Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-08 Thread tonic
You are ready to proceed if you can clearly and concisely define the following: 1 - The client. Mark Shuttleworth. 2 - The audience. Linux noobs. 3 - The message. Ubuntu is brown, easy to use and completely awesome. 4 - The client's motivation. I'm a great guy. 5 - The audience's

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-04 Thread Nick Bauermeister
Am Freitag, den 04.01.2008, 02:52 +0100 schrieb Kenneth Wimer: we are not going to change the theme for Hardy radically as it is the last of the LTS cycle Didn't you mean _next_ there? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-03 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Andrew Laignel wrote: Hey, I was only saying that votes are valuable in so far as to find out what not to do and finding out what people hate is important. Neutral doesn't have to be bland or lacking in style, it just needs to avoid polarizing people. And this is the exact opposite as to

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-03 Thread Kenneth Wimer
Hi all, I have been on vacation for the last few weeks and unfortunately offline as my parents decided that the internet is too modern for them and no longer have a connection. Between spending my holidays with my family and my parents I have tried to sneak off to the coffee shop to at least

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread tonic
well there is voting one man, one vote On Jan 2, 2008 6:02 PM, Justin Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever, that fact remains that there is no leadership or direction from the people who can make any decisions. You seem to forget many people, such as myself, are on here on their own time

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Thomas L.G
tonic skrev: well there is voting one man, one vote To be honest, I don't think that's enough. If anyone were to agitate for a community-based organization of this work, it would be me (especially since it politically suits my ideals perfectly... ehem). And I am! But every organization

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread julian
..on Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:01:26PM +1300, tonic wrote: well there is voting one man, one vote agreed. it indicates /trends/ of interest, something not easily discernable from sprawling mailing list discussion. as someone said earlier, there are many great ideas contributed to this list

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Troy James Sobotka
julian wrote: we need to see mockups in one place as opposed to scattered over several sites and hidden as attachments in nests of threads: This has been established at least thrice in my knowledge, and at no point do people bother to tidy things up into an organized manner. The people who

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Troy James Sobotka
tonic wrote: well there is voting one man, one vote Hilarious. And yes, quite right. sabdfl I suppose _does_ vote. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Who
Dude you are just spinning your wheels, because I don't understand how nything up to this point can be called brilliant. I don't claim to know what to implement to get this project back on its feet. But the fact is that we are more then two months into a six month release cycle without

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Ken Vermette
No author of any theme is remotely aware of whether or not their submission will make it into the final product. I don't know that, if I turn one of my themes into a full-out GTK with Emerald and Metacity, my time will have been worth it. While we are all aware that Mark will decide the final

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Who
On Jan 3, 2008 2:29 AM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No author of any theme is remotely aware of whether or not their submission will make it into the final product. As Cory K just pointed out - this isn't true. No designer knows if they will make the default. But we can ensure that

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Andrew Laignel
Who wrote: How does a conventional 'vote for the one you like' allow us to see this? Maybe you could vote 1...5 on each entry then look at the tally graphs for distribution? into love it/hate it camps which should be avoided at all cost. Ideally a default theme should not be even noticed

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Troy James Sobotka
julian wrote: can you list these three attempts here for the benefit of review? To the best of my ability: 1) Roughly about Warty there was a community effort. The original Launchpad group was created from what I can recall. 2) Around Edgy there was a pretty decent push to get people to

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Andrew Laignel wrote: Ideally a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral and innofensive as possible should be the goal. A perfect demonstration of this is Apple, where the current theme for OSX is crips, clean, stylish and probably as neutral as you can get

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Jan Niklas Hasse
As long as I can remember the Ubuntu Theme has been part of the branding, something that helps make Ubuntu known, something for people to talk about. From this point of view, it has worked very well - if you see a screenshot of linux and it is brown, you _know_ it is ubuntu - if you see a

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread Ken Vermette
Ooh, what's that one? OSX is long held as one of the boldest and most unique designs in the industry, when Windows was just toying with XP - Apple made the ultra-shiny, over-glossed look and threw in every effect they could think of and paired it with a pinstripe. If you look at OSX now, compared

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-02 Thread xl cheese
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 02:31:17 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards. On Jan 3, 2008 2:16 AM, Andrew Laignel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think votes are valuable. Not for seeing who likes a theme but rather who

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-01 Thread Who
Good points. I share some of these concerns, and eagerly await an answer :) On Dec 28, 2007 11:03 PM, Andrew Laignel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been subscribed to this list for a few months now, and have been slightly disappointed at how things are progressing. I have seen quite a lot of

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-01 Thread Justin Rogers
I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I can contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain, have put very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised some sort of direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At this rate there is no way any

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-01 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Justin Rogers wrote: I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I can contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain, have put very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised some sort of direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At this

Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2008-01-01 Thread Justin Rogers
Whatever, that fact remains that there is no leadership or direction from the people who can make any decisions. You seem to forget many people, such as myself, are on here on their own time at no cost to Canonical and just want to help. By not giving these people any direction their hard work is

[ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

2007-12-28 Thread Andrew Laignel
I've been subscribed to this list for a few months now, and have been slightly disappointed at how things are progressing. I have seen quite a lot of good ideas go by, with people saying 'yes, I like that' and then it disappears into history and someone else posts something and it all starts