Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
If the universe server is on windows XP (or windows 2000/nt or I think windows server 2003) you can use services.msc to allow the universe telnet server service access to the desktop (there's a checkbox in the log in tab). Of course that's only useful if you're a desktop user on the server (remote desktop counts as well). But beginning with windows vista, services are no longer allowed interaction with the user desktop at all (under some circumstances windows will tell the desktop user that there's a program trying to talk to them, and acknowledging that will open a virtual desktop with the program in it, but otherwise the program does hang in limbo). I think that change bit a lot of people (and is still waiting to bite some people who are still using XP). There are workarounds. For example, you can use Accuterm's scripting which allows the server to send a control string telling Accuterm to run a program on the user's desktop. Or you can have a listening program running on your desktop, and the server can connect to it and tell it to open desktop windows. On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Wjhonson wrote: Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch nything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment s LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can nd-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In heory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to rovide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires indow mode. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 3:57 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h wow. rm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not ctually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the erver (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot f processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was equested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was etting errors that files were still in use and so on. Original Message- rom: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command eah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI mmands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, ut they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would igure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 1 V 2 cmd.exe 3 U 4 TICERGM 7 /Q he U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted o you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin nstalled you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. is is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in e console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run TEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running mewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. f you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a ssage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he oc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's hapter on this in the system description manual). n Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command ecutable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
If you're doing FTP, you probably want the -n option on the ftp (no prompt for login) and then use the user ftp command. We'll build a script for the ftp session and then call it as ftp -n scriptname Inside of scriptname you'll have something along the line of: open host user name password cd /remote_dir lcd /local_destination_directory put (or get) filename close Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com 2/15/2012 6:21 PM Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch nything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment s LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can nd-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In heory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to rovide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires indow mode. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 3:57 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h wow. rm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not ctually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the erver (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot f processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was equested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was etting errors that files were still in use and so on. Original Message- rom: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command eah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI mmands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, ut they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would igure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 1 V 2 cmd.exe 3 U 4 TICERGM 7 /Q he U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted o you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin nstalled you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. is is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in e console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run TEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running mewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. f you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a ssage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he oc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's hapter on this in the system description manual). n Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command ecutable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Ed Clark wrote: If the universe server is on windows XP (or windows 2000/nt or I think windows server 2003) you can use services.msc to allow the universe telnet server service access to the desktop (there's a checkbox in the log in tab). Of course that's only useful if you're a desktop user on the server (remote desktop counts as well). But beginning with windows vista, services are no longer allowed interaction with the user desktop at all ... In Windows 7, in the Services applet, if you select a service, right-click select Properties, and go to the Logon tab, there is a checkbox for Allow service to interact with desktop. I am curious whether checking this makes any difference in the issues being described here. Regards, Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
I suspect my issue was not this, more related to the server not letting my process access the internet. I also tried to run a perl program that was compiled to open an ftp connection and download test data, And that process hung as well. Which is what made me think the server popped up a prompt to allow/deny The process from accessing the internet (and of course, no one is at the server during the night). -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:40 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command If you're doing FTP, you probably want the -n option on the ftp (no prompt for login) and then use the user ftp command. We'll build a script for the ftp session and then call it as ftp -n scriptname Inside of scriptname you'll have something along the line of: open host user name password cd /remote_dir lcd /local_destination_directory put (or get) filename close Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com 2/15/2012 6:21 PM Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch nything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment s LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can nd-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In heory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to rovide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires indow mode. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 3:57 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h wow. rm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not ctually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the erver (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot f processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was equested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was etting errors that files were still in use and so on. Original Message- rom: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command eah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI mmands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, ut they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would igure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 1 V 2 cmd.exe 3 U 4 TICERGM 7 /Q he U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted o you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin nstalled you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. is is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in e console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run TEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running mewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. f you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a ssage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he oc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's hapter
