the same
drive as the system  substitute drive letters as needed for your
system mappings
  D:
  CD \path_to_UV_data_account
  SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1
  D:\path_to_UV_bin_directory\uv tcl_command_line 
D:\path_to_output_file ... Or NULL


Gary Eppel
Cerner Corp



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On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:32 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

Another method would be:

ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS

0001: PA
0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day)
0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run)
0003: TCL COMMAND
0004: TCL COMMAND
0005: TCL COMMAND
0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day)


PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS
LO


It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts
(unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). 

George



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Hi,

Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs.

tx in advance for the help

regards,
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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/23/2004 4:16:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 So will the U2 user group, like to look at this solution? This would give us
 both a web and mail list presence and would make ALL of us happy. It will
 also show that this community is happy to embrace new 
 technology when it
 gives benefits (explained below).
 
 James Hogan
 Sungard

I move that we nominate James to investigate this possibility further, including 
testing this beta software and report back on its feasibility.

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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread Kryka, Richard
I like the scheduled approach (NT).  A phantom in UniVerse like is shown
below with the LOOP/REPEAT gets lost when the server is restarted.  So
you need to have a procedure that restarts the job.  If you use the NT
scheduler, it is always going to run -- even after a restart.

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CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc.
Paragon Financial Services
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From: Eppel,Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:39 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs



This is so simple. Wish we would have discovered it 4 years ago. We've
been doing it the hard way (batch/script file in Scheduler/cron in
Windoze/AIX) up to now. Why didn't UV Support ever tell us about this?
:-(


Thanks George!


Now, if you still want to use the batch file approach you may find
you'll need the following command ahead of the execution line:

SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1

- it's been a while since we did this but I think this makes sure that
Universe sees the process as a phantom and not something else. We ran
into problems without it. Reported it as an issue to Universe a long
time agonot sure if it's ever been fixed.

Also, don't know what UDT command does as indicated in Marty Benson's
reply - doesn't work on our systems. Here's a sample of what our batch
file might look like (as given to us by UniVerse Support)

The first line is needed if the UV data account is not on the same
drive as the system  substitute drive letters as needed for your
system mappings
  D:
  CD \path_to_UV_data_account
  SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1
  D:\path_to_UV_bin_directory\uv tcl_command_line 
D:\path_to_output_file ... Or NULL


Gary Eppel
Cerner Corp



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On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:32 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

Another method would be:

ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS

0001: PA
0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day)
0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run)
0003: TCL COMMAND
0004: TCL COMMAND
0005: TCL COMMAND
0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day)


PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS
LO


It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts
(unless you need to change accounts within the VOC). 

George



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Hi,

Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs.

tx in advance for the help

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Re: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Will,
I'm always happy to nominate someone else to do work. :)
I second Will's motion.

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In a message dated 4/23/2004 4:16:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 So will the U2 user group, like to look at this solution? This would give us
 both a web and mail list presence and would make ALL of us happy. It will
 also show that this community is happy to embrace new 
 technology when it
 gives benefits (explained below).
 
 James Hogan
 Sungard

I move that we nominate James to investigate this possibility further, including 
testing this beta software and report back on its feasibility.

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RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Tom Firl
Interesting subject!

I think I'm in Brian's camp on this one -- scalability is most dependent on 
application system and its architecture -- of which the database system is a critical 
component.

I'm wondering where n-tier applications fit into this discussion.  I don't think it's 
a stretch to say that the architecture of most MV applications is at best a 2-tier 
design... and the client tier tends to be very thin.  With such a design, it seems 
reasonable to say that for a well designed 2-tier application, the performance 
characteristics and capability of the database system to use available hardware 
resources are significant factors.

What little bit I know about n-tier architecture tells me the database system is a 
scalability factor, but the addition of other components in the application needed to 
coordinate application functionality across the various tiers plays a HUGE role.  Well 
designed applications that can scale by adding systems seems like a powerful notion.  
But, just like the 2-tier application, scalability is still dependent on the 
capability of the overall application design (including its third-party components) 
and its capable to use the available hardware resources.

N-tier seems like scalability Nirvana to me -- though very difficult to achieve.  Are 
there highly scalable n-tier applications using Universe, Unidata, jBASE, etc?

