Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-02 Thread Mark Johnson
I've found that existing systems can offer a great learning area. Perhaps
not for the best programming styles. But it's usually pretty readable and
the newbies can relate to the inside based on what's happening on the
outside.

My 1 cent
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 On 1/31/06, Walter Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
  programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would
  learn it today.
 
  I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution
  for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about
  this platform I need to let them experiment.

 I'm not aware of any introductory material... you just have to dive in.
:)

 Have them install the Personal Edition on their development
 workstations, then go through the library of PDFs.

  *
http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/search.jsp?go=yrs=u2trials
  *
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/library/100univ/univ_101.html

 It goes without saying that they should be subscribed to u2-users!

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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-01 Thread Nick Cipollina
Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/  I got my Universe
training at Marcie's school.  She now only does onsite training, but she
is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had.  She has a
lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK.

Thanks,
 
Nick Cipollina
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:34 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM
vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens 
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience 
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing
together of 
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google 
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started with 
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server
running, 
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table,
inserting 
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business
logic 
to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would 
learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution 
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about 
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-01 Thread Baker Hughes
Well said Nick.  And Marcie is a master at customizing a course to fit
your in-house skill set and expertise.  She excels at relating the
material to the paradigm your people already have, given their IS
background.  We had her out more than once, years ago [I won't say how
many ;-P ] and we were never disappointed.  I was with a public safety
agency then, and if she can teach cops and fire fighters computer stuff,
hey, you know she's good ;-).

R. Baker Hughes
UniVerse Programming
Mouser Electronics, Inc.

Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/  
I got my Universe training at Marcie's school.  
She now only does onsite training, but she is definitely
one of the best instructors I have ever had.
She has a lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK.
Thanks,
Nick Cipollina

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through
every google 
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started with 
a UniVerse.
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-01 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 2/1/06, Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/  I got my Universe
 training at Marcie's school.  She now only does onsite training, but she
 is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had.  She has a
 lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK.

I've attempted to capture all of the links that were suggested on this
Wiki page:
   http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UniVerse/GettingStarted

Please feel free to add more!  (To edit, click preferences, and the
admin password is Mr. Pick's first name in lowercase.)

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RE: RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-01 Thread brian
Walter,

There is a real gap in information for newcomers at the moment, but it is 
something this user group is trying hard to repair. We have a number of 
projects going on to make this level of information (design, best practice, 
howto-type information) available to the public. 

I know this doesn't help you now, but please be sure that you can always post 
questions here and get a response. You're among friends...

First step - download the personal edition from the IBM web site. Get the 
version for Windows - it's easier to set up. 

You can also download all of the UniVerse docs from the IBM website: they're 
all written with experienced developers in mind :-( but the system description 
guide gives a flavor of what is involved, though bear in mind that it was 
written a long time ago and has a very primitive outlook on what the technology 
can do. 

I would then go straight to the UniObjects manual to see how to use UniVerse in 
a client/server environment: that's much more fun AND the API used provides a 
nice abstraction of the database that is more approachable and quite helpful 
for newbies to learn.  


Brian


 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:34 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM
vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens 
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience 
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing
together of 
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google 
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started with 
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server
running, 
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table,
inserting 
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business
logic 
to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would 
learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution 
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about 
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Walter Vaughan wrote:

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM  
vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our  
internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL,  
PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working  
with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.


The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing  
together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.


HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through  
every google term I could think of to come up with a simple This  
is how you get started with a UniVerse. I have installed the  
personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue  
as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data  
into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business  
logic to fields.


Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked  
his programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't  
know how you would learn it today.


I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with  
this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order  
to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment.


Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-01 Thread Bill Haskett
Wendy:

Do you think it'd be a good idea to put a Getting Started link to this
page on the main page, or did I miss it?  :-)

Bill
 

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 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:27 AM
 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
 Subject: Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
 
 On 2/1/06, Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/  I got 
 my Universe 
  training at Marcie's school.  She now only does onsite 
 training, but 
  she is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had.  She 
  has a lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK.
 
 I've attempted to capture all of the links that were 
 suggested on this Wiki page:
http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UniVerse/GettingStarted
 
 Please feel free to add more!  (To edit, click preferences, 
 and the admin password is Mr. Pick's first name in lowercase.)
 