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
Probably so from what you were describing... I was speaking to the expecting input causing it not to close. The ftp client on the version of Windows and 'nix'es I've used immediately prompt for username and password at the open command. The -n stops it from doing that, then you can use user (name) (password) to login. I've also seen credentials in the hostname, but I'm not sure that every ftp client will use that. I've had good results with the -n and user command combination. Robert George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com 2/16/2012 8:44 AM I suspect my issue was not this, more related to the server not letting my process access the internet. I also tried to run a perl program that was compiled to open an ftp connection and download test data, And that process hung as well. Which is what made me think the server popped up a prompt to allow/deny The process from accessing the internet (and of course, no one is at the server during the night). -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:40 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command If you're doing FTP, you probably want the -n option on the ftp (no prompt for login) and then use the user ftp command. We'll build a script for the ftp session and then call it as ftp -n scriptname Inside of scriptname you'll have something along the line of: open host user name password cd /remote_dir lcd /local_destination_directory put (or get) filename close Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com 2/15/2012 6:21 PM Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch nything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment s LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can nd-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In heory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to rovide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires indow mode. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 3:57 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h wow. rm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not ctually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the erver (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot f processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was equested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was etting errors that files were still in use and so on. Original Message- rom: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command eah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI mmands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, ut they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would igure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 1 V 2 cmd.exe 3 U 4 TICERGM 7 /Q he U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted o you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin nstalled you could run the cygwin shell instead
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
I believe I tried the -n and inputfile method first, and that kept hanging as well, So I went with the PERL method; which didn't help either. I logged into a PC using logmein over the internet, then from that PC I logged into UV (on an NT server) using Wintergate and then once logged In, I did the DOS command to get to dos, and tried to use ftp from there. The strange part was that the ftp process hung as well, the next day, they needed to reboot the UV NT server because Wintergate wouldn't Let anyone log onto the server as well. So, there a bunch of potential culprits hereNo one mentioned that it as asking for a deny/allow on the server either, so I really don't know. My workaround by having the PC do the ftp and dropping it into a folder that the UV server had access to worked, so I never looked into it further. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:07 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Probably so from what you were describing... I was speaking to the expecting input causing it not to close. The ftp client on the version of Windows and 'nix'es I've used immediately prompt for username and password at the open command. The -n stops it from doing that, then you can use user (name) (password) to login. I've also seen credentials in the hostname, but I'm not sure that every ftp client will use that. I've had good results with the -n and user command combination. Robert George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com 2/16/2012 8:44 AM I suspect my issue was not this, more related to the server not letting my process access the internet. I also tried to run a perl program that was compiled to open an ftp connection and download test data, And that process hung as well. Which is what made me think the server popped up a prompt to allow/deny The process from accessing the internet (and of course, no one is at the server during the night). ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
You can also use the -s option to have the FTP command read from a script file. Personally I found it easier to use cURL for Windows when doing any kind of file transfer from a Universe environment on Windows/DOS. Robert Porter wrote: If you're doing FTP, you probably want the -n option on the ftp (no prompt for login) and then use the user ftp command. We'll build a script for the ftp session and then call it as ftp -n scriptname Inside of scriptname you'll have something along the line of: open host user name password cd /remote_dir lcd /local_destination_directory put (or get) filename close Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com 2/15/2012 6:21 PM Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch nything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment s LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can nd-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In heory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to rovide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires indow mode. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 3:57 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h wow. rm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not ctually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the erver (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot f processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was equested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was etting errors that files were still in use and so on. Original Message- rom: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command eah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI mmands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, ut they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would igure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 1 V 2 cmd.exe 3 U 4 TICERGM 7 /Q he U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted o you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin nstalled you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. is is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in e console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run TEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running mewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. f you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a ssage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he oc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's hapter on this in the system description manual). n Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command ecutable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
