one to the other
is a tad
time-consuming.
Basically, without the list I'm left high and dry.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak
Sent: 29 March 2004 06:23
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Lee Leitner
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue
Go to the web site, and enter each forum you
Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't
live in the
land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic,
we have
employment contracts that forbid us from internet access
during
experience, and it's just easy. And the ads haven't gotten too
heinous (yet).
--Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.PrecisOnline.com
/snip
-Original Message-
From: Anthony Youngman
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Sent: 30/03/04 05:19
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
What do we do? It looks
, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't
live in the
land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic,
we have
employment contracts that forbid us from internet
apart from the fact that we see it as our mutual
self-interest to work together.
Cheers,
Wol
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mark Johnson
Sent: 30 March 2004 14:06
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
Perhaps
IBM can cause a change to accomodate the high level of service the
oliver list provided.
my 1 cent.
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Listen
- Original Message -
From: Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users.
[snip]
Cheers,
Wol
If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening
or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum
idea. It
, and neither IBM nor u2ug.
Cheers,
Wol
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ron White
Sent: 30 March 2004 16:14
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
- Original Message -
From: Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip
There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening
it out:
1. The U2 lists have been run by Clif Oliver for a very long time. Clif has
no direct ties to IBM or any of the companies who owned the U2 products
before hand.
2. Clif has been running the lists on his own time;
Dennis Bartlett wrote:
All that subscribing to a forum will do for you is that
you'll get an email telling you that someone has replied
to something on the forum.
The email will NOT contain the posting, nor any reference
short of the subject line to the previous post.
In short, all
Cc:
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening
it out:
snip
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This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information
LOL - Ron - where were you while they were BEGGING for people to become
members and attend conference call meetings to decide how to set up the
user's group and forum area? It was MONTHS ago that they asked for input,
but probably got just enough to realize they'd have to wing it...
And in
Wo... Lighten up, please. We're all trying to figure this out. And its
not too late to start helping out. After tomorrow's meeting of the U2UG
board (an all-volunteer board, so far; we haven't gotten around to having
elections yet), we may be able to put forward some ideas as to where we're
David,
Don't put 'volunteer' in the past tense. We will be looking for SIG
leaders soon, we will be looking for forum moderators soon, and we will
be transitioning to an elected board. There's always work for more hands
in an organization of this type. If IBM keeps growing the U2 market (and
Good point!! I currently sit on a Volunteer Board (Treasurer no less) - and
as anyone who does this will likely attest - there is nothing like working
on a volunteer Board to make you fear for (or despise g) humanity in
general! The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out what we
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing?
Please don't start insulting me you ignorant fat slob.
Will
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
6. The U2UG web site has U2 fora as the means of communication, something
which people have been asking for for a long time. The decision to start the
fora was made when the lists were also available so
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing
Your not just going to lay there and take that are you?
Scott Stir the pot Thompson
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing?
Please don't start insulting
Don't forget the 80/20 rule. 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the
people.
Eugene
- Original Message -
From: David Wolverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Good point!! I
Oh, my. When I misread a situation, I do a bang up job of it, don't I? It
was never my intent to throw the community into such an uproar. I still
intend to quit being the list host and moderator. But it appears that not
only is U2UG not sure how/if/when they could take on the load, but I
didn't
Just let me be the first to say - YEA!!!
Thanks for the last minute reprieve, Gover... er, Clif.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:43 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE
Great news!
Thanks again Cliff
Cheers
Trevor Ockenden
OSP
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Dennis Bartlett agrees that:
Dennis Bartlett wrote:
All that subscribing to a forum
And that
Dennis Bartlett was obviously smoking out of some BEEG pot
resulting in the fact that
Dennis Bartlett
is truly soree
errr..
oops
--
u2-users
Clif,
Like others I've selfishly used your lists for my gain,
without thinking of the work involved.
Like others,I've learnt so much,
and probably given so little.
Like others, I've flamed, been flamed,
and duly reprimanded in such a loving way :)
Like others, I've been
So there Will Johnson
Ha Will! So nice to see you're wearing a new style...
Must say it really suits you...
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Cliff,
We whose lists are about to die, salute you.
