RE: UV on Itanium
Or go for a new IBM servr running on Power G5. There was an interesting article on the Inquirer or the Register (can't remember which) asking whether the purpose of Itanium has been achieved, and whether it is likely to be ditched in the near future. The gist of it, basically, was that the Alpha and R4000 (and other similar chips) seriously outclassed Intel. So by bringing a 64-bit chip to market, Intel has pretty much hampered the market, killed Alpha and mips, and seriously crippled Sparc. Their two threats in the 64-bit space are now primarily the AMD Opteron, and the IBM G5. There's not a lot they can do about IBM, but their top-end Xeons or whatever have actually been 64-bit capable for quite a while now. So by delaying 64-bit x86, Intel now have more to lose than to gain. They also won't want competition between Itanium and x86-64. So guess what - Itanium will be reclassified as a research product and scrapped. Add in the fact that AMD is apparently selling more Opterons a quarter than Intel has ever sold in total, and Opteron really does look like the iceberg that sank the Itanic (as Itanium is irreverently called :-) While I don't doubt we'll never see it happen, if we had fair competition between chips, the Itanic would already have sunk without trace. It *still* can't compete effectively with old EV7 alphas, and the new Power will flatten it. Sparc should flatten it too, but the realities of the world mean that Sparc cheetah has already been flattened between the elephants of IBM and Intel :-( Maybe linux will, once more, succeed in decoupling software from hardware and lead to true competition in the hardware market ... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hester Sent: 09 March 2004 21:09 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: UV on Itanium Glenn Herbert wrote: So does this mean it's still a 32-bit app that now runs on RH itanium? Or does this mean its a real 64-bit app At 03:17 PM 03/09/2004, you wrote: I'm sure UV is still a 32-bit app. I doubt there's currently enough interest in a 64-bit version of UV for IBM to invest the money in porting it. Performance of 32-bit apps was notoriously bad on Itanium until Intel and Microsoft released a new 32-bit driver in January. Of course this only helps with 32-bit Windows apps. I would hope they're working on a similar fix for linux. It didn't occur to me before, but I guess you could also run UV 10.1 on Windows Server 2003 on Itanium. Personally I'd wait to see if Intel comes up with a 32-bit Itanium driver enhancement for linux, or consider Opteron or Intel's new 64-bit version of Xeon as has already been suggested. -John -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UV on Itanium
If my memory serves me correct, Intel eventually had to get alpha intellectual property to get Intel 64 off the ground. And the guy behind AMD 64 was one of the architects of alpha. I had to chuckle after attending an HP session about converting from 32bit to 64bit Intel platforms, it was the same process as done with Alpha 10 years ago. David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 9:32 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: UV on Itanium Or go for a new IBM servr running on Power G5. There was an interesting article on the Inquirer or the Register (can't remember which) asking whether the purpose of Itanium has been achieved, and whether it is likely to be ditched in the near future. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
UV on Itanium
We need to buy a new server. Perhaps we should chill for a few months... I gather that HP-Ux runs on Itanium now. What is IBM's timetable for rolling out Itanium servers with AIX? When is UV targeted to run on Itanium? --Bill -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV on Itanium
Brutzman, Bill wrote: We need to buy a new server. Perhaps we should chill for a few months... I gather that HP-Ux runs on Itanium now. What is IBM's timetable for rolling out Itanium servers with AIX? When is UV targeted to run on Itanium? --Bill I beleive you can run UV on Itanium now if you go the linux route. UV 10.1 has been ported to RedHat EL 3.0 which has been ported to Itanium. -John -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV on Itanium
So does this mean it's still a 32-bit app that now runs on RH itanium? Or does this mean its a real 64-bit app At 03:17 PM 03/09/2004, you wrote: Brutzman, Bill wrote: We need to buy a new server. Perhaps we should chill for a few months... I gather that HP-Ux runs on Itanium now. What is IBM's timetable for rolling out Itanium servers with AIX? When is UV targeted to run on Itanium? --Bill I beleive you can run UV on Itanium now if you go the linux route. UV 10.1 has been ported to RedHat EL 3.0 which has been ported to Itanium. -John -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV on Itanium
Glenn Herbert wrote: So does this mean it's still a 32-bit app that now runs on RH itanium? Or does this mean its a real 64-bit app At 03:17 PM 03/09/2004, you wrote: I'm sure UV is still a 32-bit app. I doubt there's currently enough interest in a 64-bit version of UV for IBM to invest the money in porting it. Performance of 32-bit apps was notoriously bad on Itanium until Intel and Microsoft released a new 32-bit driver in January. Of course this only helps with 32-bit Windows apps. I would hope they're working on a similar fix for linux. It didn't occur to me before, but I guess you could also run UV 10.1 on Windows Server 2003 on Itanium. Personally I'd wait to see if Intel comes up with a 32-bit Itanium driver enhancement for linux, or consider Opteron or Intel's new 64-bit version of Xeon as has already been suggested. -John -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV on Itanium
Thanks much for the info. At 04:09 PM 03/09/2004, you wrote: Glenn Herbert wrote: So does this mean it's still a 32-bit app that now runs on RH itanium? Or does this mean its a real 64-bit app At 03:17 PM 03/09/2004, you wrote: I'm sure UV is still a 32-bit app. I doubt there's currently enough interest in a 64-bit version of UV for IBM to invest the money in porting it. Performance of 32-bit apps was notoriously bad on Itanium until Intel and Microsoft released a new 32-bit driver in January. Of course this only helps with 32-bit Windows apps. I would hope they're working on a similar fix for linux. It didn't occur to me before, but I guess you could also run UV 10.1 on Windows Server 2003 on Itanium. Personally I'd wait to see if Intel comes up with a 32-bit Itanium driver enhancement for linux, or consider Opteron or Intel's new 64-bit version of Xeon as has already been suggested. -John -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: UV on Itanium
Glenn: I'm curious. Do you have a 64-bit port of DataStage on Itanium (or any other 64-bit platform) at this time? Thanks Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Technical Services IBM Data Management Solutions Tel: 303.294.4866 Fax: 303.294.4832 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
UNCLASSIFIED RE: UV on Itanium
Bill, In my entirely unqualified opinion, I think IBM would be absolutely mad to spend any time or money on an Itanium port. The Itanic looks sure to be consigned to the trash-heap of history fairly quickly now that Intel have admitted defeat and adopted the AMD64 instruction set. I'd sit tight and wait until there's an Opteron Xeon IA32e 64-bit port. You'll be able to buy Opteron boxes from HP, Sun, IBM and maybe even Dell by the middle of next quarter. BTW, I wonder what's happened to the UV porting effort? There have been very few (none at all for Windows, in fact) new postings to the Product Availability Matrix since before Christmas. ? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 7:44 a.m. To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: UV on Itanium We need to buy a new server. Perhaps we should chill for a few months... I gather that HP-Ux runs on Itanium now. What is IBM's timetable for rolling out Itanium servers with AIX? When is UV targeted to run on Itanium? The information contained in this Internet Email message is intended for the addressee only and may contain privileged information, but not necessarily the official views or opinions of the New Zealand Defence Force. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. If you have received this message in error, please Email or telephone the sender immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