Tom Firl
Columbia Ultimate

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 From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 6:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: How far can U2 scale?
 
 
 At what point in the life of application software would it be 
 so large that
 you could not (or would not want to) support it with your 
 existing UniData
 or UniVerse database?  
 
 Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or 
 Oracle, for
 example due to the scale you are working with?
 
 I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do 
 ODBC and use
 standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not 
 greener for
 those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of 
 running into
 scaling issues.  However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing
 small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their
 products as scaling the best.
 
 So, what's the cut-off for U2?  Thanks.  --dawn
 
 Dawn M. Wolthuis
 Tincat Group, Inc.
 www.tincat-group.com
 
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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread Glenn Herbert
Actually, this method has been in the documentation for at least 10 
years.  Though you'd think it would be documented in the UniVerse User 
Reference manual under 'uv', it's actually found under UV.LOGIN.  Go 
figure.  At least it still appears in the rev10 documentation in the same 
place.

At 12:39 PM 4/23/2004, you wrote:


This is so simple. Wish we would have discovered it 4 years ago. We've
been doing it the hard way (batch/script file in Scheduler/cron in
Windoze/AIX) up to now. Why didn't UV Support ever tell us about this?
:-(
Thanks George!

Now, if you still want to use the batch file approach you may find
you'll need the following command ahead of the execution line:
SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1

- it's been a while since we did this but I think this makes sure that
Universe sees the process as a phantom and not something else. We ran
into problems without it. Reported it as an issue to Universe a long
time agonot sure if it's ever been fixed.
Also, don't know what UDT command does as indicated in Marty Benson's
reply - doesn't work on our systems. Here's a sample of what our batch
file might look like (as given to us by UniVerse Support)
The first line is needed if the UV data account is not on the same
drive as the system  substitute drive letters as needed for your
system mappings
  D:
  CD \path_to_UV_data_account
  SET UNIVERSE_CONTROLLING_TERM=1
  D:\path_to_UV_bin_directory\uv tcl_command_line 
D:\path_to_output_file ... Or NULL
Gary Eppel
Cerner Corp


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of George Gallen
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:32 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs
Another method would be:

ED VOC SCHEDULE-THIS

0001: PA
0001: LOOP (If you want this to repeat each day)
0002: SLEEP XX:XX (Time you want process to run)
0003: TCL COMMAND
0004: TCL COMMAND
0005: TCL COMMAND
0005: REPEAT (If you want this to repeat each day)
PHANTOM SCHEDULE-THIS
LO
It works under all OS's, and doesn't care about the login scripts
(unless you need to change accounts within the VOC).
George



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Hi,

Can some one tell me how to schedule the pick basic programs.

tx in advance for the help

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RE: How to schedule Pick basic programs

2004-04-23 Thread George Gallen
what I do for that is I have a script I run when either of UV admins
logs in which checks the status of any phantoms that are supposed to
be running on a daily basis, and if not, reports that they are not running.
which is much easier in *NIX (with the ps command). I don't know what
you would use in NT to see running processes. Using PORT.STATUS unless
your root i *NIX only shows your processes, not all processes. Don't know
how it behaves in windows.

This is fine for one or two events.

However, the scheduling software (like BENTON and others) would probably
be the better route to take if you have a lot of scheduling. But You could
also write a small UV Basic program that would sample the date/time, then
check to see if any processes should fire off, and phantom them off, then
do a CHAIN to phantom itself again (to prevent previous completed phantoms
from hanging the processes up waiting for the parent phantom to die).

If you go this route, make sure the checks are only done once per minute
or you will start rapid firing processes until the minute is up.

At least in UV phantoms are free (unless you start using the socket stuff
with the newer UV releases - or so it's been stated).

George


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I like the scheduled approach (NT).  A phantom in UniVerse 
like is shown
below with the LOOP/REPEAT gets lost when the server is restarted.  So
you need to have a procedure that restarts the job.  If you use the NT
scheduler, it is always going to run -- even after a restart.

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Paragon Financial Services
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Re: OT RE: We need a web based Forum!

2004-04-23 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 4/23/2004 11:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I would whole-heartedly agree with this.  BUT I have never
  seen such an
  animal in action myself.  I think it's mythical.
  Will
 
 It is not mythical, one of the forums I use works exactly 
 like that.

