[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-11-13 Thread Gursimran singh Mohar
** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low -- ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You received this bug notification because you are a member o

[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-11-09 Thread bitinerant
their Linux WiFi code: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/09/1925214 /Broadcom-Releases-Source-Code-For-Drivers ) -- ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You received this bug notification becau

[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-11-05 Thread fuggum
u and their horrible technical support. canonical is also fooling themselves with their sham of a certified hardware testing and certification program, and quite simply ignoring their own prime directive, bug #1. best of luck, cheers -- ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key

[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-11-05 Thread bitinerant
lot of my own, I have just about decided to give up and try to get a refund from Dell. I am very disappointed in both Dell and Ubuntu. -- ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You received t

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-11-02 Thread kredh
** Branch unlinked: lp:kassie -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/ma

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-11-01 Thread Martin Wildam
Because of the latest problems with network-manager I tried wicd - and bum - next bug report. Currently I think I could spend the whole day with bug reporting... - that is sad... -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launch

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-11-01 Thread Martin Wildam
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 22:49, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I am getting most of my people to stick with 10.04 (LTS).  I will be trying > out > a few newer releases but only on a spare partition especially at first. I am also on 10.04 - although 9.10 would have been the better LTS. Plea

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-11-01 Thread Tom
I am getting most of my people to stick with 10.04 (LTS). I will be trying out a few newer releases but only on a spare partition especially at first. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-11-01 Thread Artem Karimov
I agree. I tried running the Unity on Maverick on the 2004 laptop with P4 and Radeon 9600 video. That was a disaster! Even the ppa purge could not make the system gui bootable again. Had to make a transition to Arch Linux. On 2 November 2010 00:01, Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: >

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-11-01 Thread Martin Wildam
Read in the news that there is planned to use unity in future Ubuntu versions as main desktop. I did not tried myself but heard and read of _many_ people that this is still really buggy. I do personally fully understand, that Ubuntu needs to keep up with innovation and there is the desire to deli

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-25 Thread Faldegast
o be a good choice but the runtime not > widely spread so far (I don't know any Windows workstations at > customers where the Python runtime is installed). So for the > developers or software vendors it is not an easy thing to develop for > multiple platforms - maybe a reason why

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-25 Thread zakzor
You're absolutely right, Tom. And don't forget our beloved X window system. Long before MS as released its poor and system resource eater Aero, the linux community was ''playing'' with the great Compiz and its cube. And there are some people who still think that Linux has not a graphical environm

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-25 Thread Tom
It is not just that Ubuntu has developed a lot over the last 2 or 3 years. Users expectations and hardware have developed into areas either already covered by linux kernels or easily implemented as Unix was developed to be a multi-everything system. The introduction of dual/quad-core cpus caug

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-25 Thread Martin Wildam
ntu on the desktop within the next - let's say - 5 years? What should companies do if they need some software development now? OK, this maybe again not seems very relevant to Bug #1, but IMHO there are many factors playing together. Home users buy there hardware often at different shops where c

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-24 Thread Faldegast
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 23:21, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone > > got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and > > Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. > > I th

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-24 Thread Martin Wildam
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 23:21, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone > got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and > Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. I think it is nec

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-24 Thread Martin Wildam
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:51, Artem Karimov wrote: > We are just all tired of guys that respond to help proposals saying > "go f*ck yourself". It is _really_ annoying. Let me neutralize the annoying comment: I would like thank you all for the engagement, the hard work and for the coherence and

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Faldegast
Ok. Now I found it. :) I don't think the USC need to be replaced. I will read more about it and perhaps write a blueprint with whatever ideas i get. > @Faldegast > > The Ubuntu Software Centre (USC) is the way software gets distributed to > Ubuntu users. It can accommodate FLOSS, proprietary, a

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
@Faldegast The Ubuntu Software Centre (USC) is the way software gets distributed to Ubuntu users. It can accommodate FLOSS, proprietary, and more. New in 10.10 there is a section in USC for commercial apps (that cost money) too. The one thing that all software in USC has in common though is that i

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Faldegast
I think that the official name for CNR is something else now. In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. Yeah, there is people that is not

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Mark, Words to live by. Regards, Flint On Sat, 23 Oct 2010, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:33:20 - > From: Mark Shuttleworth <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> > To: fl...@flint.com > Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market sh

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread houstonbofh
On 10/23/2010 07:00 AM, Faldegast wrote: > Take a look at Xandros and their success. CNR seam to work quite well, > just to bad that their OS is... In 2006, there was an announcement of CNR for Ubuntu. It was actually in Hardy. It never went anywhere. See http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/1

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread houstonbofh
On 10/23/2010 01:19 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote: > Why don't you go go yourself you ing ***. > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh<1...@bugs.launchpad.net> >> I don't believe you. Really, that kid of response is a crass way of saying, "Ooops... You Got me." And I won

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Faldegast
1) "Linux (commonly pronounced /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in American English,[4][5] also pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks[6] in Europe and Canada) refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel." Thats the common use of the word "Linux" and its quite obvious that i did

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Faldegast
d I believe thats their weakness. > > Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with > > computers, so we must target the OEM builders. > > > > While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is > > not a #1 bug issue. We have tech