It was a 32 bit NT server. Also my perl program hung as well. I compiled it with perl2exe, so I don't know if the perl module has the same issue. It would connect, but it hung on the transfer, it was strange. From: John Jenkins [mailto:u2g...@btopenworld.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:42 AM To: U2 Users List Cc: George Gallen Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command If you are on 64-bit Windows or Windows 2008 there are some gotchas that can make FTP hang - in part as UniVerse is a 32-bit shell. The Microsoft FTP client interacts directly with the keyboard buffer, and as a result can only be run reliably from a console type executable shell - a shell which has a Windows keyboard device. Scripting is possible however using batch command files (3rd party FTP clients may not suffer from the same limitation). I recommend using the -s option such as ftp -s script | servername with a command text file or VBScript to drive FTP with from a text command file - if you are using 64-bit Windows make sure that you run the VBScript engine in SysWow64 - not the default engine in System32. Hope this helps. JayJay mailto:u2g...@btinternet.com From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.commailto:ggal...@wyanokegroup.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.orgmailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012, 15:12 Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command I believe I tried the -n and inputfile method first, and that kept hanging as well, So I went with the PERL method; which didn't help either. I logged into a PC using logmein over the internet, then from that PC I logged into UV (on an NT server) using Wintergate and then once logged In, I did the DOS command to get to dos, and tried to use ftp from there. The strange part was that the ftp process hung as well, the next day, they needed to reboot the UV NT server because Wintergate wouldn't Let anyone log onto the server as well. So, there a bunch of potential culprits hereNo one mentioned that it as asking for a deny/allow on the server either, so I really don't know. My workaround by having the PC do the ftp and dropping it into a folder that the UV server had access to worked, so I never looked into it further. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
I wondered about that too and googled around. Simple answer: Services can have access to a desktop, but it isn't the same as any user's desktop. Apparently there are some things that a process can do that require a desktop that nobody needs to see. SQL server uses this for task synchronization. So that's why that flag is still there. On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Bob Rasmussen wrote: On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Ed Clark wrote: If the universe server is on windows XP (or windows 2000/nt or I think windows server 2003) you can use services.msc to allow the universe telnet server service access to the desktop (there's a checkbox in the log in tab). Of course that's only useful if you're a desktop user on the server (remote desktop counts as well). But beginning with windows vista, services are no longer allowed interaction with the user desktop at all ... In Windows 7, in the Services applet, if you select a service, right-click select Properties, and go to the Logon tab, there is a checkbox for Allow service to interact with desktop. I am curious whether checking this makes any difference in the issues being described here. Regards, Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
From: Ed Clark Or you can have a listening program running on your desktop, and the server can connect to it and tell it to open desktop windows. When people ask for a way to invoke PC applications from a browser based on interaction with an MV app, that's exactly how I do it. There can be an issue accessing clients outside of a LAN, so I either have a tray utility poll the server for things to do, or I use a push mechanism that doesn't require a direct socket from server to client. All things are do-able. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Universe's DOS command
The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a bat file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
From DOS/Windows days, which also uses the same /c (argument), I just assumed it meant Command. Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com 2/15/2012 12:27 PM The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a bat file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
An educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command processor (command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. If in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? you can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates Further down the help display, it gives more information. On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a bat file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Regards, Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
The /c is to close the command session when the supplied process/batchfile completes. This returns you back to your originating session of Universe. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:28 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Universe's DOS command The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a bat file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
Oh... My... God Amazing try DOS /C DIR then try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- From: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command An educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor (command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. If in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? ou can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates Further down the help display, it gives more information. On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a at file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Regards, ...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
Ummm ... it's not a UniVerse thing, it's a command prompt thing. Open up a command prompt window, and type cmd /? And you'll see all the options. /c means run the following command, then close the window /k means run the following command, and keep the window open There's a whole list of command options ... Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Oh... My... God Amazing try DOS /C DIR then try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- From: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command An educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor (command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. If in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? ou can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates Further down the help display, it gives more information. On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a at file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Regards, ...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
This one in particular (the /K) is exactly what I need to debug an issue I'm having. A real world issue, in an actual program I'm actually writing at this very moment. (That large remark is for Tony, who I'm sure will eventually jump in here and call me a troll.) -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock lar...@wcs-corp.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 11:05 am Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Ummm ... it's not a UniVerse thing, it's a command prompt thing. Open up a ommand prompt window, and type cmd /? And you'll see all the options. /c means run the following command, then close the window k means run the following command, and keep the window open There's a whole list of command options ... Larry Hiscock estern Computer Services Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify at file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can ake? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users egards, ..Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. ersonal e-mail: r...@anzio.com ompany e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com treet address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I guess the thing is, people just don't learn Windows any more. Because it's so ubiquitous, and so 'just there', they tend to forget (or never learn) that there's a lot of good stuff going on underneath.. I'm just as bad: until recently I'd never used symlinks on Windows (as I've done for years on UNIX).. And most people don't seem to realize that Windows has a very powerful and capable scripting host (and one that works with UniObjects, which is great..) The list goes on.. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: 15 February 2012 19:08 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command This one in particular (the /K) is exactly what I need to debug an issue I'm having. A real world issue, in an actual program I'm actually writing at this very moment. (That large remark is for Tony, who I'm sure will eventually jump in here and call me a troll.) -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock lar...@wcs-corp.