I'm a show-me kind-of-guy, so name the forum or post a link so we can all see that it 
works that way :)
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Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Anthony Dzikiewicz
So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV Basic programs to
create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks.  I don't want
Universe running on my machine all the time.  So, I created a couple of
'.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled
tasks.  For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything being successful.
I do a 'NET START'  to see the services running and it doesn't show any of
the Universe processes.  However, I then realize that I am still logged into
Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well.  Is this a bug ?  If I
exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in.  Also, If I
stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result.
Does this happen on all windows platforms ?
What if I were shutting down to perform a backup and yet people were still
messing with the data.

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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Eremenko, Sergey
this is proper sequence of shutting UV off
net stop uvtelnet
net stop universe
net stop hsrexec
net stop unirpc

this is proper sequence of starting UV up
net start universe
net start uvtelnet
net start unirpc
net start hsrexec

Sergey Eremenko

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV Basic programs to
create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks.  I don't want
Universe running on my machine all the time.  So, I created a couple of
'.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled
tasks.  For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything being successful.
I do a 'NET START'  to see the services running and it doesn't show any of
the Universe processes.  However, I then realize that I am still logged into
Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well.  Is this a bug ?  If I
exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in.  Also, If I
stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result.
Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to
perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data.

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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Tony Gravagno
I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services
form desktop shortcuts.  Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort
um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the
service, but it's a nice way to free resources.  You may see the command
window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be
able to catch the errors.

Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so
that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown.  You
can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before
termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users
are still logged-in or some other processes are running.

HTH,
Tony

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV 
Basic programs to create batch files that are run via the 
scheduled tasks.  I don't want Universe running on my machine 
all the time.  So, I created a couple of '.bat' files to start 
and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled tasks.  
For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything 
being successful. I do a 'NET START'  to see the services 
running and it doesn't show any of the Universe processes.  
However, I then realize that I am still logged into Universe 
in the PC and it is still alive and well.  Is this a bug ?  If 
I exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log 
in.  Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the control 
panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows 
platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup 
and yet people were still messing with the data.

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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

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Tony,
Willing to share any of those scripts? Also, does anyone have a UinData version of 
these start/shutdown scripts?

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I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services form 
desktop shortcuts.  
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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Anthony Dzikiewicz
OK I just did it your way and I got the same results.
I did a startuv, logged in via telnet, did a stopuv  - telnet session is
still alive and well.  The book says you can use 'net' commands via the
actual program or by using the 'description'.  They should both do the same
thing no ?
Anthony
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Sent:   Friday, April 23, 2004 2:35 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

this is proper sequence of shutting UV off
net stop uvtelnet
net stop universe
net stop hsrexec
net stop unirpc

this is proper sequence of starting UV up
net start universe
net start uvtelnet
net start unirpc
net start hsrexec

Sergey Eremenko

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV Basic programs to
create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks.  I don't want
Universe running on my machine all the time.  So, I created a couple of
'.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set up as scheduled
tasks.  For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything being successful.
I do a 'NET START'  to see the services running and it doesn't show any of
the Universe processes.  However, I then realize that I am still logged into
Universe in the PC and it is still alive and well.  Is this a bug ?  If I
exit the session and then retry it, I wont be able to log in.  Also, If I
stop Universe the gui way from the control panel, I get the same result.
Does this happen on all windows platforms ? What if I were shutting down to
perform a backup and yet people were still messing with the data.

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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Eremenko, Sergey
OK. I've done some testing. It appears that your telnet connection to
localhost UV will stay alive until you will leave that connection. Even if
universe itself stopped, you still able to run simple commands like LISTU,
LISTF, so on. I think that if you want to perform smooth clean and
no-troubles UV shutdown, you MUST do it from outside of your existing
connection. For instance, you can initiate scheduled command to execute your
stopuv.bat by invoke of AT command from your telnet session. It will
means that stopuv.bat will execute in different content than your UV
telnet session. And in this case your telnet connection will be kicked out
for sure.
My $.02
Sergey Eremenko.