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-02-01 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
On 2/1/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2/1/06, Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/  I got my Universe
  training at Marcie's school.  She now only does onsite training, but she
  is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had.  She has a
  lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK.

 I've attempted to capture all of the links that were suggested on this
 Wiki page:
http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UniVerse/GettingStarted

 Please feel free to add more!  (To edit, click preferences, and the
 admin password is Mr. Pick's first name in lowercase.)

Thanks Wendy -- that's great!  --dawn

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[U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Walter Vaughan
We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens 
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience 
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.


The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of 
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.


HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google 
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get started with 
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, 
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting 
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic 
to fields.


Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would 
learn it today.


I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution 
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about 
this platform I need to let them experiment.


Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Allen E. Elwood
Gee, I dunno...I learned it 20 years ago... snicker

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Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too


We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together
of
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get started
with
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server
running,
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table,
inserting
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business
logic
to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would
learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Baker Hughes
Walter  Team,

I'm sure you're going to get flooded with posts now, because there is
quite a lot of passion about the Multi-value database model, and you'll
find this community extremely helpful.  I am so glad y'all are
considering an MV based app.

Installing PE UV was an excellent start.  For your staff to look around
and start creating some files [read Tables] you ought to buy a copy of
How To Access, by Harvey Rodstein.  Talk to Monica at International
Spectrum and she will send you the electronic version, just released.
http://www.intl-spectrum.com

Here is a link to some on-line publications:
http://www.jes.com/olbooks.html  Especially helpful to your programmers
would be Jonathan Sisk's Programmer's Guide.  This would be your
starting point to understand the UV-Basic language, and how to play with
multi-values (nested tables in Oracle [8 or later] lingo).


If you want to see a pretty exhaustive list of all books ever written on
the subject, go to:
http://www.jes.com/picklist.html  This list has not been updated in
recent years, I don't think, so there may be additions.

The best news about your initial steps, is that whatever you learn from
Harv's book, or commands you pick up by even gleaning non-UniVerse
publications - will work on UV.  There are many nuances of the various
'flavors' of the MV db model, but only worry about that when you get
alot deeper.  Only when your programmers get seasoned and begin to
leverage the UV nuances do you need to worry with that.  If you can
navigate one MV database, you can navigate them all.

If you want to see something about the [sometimes spicey] history of the
MV model, go to:
http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/familytree.html  BTW - [in somewhat
hushed tone] this all started as something called Pick but everyone
around here prefers to speak of either Multi-value industry or the U2
(standing for UniData and UniVerse, both now owned by IBM but have
divergent genealogy).  Pick is now D3 and well   let some other
folks check in now.

Hope you have fun.  MV is a blast.

R. Baker Hughes
UniVerse Programming
Mouser Electronics, Inc.


I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution 
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about 
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Walter Vaughan
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread phil walker
Try the IBM knowledgebase

Sorry I couldn't resist ;-)

Walter, you could try http://u2ug.org as a good place to start, there
are quite a few knowledgeable people on this list as you may or may not
know and people are generally willing to help. I assume as you are
buying a package, that you will not have to define a table, insert a
record, etc. The main thing you may want to do is to be able to explore
the data in the application database and possibly display is using a web
browser or the like. There are a couple of people on this list who could
probably point you in the UV technologies to accomplish this.

Good luck,

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:01 p.m.
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM
vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal
staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl...
yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or
any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing
together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you
get started with a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and
have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a
database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving
data from a record, and applying business logic to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them
excited about this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 1/31/06, Walter Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
 programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would
 learn it today.

 I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution
 for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about
 this platform I need to let them experiment.

I'm not aware of any introductory material... you just have to dive in. :)

Have them install the Personal Edition on their development
workstations, then go through the library of PDFs.

 * http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/search.jsp?go=yrs=u2trials
 * http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/library/100univ/univ_101.html

It goes without saying that they should be subscribed to u2-users!

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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Brenda Price
Try jes.com for Jonathan Sisk's books.  Our newbies have used that book
and others as a reference for learning.  Both came from RPG programming
to UniVerse.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:34 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM
vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens 
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience 
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing
together of 
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google 
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started with 
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server
running, 
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table,
inserting 
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business
logic 
to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would 
learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution 
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about 
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Steve Moore
Try here:  http://www.osda.org/

They have links to a lot of resources (and members) scattered all around
the US and some out of the US ones too.