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 11:05 am Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Ummm ... it's not a UniVerse thing, it's a command prompt thing. Open up a ommand prompt window, and type cmd /? And you'll see all the options. /c means run the following command, then close the window k means run the following command, and keep the window open There's a whole list of command options ... Larry Hiscock estern Computer Services Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify at file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can ake? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users egards, ..Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. ersonal e-mail: r...@anzio.com ompany e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com treet address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: February-15-12 11:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Oh... My... God Amazing try DOS /C DIR then try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- From: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command An educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor (command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. If in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? ou can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates Further down the help display, it gives more information. On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a at file like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Regards, ...Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command executable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a at ile like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users egards, ..Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. ersonal e-mail: r...@anzio.com ompany e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com treet address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA __ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
I Tried doing the same with UV/Unix (except with the SH command). Sh -c 'ls' gives me directory Sh -k 'ls' gives a strange error: /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file I don't have a DOS box to test DOS on, so what happened when you did DOS /K...? George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:09 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command executable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
The /k option is used to run a command (like a batch file) and keep the command shell around for more commands. The only difference to the /c option is that it does not immediately close after running your command. *nix doesn't have a /k option (but might have a different one). I suspect Universe doesn't document it because what that CMD prompt can do is dependent on the version of DOS/Windows you are running. They pass off to the O/S cmd.exe executable and it's up to that to determine what it does. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: February-15-12 1:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command I Tried doing the same with UV/Unix (except with the SH command). Sh -c 'ls' gives me directory Sh -k 'ls' gives a strange error: /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file I don't have a DOS box to test DOS on, so what happened when you did DOS /K...? George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:09 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command executable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
OK, so it looks like it's just pushing to unix what is on the command line, and So the -c is an option to the sh command. I'll have to look into this now as well As to whether any of the options are of any use, other than -c George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Houben Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command The /k option is used to run a command (like a batch file) and keep the command shell around for more commands. The only difference to the /c option is that it does not immediately close after running your command. *nix doesn't have a /k option (but might have a different one). I suspect Universe doesn't document it because what that CMD prompt can do is dependent on the version of DOS/Windows you are running. They pass off to the O/S cmd.exe executable and it's up to that to determine what it does. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: February-15-12 1:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command I Tried doing the same with UV/Unix (except with the SH command). Sh -c 'ls' gives me directory Sh -k 'ls' gives a strange error: /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file I don't have a DOS box to test DOS on, so what happened when you did DOS /K...? George ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
Note that in Unix/Linux, the options available may depend on what shell you're running (sh, bash, etc.). On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, George Gallen wrote: OK, so it looks like it's just pushing to unix what is on the command line, and So the -c is an option to the sh command. I'll have to look into this now as well As to whether any of the options are of any use, other than -c George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Houben Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command The /k option is used to run a command (like a batch file) and keep the command shell around for more commands. The only difference to the /c option is that it does not immediately close after running your command. *nix doesn't have a /k option (but might have a different one). I suspect Universe doesn't document it because what that CMD prompt can do is dependent on the version of DOS/Windows you are running. They pass off to the O/S cmd.exe executable and it's up to that to determine what it does. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: February-15-12 1:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command I Tried doing the same with UV/Unix (except with the SH command). Sh -c 'ls' gives me directory Sh -k 'ls' gives a strange error: /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file I don't have a DOS box to test DOS on, so what happened when you did DOS /K...? George ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Regards, Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
yeah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI commands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those commands, but they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed you would figure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 001 V 002 cmd.exe 003 U 004 TICERGM 007 /Q The U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an os command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you wanted to you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have cygwin installed you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. This is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in the console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run NOTEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running somewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. If you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a message telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of the voc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's a chapter on this in the system description manual). On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command executable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a at ile like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users egards, ..Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. ersonal e-mail: r...@anzio.com ompany e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com treet address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA __ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