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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:14 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


I understand.  Im just testing this at the command line.  Here is the output
of the stop;

C:\SCRIPTSstopuv

C:\SCRIPTSnet stop uvtelnet
The UniVerse Telnet Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse Telnet Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop universe
The UniVerse Resource Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse Resource Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop hsrexec
The UniVerse REXEC Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse REXEC Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop unirpc
The Uni RPC Service service is stopping.
The Uni RPC Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTStype stopuv.bat
net stop uvtelnet
net stop universe
net stop hsrexec
net stop unirpc

C:\SCRIPTS

XP has a 'thing' where you can do something like   run1.bat  run2.bat or
run1.bat || run2.bat
This says that the second command runs only if the first is not successful
or vice versa.

So, with this you could say stop and if it fails go to try again until it
stops.  The problem is that is coming back 'ok'. It would be nice to do a
'ps -ef | grep uv' , but I don't think there is a windows equivalent.

Anthony

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On
Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent:   Friday, April 23, 2004 3:49 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services
form desktop shortcuts.  Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort
um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the
service, but it's a nice way to free resources.  You may see the command
window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be
able to catch the errors.

Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so
that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown.  You
can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before
termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users
are still logged-in or some other processes are running.

HTH,
Tony

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV Basic 
programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks.  I 
don't want Universe running on my machine all the time.  So, I created 
a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set 
up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything being 
successful. I do a 'NET START'  to see the services running and it 
doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize 
that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive 
and well.  Is this a bug ?  If I exit the session and then retry it, I 
wont be able to log in.  Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the 
control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows
platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup
and yet people were still messing with the data.

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RE: starting and stopping processes

2004-04-23 Thread Tony Gravagno
Tony,
Willing to share any of those scripts? Also, does anyone 
have a UinData version of these start/shutdown scripts?

   - Charles Scripted Barouch
 

It's not rocket science, but here are some examples.  Just create the
scripts in a standard directory, then drag shortcuts to your desktop, then
assign relevant icons to each shortcut:

For D3 it's simple: net start d3vme
For shutting down I always shutdown from within the environment.  I wrote my
own version of D3Tray called NebulaMonitor which intercepts a system
shutdown if D3 is up and offers to shutdown D3 or cancel the shutdown.  I
think this could easily be adapted for Unidata and Universe over Win32.
---
For mvBASE:
net start mvBase Server
net start mvBase WorkStation
---
For IIS, a StartIIS.BAT does this:
cscript //nologo startweb.vbs
And the VBS is this:
set IISOBJ = getObject(IIS://localhost/w3svc/1)
IISOBJ.Start
set IISOBJ = nothing
Stopping IIS just changes the .Start to .Stop
---
MySQL is this: net start mysql
---
I have a BAT to start and stop all services in a particular class.  Here
is one I run if I'm not planning to do FlashCONNECT or other web development
for a while:
net stop flashconnect
cscript //nologo stopweb.vbs
net stop w3svc
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I don't guess any more examples are necessary.

Enjoy.
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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Anthony Dzikiewicz
That's the problem. Telnet isn't being kicked out.  I am doing this
(start/stop) from the command line already.  No big deal though.  I just
thought it was kind of odd.  We run the 'real' system on unix and linux
where I don't have such troubles.
Anthony

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On
Behalf Of Eremenko, Sergey
Sent:   Friday, April 23, 2004 4:20 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

OK. I've done some testing. It appears that your telnet connection to
localhost UV will stay alive until you will leave that connection. Even if
universe itself stopped, you still able to run simple commands like LISTU,
LISTF, so on. I think that if you want to perform smooth clean and
no-troubles UV shutdown, you MUST do it from outside of your existing
connection. For instance, you can initiate scheduled command to execute your
stopuv.bat by invoke of AT command from your telnet session. It will
means that stopuv.bat will execute in different content than your UV
telnet session. And in this case your telnet connection will be kicked out
for sure.
My $.02
Sergey Eremenko.

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From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:14 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


I understand.  Im just testing this at the command line.  Here is the output
of the stop;

C:\SCRIPTSstopuv

C:\SCRIPTSnet stop uvtelnet
The UniVerse Telnet Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse Telnet Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop universe
The UniVerse Resource Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse Resource Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop hsrexec
The UniVerse REXEC Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse REXEC Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop unirpc
The Uni RPC Service service is stopping.
The Uni RPC Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTStype stopuv.bat
net stop uvtelnet
net stop universe
net stop hsrexec
net stop unirpc

C:\SCRIPTS

XP has a 'thing' where you can do something like   run1.bat  run2.bat or
run1.bat || run2.bat
This says that the second command runs only if the first is not successful
or vice versa.