HTH,

Steve



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Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too


We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM
vertical
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing
together
of
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started
with
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server
running,
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table,
inserting
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business
logic
to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would
learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Jerry Banker
You can look into getting documents and training materials from Malcolm Bull 
at:


http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/

or John Sisk at:

http://www.jes.com

or documentation and training at IBM or Rainingdata's web sites.

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/library/

http://www.rainingdata.com/education/index.html

and the Users group site at:

http://www.u2ug.org/


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From: Walter Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too


We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has 
dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have 
no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any 
MultiValued/Pick DBMS.


The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing 
together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.


HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every 
google term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get 
started with a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have 
the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, 
defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a 
record, and applying business logic to fields.


Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you 
would learn it today.


I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this 
solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them 
excited about this platform I need to let them experiment.


Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Al DeWitt
I went to a classes offered by my vendor.  There are no UniVerse for
Dummies books, but there are some really knowledgeable consultants out
there.  Ask your vendor for some names.  Bring him/her in for a couple
of days' introduction.  Then let your people play for a month.  Then
bring the consultant back for a week of solid level 1, level 2 training.

I think that, along with all the help and advice you will get from the
kind folks here will get your people through.

My $.02 worth of advice.

Al DeWitt
Stylmark, Inc.
763-574-8705

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:34 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM
vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens 
of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience 
among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing
together of 
a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google 
term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started with 
a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server
running, 
but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table,
inserting 
data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business
logic 
to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would 
learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution 
for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about 
this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Bruce Nichol

Goo'day, Walter,

At 17:33 31/01/06 -0500, you wrote:

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical 
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has 
dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have 
no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any 
MultiValued/Pick DBMS.


The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing 
together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.


HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every 
google term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get 
started with a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have 
the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, 
defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a 
record, and applying business logic to fields.


Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you 
would learn it today.


I reckon you should enrol you and your people in the classes organised by 
IBM. Get a grounding in the Multi-Value and UniVerse concepts first, 
then look at your application from that grounding and get the provider/VAR 
to add specifics to the knowledge you have already acquired.


You might have caught the posting earlier today:

Folks:
Based on a recent thread about UniVerse 'internals' class availability - I
researched. The class is now named 'UniVerse Theory and Practice'.
It has recently been added to the IBM US class schedule. June 6-9 in
Denver.

Wally Terhune
Manager - U2 Advanced Client Support
IBM Information Management
4700 South Syracuse Street, Denver, CO   80237
Tel:  303.773.7969
Fax: 303.773.5915
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

In point of fact, I'd hazard that's how most of us did it - no matter how 
many years ago it was... It probably wasn't via IBM, though


Alternatively, I think there are still courses available from private 
sources Perhaps somebody can come up with a list or a  local


And, if it's not too soon, welcome to the club



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Regards,

Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURYNSW 2640
Australia

http://www.taloncs.com.au

Tel: +61 (0)411149636
Fax: +61 (0)260232119

If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! 



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RE: [U2] Newbies Need Love Too

2006-01-31 Thread Brutzman, Bill
I was in a similar situation eight years ago.  At a show, I spoke with an
expert from Ardent, who made convincing arguments that U2 is a first-rate
platform and especially well suited to MRP applications.  At the time, we
were also considering mainstream SQL solutions and the Progress database.

The IBM U2 website has the complete list of documentation available for the
products.  Note that some of these books (like Java) may only be listed
under UniData although these books there also apply equally to UniVerse.

For both newbies and experienced users, the book that I have recommended
many times on this forum is The Pick Programming Language, BASIC, by
Malcolm Bull, Chapman  Hall Computing, (c) 1994.  This book is well worth
having.
I like the Dummies books.  While this book was written before the Dummies
era began, it is well-organized and easy to read.

Professional U2 education is available from IBM, www.Epicor.com, and others.

I have found that participants on this u2ug list have unparalleled
enthusiasm for U2 products.

This u2ug list is an outstanding resource for help for both newbies and
mavens.  Please do not take my word for it; try it out.  Post away.

Feel free to call me to discuss further...

Regards,

Bill Brutzman
Manager, IT
HK MetalCraft Mfg Corp
PO Box 775
35 Industrial Road
Lodi  NJ  07644

973.471.7770 x145 .voice
973.471.9666  .fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


*

We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical
solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has
dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no
experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any
MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together
of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

HOWEVER.