Oh wow. Urm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not actually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the server (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot of processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was requested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was getting errors that files were still in use and so on. -Original Message- From: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command yeah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI ommands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, but they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would figure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 01 V 02 cmd.exe 03 U 04 TICERGM 07 /Q The U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an s command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted to you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin installed you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. his is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in he console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run OTEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running omewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. If you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a essage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he voc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's chapter on this in the system description manual). On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command xecutable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a t ile like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users egards, ..Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. ersonal e-mail: r...@anzio.com ompany e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com treet address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA __ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch anything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment as LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can end-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In theory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to provide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires window mode. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: February-15-12 3:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Oh wow. Urm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not actually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the server (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot of processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was requested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was getting errors that files were still in use and so on. -Original Message- From: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command yeah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI ommands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, but they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would figure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 01 V 02 cmd.exe 03 U 04 TICERGM 07 /Q The U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an s command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted to you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin installed you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. his is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in he console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run OTEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running omewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. If you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a essage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he voc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's chapter on this in the system description manual). On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command xecutable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor command.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a t ile like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z or \x that it can take? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users egards, ..Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. ersonal e-mail: r...@anzio.com ompany e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com treet address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command It depends... You are in DOS mode (as opposed to window mode). If you launch nything that requires a graphical environment, it will launch that environment s LocalSystem or something equivalent and you'll have a problem (you can nd-task in task-manager - you've probably already figured that out). In heory, you can execute just cmd.exe (with no /c option) and you will be able to rovide it input through the keyboard. You just can't do anything that requires indow mode. -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 3:57 PM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h wow. rm So any command that requires input will hang, I got that, because it's not ctually opening an interactive session with *your process* but rather with the erver (or thereabouts). So I just connected to the server and checked Task Manager and there are a lot f processes with my name on them from failed attempts where some input was equested. Which also tells me why files weren't closing and updating, and why I was etting errors that files were still in use and so on. Original Message- rom: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:35 pm ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command eah, they left that out. If you look at the docs for the SH. CSH, and VI mmands, they suggest that you look at the unix documentation on those ommands, ut they don't mention it in the manual for DOS. Maybe they assumed ou would igure that out by looking at the VOC entry: DOS 1 V 2 cmd.exe 3 U 4 TICERGM 7 /Q he U on line 3 of the VOC means that running the verb will execute line 2 as an command and pass the rest of the command line to the os command. If you anted o you could create your own verbs like this, for example if you have ygwin nstalled you could run the cygwin shell instead of the cmd.exe shell. is is more useful on unix than on windows, because the command needs to run in e console and not try to open desktop windows. If, for example, you try to run TEPAD.EXE like this, your terminal will hang because notepad is running mewhere in a virtual desktop that you can't get to. f you try to use the SH verb on windows, or the DOS verb on unix, you get a ssage telling you the command doesn't work on your OS. The E on line 4 of he oc controls this. Verbs with an E run on windows but not on unix. (There's hapter on this in the system description manual). n Feb 15, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I mean they are not document in the Universe manuals for the DOS command ecutable at TCL. You only get the /c It doesn't even tell you where to go to get more information. Like There are other options, go to Dos and type cmd /? -Original Message- From: Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command They actually do document these. Go to a command prompt and type: cmd /? Or help cmd (Both produce the same output) Enjoy! -Original Message- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] n Behalf Of Wjhonson ent: February-15-12 11:00 AM o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command h... My... God mazing try DOS /C DIR hen try DOS /K DIR how come they don't document this and we have to make guesses? -Original Message- rom: Bob Rasmussen r...@anzio.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:38 am ubject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command n educated guess would be that the DOS command invokes the command rocessor ommand.com in long-ago Windows, cmd.exe now) and passes the \c (or is it /c?) to it. f in Windows you open a CMD prompt, and type cmd /? u can see what options it accepts. My output includes: /C Carries out the command specified by string and then terminates urther down the help display, it gives more information. n Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Wjhonson wrote: The DOS command in Universe takes a /c argument and then you can specify a t le like DOS \c test.bat What does \c mean? Are there other arguments like \z r \x that it can take
Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command
I had that same problem with FTP, but I was remote into the server at the time. I figured the process hung, because it triggered one of those program xxx wants to access the internet messages, and was waiting for an operator to Allow or Deny it. Drove me nuts, I gave up trying to run an ftp session on UV on NT, when I accessing it via wintergate from a PC. Instead I had the PC do the ftp session, wrote/read the files from a common folder that the UV server had access to. But now that you bring it up.maybe this was the culprit. George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division ggal...@wyanokegroup.com ph:856.848.9005 Ext 220 The Wyanoke Group http://www.wyanokegroup.com From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson [wjhon...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Universe's DOS command Thanks. What I was saying was that *if* you DOS /c cmd And that cmd requires input, a task will be created that never dies, evidently. Or perhaps it was because the cmd I was trying to use was ftp perhaps that's the culprit that creates the undead task. Once I killed all the jobs in the Windows Task Manager, the Universe jobs died on their own. Before I did that, you could not kill those jobs even in UniAdmin. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