So, with this you could say stop and if it fails go to try again until it
stops.  The problem is that is coming back 'ok'. It would be nice to do a
'ps -ef | grep uv' , but I don't think there is a windows equivalent.

Anthony

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On
Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent:   Friday, April 23, 2004 3:49 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services
form desktop shortcuts.  Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort
um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the
service, but it's a nice way to free resources.  You may see the command
window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be
able to catch the errors.

Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so
that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown.  You
can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before
termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users
are still logged-in or some other processes are running.

HTH,
Tony

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV Basic
programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks.  I
don't want Universe running on my machine all the time.  So, I created
a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set
up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything being
successful. I do a 'NET START'  to see the services running and it
doesn't show any of the Universe processes. However, I then realize
that I am still logged into Universe in the PC and it is still alive
and well.  Is this a bug ?  If I exit the session and then retry it, I
wont be able to log in.  Also, If I stop Universe the gui way from the
control panel, I get the same result. Does this happen on all windows
platforms ? What if I were shutting down to perform a backup
and yet people were still messing with the data.

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RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

2004-04-23 Thread Eremenko, Sergey
(I'm talking about UV / NT tandem - I'm not Unix guru)
Unfortunately, stopping of UV telnet service will not log users out; it will
just prevent future logons via telnet.
Untill tl_server.exe process (corresponded to your connection to local UV)
is not terminating by something, it will stay here and you will be able to
see. You'd better log this connection out from outside or just kill this
process.

Sergey Eremenko

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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 2:14 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


That's the problem. Telnet isn't being kicked out.  I am doing this
(start/stop) from the command line already.  No big deal though.  I just
thought it was kind of odd.  We run the 'real' system on unix and linux
where I don't have such troubles. Anthony

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On
Behalf Of Eremenko, Sergey
Sent:   Friday, April 23, 2004 4:20 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

OK. I've done some testing. It appears that your telnet connection to
localhost UV will stay alive until you will leave that connection. Even if
universe itself stopped, you still able to run simple commands like LISTU,
LISTF, so on. I think that if you want to perform smooth clean and
no-troubles UV shutdown, you MUST do it from outside of your existing
connection. For instance, you can initiate scheduled command to execute your
stopuv.bat by invoke of AT command from your telnet session. It will
means that stopuv.bat will execute in different content than your UV
telnet session. And in this case your telnet connection will be kicked out
for sure. My $.02 Sergey Eremenko.

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Dzikiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:14 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


I understand.  Im just testing this at the command line.  Here is the output
of the stop;

C:\SCRIPTSstopuv

C:\SCRIPTSnet stop uvtelnet
The UniVerse Telnet Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse Telnet Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop universe
The UniVerse Resource Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse Resource Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop hsrexec
The UniVerse REXEC Service service is stopping.
The UniVerse REXEC Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTSnet stop unirpc
The Uni RPC Service service is stopping.
The Uni RPC Service service was stopped successfully.


C:\SCRIPTStype stopuv.bat
net stop uvtelnet
net stop universe
net stop hsrexec
net stop unirpc

C:\SCRIPTS

XP has a 'thing' where you can do something like   run1.bat  run2.bat or
run1.bat || run2.bat
This says that the second command runs only if the first is not successful
or vice versa.

So, with this you could say stop and if it fails go to try again until it
stops.  The problem is that is coming back 'ok'. It would be nice to do a
'ps -ef | grep uv' , but I don't think there is a windows equivalent.

Anthony

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On
Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent:   Friday, April 23, 2004 3:49 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject:RE: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)

I use the same technique for starting D3, mvBASE, IIS, and other services
form desktop shortcuts.  Stopping services with a kill um all, let God sort
um out macro like this can be problematic, it really depends on the
service, but it's a nice way to free resources.  You may see the command
window flash as a BAT is executed, but if something is wrong you won't be
able to catch the errors.

