[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-11-03 Thread J Carerra
RE: the previous three... h...I am sure I have seen cases where ntpd is running, but no associations are active; therefore, I am not sure that just testing if ntpd is running fully covers all possible cases.. -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-11-03 Thread J Carerra
You say addresses on a local DNS server will resolve. What about the vast majority of people who do not have a local DNS server and rely on internet DNS? -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-11-03 Thread J Carerra
RE: the previous three... h...I am sure I have seen cases where ntpd is running, but no associations are active; therefore, I am not sure that just testing if ntpd is running fully covers all possible cases.. -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-11-03 Thread J Carerra
You say addresses on a local DNS server will resolve. What about the vast majority of people who do not have a local DNS server and rely on internet DNS? -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-28 Thread J Carerra
cwsupport, this should be a great help to getting this fixed (has been known a LONG time--should have been fixed in Gutsy and Hardy). However, there is one part of your logic I do not understand: After all - ntpdate should only be used automatically if ntp as a service has been started. I think

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-28 Thread J Carerra
cwsupport, this should be a great help to getting this fixed (has been known a LONG time--should have been fixed in Gutsy and Hardy). However, there is one part of your logic I do not understand: After all - ntpdate should only be used automatically if ntp as a service has been started. I think

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-27 Thread J Carerra
J Carrera, I do not know what you mean by 'write to hardware switch' to ntpdate. Sorry, I am on long travel and don't have my linux machine. As I recall it is something involving --hwclock or something like that. It may even be a separate command rather than an ntpdate switch. Maybe date

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-27 Thread J Carerra
I did some web research. The command is hwclock --systohc This should be part of the fix (or at least made an option somehow) to run after ntpdate, for the reason previously cited. -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-27 Thread J Carerra
J Carrera, I do not know what you mean by 'write to hardware switch' to ntpdate. Sorry, I am on long travel and don't have my linux machine. As I recall it is something involving --hwclock or something like that. It may even be a separate command rather than an ntpdate switch. Maybe date

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-27 Thread J Carerra
I did some web research. The command is hwclock --systohc This should be part of the fix (or at least made an option somehow) to run after ntpdate, for the reason previously cited. -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-26 Thread J Carerra
Moderators may delete this post if you wish.. I just have to say it is truly incredible this issue is not fixed in Hardy. It has been known for a long time and the fundamental cause is known--the necessary sequence of getting the internet connection to be fully functioning (eth0, dhcp, etc)

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-26 Thread J Carerra
Onno, would you please elaborate on the patch you posted... -What files does it modify, delete, or add? -What, in detail, does it do, exactly, step by step? -How does one employ/deploy it? -To what versions can it be applied? Thanks. -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-26 Thread J Carerra
It is illuminating to look at syslog in an editor/viewer just after a boot and search for 'ntp.' That will show you the ntpd and ntpdate calls--easily showing if multiple attempts are happening. You can also see if ntpd is making associations, look to see if interfaces are up, if dhcp addresses

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-26 Thread J Carerra
Moderators may delete this post if you wish.. I just have to say it is truly incredible this issue is not fixed in Hardy. It has been known for a long time and the fundamental cause is known--the necessary sequence of getting the internet connection to be fully functioning (eth0, dhcp, etc)

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-26 Thread J Carerra
Onno, would you please elaborate on the patch you posted... -What files does it modify, delete, or add? -What, in detail, does it do, exactly, step by step? -How does one employ/deploy it? -To what versions can it be applied? Thanks. -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-10-26 Thread J Carerra
It is illuminating to look at syslog in an editor/viewer just after a boot and search for 'ntp.' That will show you the ntpd and ntpdate calls--easily showing if multiple attempts are happening. You can also see if ntpd is making associations, look to see if interfaces are up, if dhcp addresses

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-01-28 Thread J Carerra
A note to all: updates released sometime shortly before 1-27-08, when I installed them in Gutsy, REVERTED the change of S24dhcdbd to S13dhcdbd start priority in rc5.d back to S24 !! (I used sysv-rc-conf -p ' tool to make the previous changes by the way) This reversion caused the previous

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2008-01-08 Thread J Carerra
BTW, what does Declined for Gutsy by Henrik Nilsen Omma mean? Does that mean the developers have ruled out fixing it? -- ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/114505 You received this bug

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2007-12-29 Thread J Carerra
BUG CONFIRMED A WORKAROUND FOUND heindsight's method worked for me, with one additional change that he also suggested at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=647559page=5 ... specifically, changing S24dhcdbd to S13dhcdbd in /etc/rc[2,3,4,5].d (I used sysv-rc-conf -p ' by the way) so

[Bug 114505] Re: ntp brought up before network is ready; fails not resolve any ip or host names; ntp does not recover

2007-12-24 Thread J Carerra
As others, I confirm for Gutsy 7.10... I do not see a consensus in the preceding comments regarding a for- certain solution. It is absolutely a situation that needs to be resolved, and, boy, would I like to see a documented change here that does. heindsight, in