Re: [Ubuntu] Re: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment
Don't forget the ELGIS people (Redhat et a.) and Angelos for OpenSuse. Should we start a new mailing list for packaging - packag...@osgeo.org? Wiki page for sure with links to each of the platforms packaging efforts. I would be happy to do a packaging sprint, of course I've been trying to learn packaging for Ubuntu for years now and think a couple of hours with an expert would really bring people up to speed with at least being able to keep packages up to date. Anyone else going to be at FOSS4gNA? Thanks, Alex On 03/24/2012 02:05 PM, Pirmin Kalberer wrote: Frank, Alain, Alex and others, I had a long discussion with Jürgen Fischer about packaging at the German FOSSGIS conference this week. As you may know he's packaging QGIS for many platforms inlcuding UbuntuGIS and OSGEO4W. Since QGIS has many dependencies, he's also involved in packaging or updating dependent packages, escpecially for OSGEO4W. In my opinion, the main packagers (Alan Boudreault/Vincent Foley on Ubuntu, Francesco P. Lovergine on Debian, Jürgen Fischer and Tamas Szekeres on WIndows and William Kyngesburye on Mac come into my mind), should build a group and improve communication. I also think that funding the work of these packagers would be a very good investment for the FOSSGIS community. I like Alex' idea of training courses for new packagers very much. It would be great, if these expert packagers would get deputies and mentor them. Maybe thats even a better long-term approach than starting to pay packaging work. So what a about a OSGeo Packaging group? OSGeo Live contributors could also be involved and this could be a place for collecting information about packaging, different platforms and events where packagers are present. Pirmin Am Donnerstag, 22. März 2012, 11.49:57 schrieb Alan Boudreault: Alex, I also like the idea of packaging sessions to bring more contributors in DebianGIS/UbuntuGIS, but I won't be in NA neither. Alan On 12-03-21 12:32 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: I spy a GSOC project idea: Packaging automation a guide to train new packagers based on the automated system. Maybe with Frank and Alan as mentors? Should we also consider doing a packaging session at the sprint at Foss4gNA? Alan will you be there to teach packaging for debian/ubuntu? Thanks, Alex On 03/20/2012 11:35 PM, cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: Good point, agreed fully. Thanks for raising this out. Ready to help of necessary. --- http://faunalia.it/pc Sent from mobile, sorry for being short - Reply message - Da: Frank Warmerdamwarmer...@pobox.com A: OSGeo-Boardbo...@lists.osgeo.org Cc: Alan Boudreaultaboudrea...@mapgears.com, Brian Hamlinmapl...@light42.com, osgeo4w-devosgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org,ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment Data: mer, mar 21, 2012 07:04 Folks, I've mentioned this before, and I don't have anything surprising to add now. I just wanted to bump this topic. I believe that producing good quality integrated distributions of OSGeo binary software for a major user platforms is strategically important for OSGeo and would be worth an investment of moderate amounts of money to promote. For me two packaging efforts stick out, though I might be biased. 1) OSGeo4W - I think the Windows environment is (still?) very important and OSGeo4W is a credible community effort to satisfy it that could benefit from more involvement, polish and a broader package set. 2) Debian/Ubuntu/LiveDVD - I believe that Ubuntu is today the dominant desktop/server linux system and that the packaging efforts of the DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS and LiveDVD groups build on one another and provide high impact. If board members or community members see high impact and reasonably priced opportunities to extend these efforts with OSGeo money I hope they will come forward with them. I'd also like to see us do more on the OSGeo web site, with case studies, etc to promote these package suites in a manner appropriate to their level of readiness. I also think the MacOS environment is very important but I'm not entirely clear on the best way of addressing that. Good ideas on this aspect are also welcome. Best regards, ___ osgeo4w-dev mailing list osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev ___ UbuntuGIS mailing list Ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/wiki
[Ubuntu] Re: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment
Alex, I also like the idea of packaging sessions to bring more contributors in DebianGIS/UbuntuGIS, but I won't be in NA neither. Alan On 12-03-21 12:32 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: I spy a GSOC project idea: Packaging automation a guide to train new packagers based on the automated system. Maybe with Frank and Alan as mentors? Should we also consider doing a packaging session at the sprint at Foss4gNA? Alan will you be there to teach packaging for debian/ubuntu? Thanks, Alex On 03/20/2012 11:35 PM, cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: Good point, agreed fully. Thanks for raising this out. Ready to help of necessary. --- http://faunalia.it/pc Sent from mobile, sorry for being short - Reply message - Da: Frank Warmerdamwarmer...@pobox.com A: OSGeo-Boardbo...@lists.osgeo.org Cc: Alan Boudreaultaboudrea...@mapgears.com, Brian Hamlinmapl...@light42.com, osgeo4w-devosgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org,ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment Data: mer, mar 21, 2012 07:04 Folks, I've mentioned this before, and I don't have anything surprising to add now. I just wanted to bump this topic. I believe that producing good quality integrated distributions of OSGeo binary software for a major user platforms is strategically important for OSGeo and would be worth an investment of moderate amounts of money to promote. For me two packaging efforts stick out, though I might be biased. 