Depending on how thorough you want to be, I recommend writing more code so
that your U2 systems update a Windows file when they boot and shutdown.  You
can then use a script (WSH) from your BAT which verifies the status before
termination, maybe with a pause if the status is unexpected - like if users
are still logged-in or some other processes are running.

HTH,
Tony

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On Behalf Of Anthony Dzikiewicz
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:31 AM
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Subject: Universe on XP (Personal Edition)


So, I am doing a kind of odd ball thing.  I wrote some UV Basic 
programs to create batch files that are run via the scheduled tasks.  I 
don't want Universe running on my machine all the time.  So, I created 
a couple of '.bat' files to start and stop universe, which are also set 
up as scheduled tasks. For example, stopuv bat file is

NET STOP UniVerse Telnet Service
NET STOP UniVerse REXEC Service
NET STOP UniVerse Resource Service
NET STOP Uni RPC Service

This appears to work.  The messages come up as everything being 
successful. I do a 'NET START'  to see the services running and it 
doesn't show 

RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread djordan
Design plays a big role.  Some banks have massive systems, because all
the customer data is in one spot even though customers are spread over
several cities and states.  To me if you live in City A you conduct most
of your transactions in city A and occasionaly on business or holiday
you may do business in City B which can be done through a remote
procedure.  Instead of one big mainframe, why noy have several smaller
regional centers.  In this area, I am interested in the performance of
UvNet, Distributed Files and Remote Procedure calls to handle
scalability.  Has anyone had experience in this area.

Regards

David Jordan

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At what point in the life of application software would it be so large
that you could not (or would not want to) support it with your existing
UniData or UniVerse database?  

Is there a point where you would be better served by DB2 or Oracle, for
example due to the scale you are working with?

I hear people talk about moving way from U2 in order to do ODBC and use
standard industry tools (and most find that the grass is not greener for
those purposes), but I don't hear about switching because of running
into scaling issues.  However, we sometimes think of PICK as addressing
small-to-mid size businesses and RDBMS folks sometimes think of their
products as scaling the best.

So, what's the cut-off for U2?  Thanks.  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com

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[ADMIN] [AD] Passing the Baton (Repeat)

2004-04-23 Thread Clif Oliver
Dear Friends,

As previously announced, after about nine years of hosting what has 
become the u2-users list, I have decided to pass the baton to a new 
host. I plan to use the time to pursue some other  writing projects. 
One of these is to resume writing my column previously published in 
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and will be including it as part of a professional Information 
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The U2 User Group (u2ug.org) has offered to assume the duties of host 
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Since we are getting new subscribers on an almost daily basis, I will 
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RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Ray Wurlod
There are quite a few sites running upwards of 2000 users in my region (Asia Pacific). 
 The model is many small users (such as insurance brokers, accountants, tax agents, 
etc.) having dial-in access.  One site is licensed for 3300 users, and sustains a load 
over 3000 users most of the day with acceptable response metrics.  Strictly two tier 
(one tier really).

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RE: How far can U2 scale?

2004-04-23 Thread Ross Ferris
I would imagine in any of the scenarios that has been given, if some form of local 
(client side) intelligence is employed, coupled with a non-persistent connection 
scheme to the central database, that the numbers that have been quoted here (2-10,000) 
could easily be multiplied by a factor of 5-10 . but of course you may  hit the 
wall in terms of saleability of web servers (web farms), network topology  
infrastructure etc.

I think it would be fair to say, within the parameters that others have outlined 
(massively large databases vs. massively large user populations) that there are no 
practical limits to mv scalability.

I recall hearing a story about when Tim Holland migrated Pick Open Architecture to the 
Sequoia machine. Similar concerns were raised about the saleability of pick, but it 
soon became obvious that it was the underlying Unix that would be pushed

Given the historic position that mv allows you to do more with less, I don't think we 
should be too surprised by this.


Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage  an Evolution in Software Development


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Subject: RE: How far can U2 scale?

There are quite a few sites running upwards of 2000 users in my region
(Asia Pacific).  The model is many small users (such as insurance brokers,
accountants, tax agents, etc.) having dial-in access.  One site is licensed
for 3300 users, and sustains a load over 3000 users most of the day with
acceptable response metrics.  Strictly two tier (one tier really).

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