It's been a great service - you should be held up as a shining example to
moderators everywhere in promoting the best blend of discussion, humour and
debate amongst a very informative list.
More than that, you have made us all into a (not
British Humour in the morning ain't it great?
Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/04 05:36AM
Cliff,
We whose lists are about to die, salute you.
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..Yes I'll see you, I'll see you on the other side...
- Ozzy Osbourne
-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:36 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Cliff,
We whose lists are about to die, salute
Ye'll tak the high road and I'll tak the low road ...
Cheers,
Wol
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Burwell, Edward
Sent: 29 March 2004 15:35
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
..Yes I'll see you, I'll see
: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:35 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
..Yes I'll see you, I'll see you on the other side...
- Ozzy Osbourne
-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:36 AM
To: 'U2 Users
I have a simple-minded idea that may increase the value of the U2UG website
and prevent us from loosing the huge amount of already accumulated
knowledge that resides in this list. Would it be possible to transfer the
posts to the list tothe website? I know that there may be some legal
Or maybe there could be a way for us to download them in a zipped format? Probably
too much data though huh? BTW, I too want to pay my respects to Clif for hosting the
list. I have learned so much just by reading through other peoples
problems/experiences and by the direct responses to my
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's) would remain
for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com. But I don't yet see a way to go
forward on our site archiving the IBM web content so they'd be static. We
do plan real soon now to add other content.
Is there a general opinion that
I would argue that the lists should continue. With some employers offering
e-mail, but not web-access to their employees, those employees would be
able to contribute to an e-mail list, but not a forum.
Steve Wagner
At 11:02 AM 3/29/04 -0500, you wrote:
The archives for the lists (which go
Conversation: The lists are closing
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Lee Leitner wrote:
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's)
would remain for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com.
Is there a general opinion that the email lists should
continue? How can we avoid
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak
Posted At: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:23 AM
Posted To: Informix-mv
Conversation: The lists are closing
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Lee Leitner wrote:
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's)
would remain for now at http
1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue
Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE
this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do
2:03 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue
Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click
by only very
occasionally, or when I'm in need of help.
My $NZ0.02
Mike
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lee Leitner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 04:03
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
[snip
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 March 2004 20:54
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
Could you explain what you are referring to more clearly?
In a message dated 3/29/2004 2:09:37 PM
Dear Friends:
After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the info-prime,
info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc lists, I have
decided to shut down the list server.
Congratulations Clif for a fantastic job well done!
I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come
for viruses or anything similar in this
email or any attachment
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Best of luck Jeff
Thanks Clif for providing the forum for the years.
My only concern is that while it has been great for UV/UD questions, I have
also received good advice about D3 and even hooked up with someone regarding
an old copy of AP-Pro. Thus, would/could there be an 'all other MV' forum
such that I could
Ah -- it's good to see that the noble art of April Foolery is not dead!
I'm not sure whether this was really from Clif, though, or someone spoofing
him.
Matti
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: 27 March 2004 08:14
To: U2 Users
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chuckle Oops. Maybe I should have chosen a different date. Yes Matti.
It is really me. (Message digitally signed, if you want to check.) And
no. It is not an April Fool joke.
Check out u2ug.org. Kevin has done a great job on the website. Not only
are
Clif,
Your work here, even if it is carried over perfectly there, will be
missed. We have all benefited from your light hand on the tiller. These
sort of lists often die of neglect or of tyranny. You steered us clear
of both and instead created a vibrant and live place where people could
Clif,
Ditto my comments on the DataStage list. It will be interesting to see if
your efforts can be emulated on these other vehicles.
Phil
Phil Walker
+64 21 336294
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
infocusp limited
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Thanks
- Original Message -
From: Results
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
Clif,
Your work here, even if it is carried over perfectly there, will be
missed. We have all benefited from your
Thanks for the community effort Clif!
Tony
Dear Friends:
After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the info-prime,
info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc
lists, I have decided to shut down the list server.
I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come over the the
Careful, Dan. There is still time to nail your feet to the perch. :-)
Dan Fitzgerald wrote:
So is it an ex-list, or is it just pinin' for the fjords?
}:)
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