What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every
google term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get
started with a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have
the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database,
defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a
record, and applying business logic to fields.

Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you
would learn it today.

I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them
excited about this platform I need to let them experiment.

Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Bob Little

Walter Vaughan wrote:



Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his 
programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how 
you would learn it today.


I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this 
solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get 
them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment.


Any website pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Walter Vaughan
Vice President
Steele Rubber Products, Inc.


In addition to the excellent links already mentioned - the 
comp.databases.pick newsgroup is also a good resource for help - 
although this and the u2-community mailing list are more U2 specific.
The good news is that all of these groups are very friendly, very 
professional and very willing to help. 


I myself am a U2 newcomer, and have received excellent advice here.

As a side note, I'm really encouraged to hear that you have a couple of 
20-somethings who are willing and able to get into MV!


Good Luck

Bob Little
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Ray Wurlod
As someone who teaches them regularly, I'd recommend the IBM official 
classes.  The UV900 (UniVerse Essentials) class is designed for newbies, who 
can then stream into UV903 (UniVerse Database Programming) or UV904 
(Administering UniVerse).  Sure there are others but these three (a) are 
scheduled - and run - on a regular basis and (b) will give your people a good 
grounding.

Hound your sales rep for a good price for on-site training - you need only four 
or five students to make break-even even at published rates, and can arrange 
times to suit yourselves.
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Anthony Dzikiewicz
You will probably find that it really isnt difficult to learn.  I moved
into my current job 12 years ago with absolutely no experience with
Universe (actually it was PI/Open and then we moved to Universe).  I
learned it by just reading, playing on a test account, reading source
code, and just getting thrown into the hot seat.  I had about 10 yrs
previous experience on other systems and databases before Universe.
That makes it easier.  You find that you are really doing the same thing
using different commands.  Once you are settled with things, you will
find that Universe doesnt need a lot of baby sitting.

The people on this list are a great help.  There is lots of experience
here and people are always glad to help.  Dont be afraid to ask
questions.  

Anthony


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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
On 1/31/06, Walter Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical
 solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has 
 dozens
 of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no 
 experience
 among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS.

 The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together 
 of
 a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with.

 HOWEVER.

 What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every 
 google
 term I could think of to come up with a simple This is how you get started 
 with
 a UniVerse. I have installed the personal editions and have the server 
 running,
 but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, 
 inserting
 data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic
 to fields.

 Is there not a UniVerse for Dummies website? Our sales rep asked his
 programmer and he said, I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would
 learn it today.

Hi Walter -- this might not get as deep as you need, but it is a place to start.

http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/trilogy.html
It is a set of flashcards turned into web presentations (the
javascript isn't quite right yet, so be sure to go through all three
sets, perhaps returning to this url for each one).  The first one is
an Overview of MultiValue, the second is about MultiValue Data and the
third is about the command environment.  After these, take a look at
either documentation on the U2 web site or possibly at
http://jes.com/pb/index.html to get an overview of DataBASIC before
diving in.


 I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution
 for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about
 this platform I need to let them experiment.

 Any website pointers will be appreciated.

You and/or your programmers might also enjoy my blog.  You could start with

http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings/2006/01/is-codd-dead.html

and work forward.  Enjoy.  --dawn

--
Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com

Take and give some delight today!
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Ross Ferris
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As a side note, I'm really encouraged to hear that you have a couple of
20-somethings who are willing and able to get into MV!

Good Luck

Bob Little
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Bob,

Given this comment, you may be interested to know that we just started 2 new 21 
year old graduates last week.

They were producing their first multi-valued GUI programs (that IS a plural) by 
the end of the first day, and were producing nicely formatted reports by the 
second.

OK, so we cheated because they are using our Visage environment, but by 
giving the young ones visual tools that they are familiar with, then you 
can easily generate enthusiasm for the UV/multi-value environment (especially 
when they compared development with the tools they had used  studied at 
university)

(BTW, my 11 year old son can also develop applications with Visage ... anyone 
looking for a system to track Poke Mtn  Yu-Gi-Oh cards?)
 
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage  Better by Design!
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Re: [U2] Newbies need love too

2006-01-31 Thread Results
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