1) OSGeo4W - I think the Windows environment is (still?) very important and OSGeo4W is a credible community effort to satisfy it that could benefit from more involvement, polish and a broader package set. 2) Debian/Ubuntu/LiveDVD - I believe that Ubuntu is today the dominant desktop/server linux system and that the packaging efforts of the DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS and LiveDVD groups build on one another and provide high impact. If board members or community members see high impact and reasonably priced opportunities to extend these efforts with OSGeo money I hope they will come forward with them. I'd also like to see us do more on the OSGeo web site, with case studies, etc to promote these package suites in a manner appropriate to their level of readiness. I also think the MacOS environment is very important but I'm not entirely clear on the best way of addressing that. Good ideas on this aspect are also welcome. Best regards, ___ osgeo4w-dev mailing list osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev -- Alan Boudreault http://www.mapgears.com/ ___ UbuntuGIS mailing list Ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/wiki
[Ubuntu] Re: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.com wrote: I spy a GSOC project idea: Packaging automation a guide to train new packagers based on the automated system. Maybe with Frank and Alan as mentors? Alex, Unfortunately my understanding is that GSoC is quite focused on actual code development and I think the above would not be considered suitable as a project. Should we also consider doing a packaging session at the sprint at Foss4gNA? Alan will you be there to teach packaging for debian/ubuntu? I like this idea, though I won't be there. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ UbuntuGIS mailing list Ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/wiki
Re: [Ubuntu] Re: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment
From my own packaging experience (saga gis, some attempts at mapguide) I don't think the major hurdles are in the specific packaging for debian or ubuntu, but rather in the build procedures. Creating a package is easy if: 1) the package builds automatically from source without special interventions. Completely. So no binary dependencies (problem for many java packages). This is the only way security updates can be made in time. 2) the package does not depend on specific versions of libraries (or compilers), and especially not on unreleased versions of these libraries (problem for many java packages, also for mapguide). This is also a call to library maintainers to release your libraries if everyone starts using unreleased versions (eg libtiff 4 was not in debian prior to being released, causing problems and unnecessary workarounds if a release would have been made earlier). Last but not least, to be included in debian main or ubuntu universe packages should be free software and use only free software. As far as I know this excludes almost all java-based gis projects, many of which require JAI, which is not even remotely free software. Johan PS: anyone interested in packaging mapguide, I'm going to try to package it for the next osgeo live dvd, so let's join efforts if you are also interested! On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Alex Mandel tech_...@wildintellect.comwrote: I spy a GSOC project idea: Packaging automation a guide to train new packagers based on the automated system. Maybe with Frank and Alan as mentors? Should we also consider doing a packaging session at the sprint at Foss4gNA? Alan will you be there to teach packaging for debian/ubuntu? Thanks, Alex On 03/20/2012 11:35 PM, cavall...@faunalia.it wrote: Good point, agreed fully. Thanks for raising this out. Ready to help of necessary. --- http://faunalia.it/pc Sent from mobile, sorry for being short - Reply message - Da: Frank Warmerdam warmer...@pobox.com A: OSGeo-Board bo...@lists.osgeo.org Cc: Alan Boudreault aboudrea...@mapgears.com, Brian Hamlin mapl...@light42.com, osgeo4w-dev osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org, ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: [osgeo4w-dev] Binaries Packaging - A Strategic Investment Data: mer, mar 21, 2012 07:04 Folks, I've mentioned this before, and I don't have anything surprising to add now. I just wanted to bump this topic. I believe that producing good quality integrated distributions of OSGeo binary software for a major user platforms is strategically important for OSGeo and would be worth an investment of moderate amounts of money to promote. For me two packaging efforts stick out, though I might be biased. 1) OSGeo4W - I think the Windows environment is (still?) very important and OSGeo4W is a credible community effort to satisfy it that could benefit from more involvement, polish and a broader package set. 2) Debian/Ubuntu/LiveDVD - I believe that Ubuntu is today the dominant desktop/server linux system and that the packaging efforts of the DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS and LiveDVD groups build on one another and provide high impact. If board members or community members see high impact and reasonably priced opportunities to extend these efforts with OSGeo money I hope they will come forward with them. I'd also like to see us do more on the OSGeo web site, with case studies, etc to promote these package suites in a manner appropriate to their level of readiness. I also think the MacOS environment is very important but I'm not entirely clear on the best way of addressing that. Good ideas on this aspect are also welcome. Best regards, ___ osgeo4w-dev mailing list osgeo4w-...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev ___ UbuntuGIS mailing list Ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/wiki ___ UbuntuGIS mailing list Ubuntu@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/wiki