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
ll part of the world's population >> and >> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full >> potential, >> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >&

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread zakzor
"...they warned me about your type..."??? One of the certifications is the "brainwash" one. @Gentilli: Try to judge people by yourself and not by labels and what other say. zakzor > You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know > that.. > > I am a senior technician for

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
eps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happ

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
eat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majo

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
Thank you, Mark, for the reminder. I just could not seem to take this kind of stuff from Setve. I promise to behave in a more Ubuntu way from now on. Thanks again! On 23.10.2010, at 11:33, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > @Martin > > That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Artem Karimov
: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
@Martin That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just rise above it, don't take the bait and start a noise-war. If you're going to reply, please do it with the code of conduct in mind. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
peat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should ha

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
evelopers to reach their full >> potential, >> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free soft

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software >> like >> Ubuntu. >> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing >> features and >> benefits wo

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
t;> (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you >> describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 >> has >> in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view >> computers as >> a way to get to entertainment)

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
ns: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
nd free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software >> like >> Ubuntu. >> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing >> features and >> benefits would be appa

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >>> >>> Steps to repeat: >>> >>> 1. Visit a local PC store. >>> >>> What happens: >>> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >>>

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
e software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software >> like >> Ubuntu. >> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing >> features and >> benefits would be apparent a

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
buntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software >> like >> Ubuntu. >> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing >> features and >&g

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
t;>> Confirmed >>>> Status in openSUSE: In Progress >>>> Status in Tilix Linux: New >>>> >>>> Bug description: >>>> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC >>>> marketplace. >>>> This is

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
t; >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen:

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
are developers to reach their full >> potential, >> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-f

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
>> marketplace. >> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. >> >> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, >> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population >> and >> limiting the ability of softw

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Martin Eisenhardt
ress” package in Ubuntu: Invalid >> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid >> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Ligh

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-23 Thread Delan Azabani
Please don't spam your comment multiple times to be heard (you won't be). Also, it is quite rude to refer to us as 'your type'; if you don't think Ubuntu is 'worthy of your attention' then please stop and leave. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You receiv

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
ents the only thing available is > >> Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. > >> They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. > >> Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with > >> computers,

Re: RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
RHEL but for clients the only thing available is > > Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. > > They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. > > Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with > > comp

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
computers, so we must target the OEM builders. > > While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is > not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is > marketing. > > There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X.

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
jority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > >

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
ftware pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall b

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, mzc <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Bug #1 description is outdated! Microsoft windows is a fading os due to > its failure to innovate. We should focus more on why do i use this _ > os, what apps do use in th

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
; pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefi

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
led. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would b

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > htt

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread mzc
ftware pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become mor

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
designed to fix. > > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, > globally. This bug is widely evident in th

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
e Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed > > Status in openSUSE: In Progress > > Status in Tilix Linux: New > > > > Bug description: > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. > > This is a bug, which Ubuntu

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
t; > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
's population and > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, > globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > > What happens: > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for s

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
t; 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
ntation aimed at noobs is quite prolific but still all the difficult > part > of the migration process is right at the start of using linux. This is the > specific point of this bug#1 because a 'pre-installed' linux is very easy > to > use. > > -- > Microsoft has a maj

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
nSUSE: In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: New > > Bug description: > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. > > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > restricting

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
on-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing feat

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
ty of PCs for sale have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a w

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe > > -- Microsoft has a majority market share

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
t; > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
t; Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpa

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has > in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as > a way to get to entertainment). > > In other words "we get what we deserve/ask for". Maybe we should really > change the status to &quo

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Kip Warner
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 05:36 +, Alex M. Lowe wrote: > Wow. That's what I call a well thought-out, logically-argued, polite > and in-depth comment right there. Stay classy. He was cooked up on deep fried, non-organic, proprietary software. He needs to go on a raw, organic, freshly squeeze, free

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Kip Warner
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 05:19 +, Setve Gentilly wrote: > Why don't you go go fuck yourself you fucking asshole. Setve, you're cooked. Get off the recreational dairy and refined sugar. Drink some kombucha and chill. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bug

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Alex M. Lowe
t;> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
aining" our students purely to be "users" > (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you > describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has > in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as > a way t

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > &g

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
n a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe > > -

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
en: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > &

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
e have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
software > pre-installed. > > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > > > What should happen: > > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe > >

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe > >

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
designed to fix. > >> > >> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > >> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and > >> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full > potential, >

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
> pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
stalled. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits wo

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
led. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would b

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
designed to fix. > > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, > globally. This bug is widely evident in th

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Setve Gentilly
buntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The sys

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
available is >> Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. >> They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. >> Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with >> computers, so we must target the OEM builders. >> &g

Re: RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread mzc
and they are usually sold with > computers, so we must target the OEM builders. > > While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is > not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is > marketing. > > There is no reason why Linux s

RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-22 Thread Faldegast
ng Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
Ubuntu awareness (and use) is very very low by our measurements so far. We're conducting random public surveys in Vancouver BC to get an actual percentage. Our goal is 1000 people asked "What is Ubuntu?" We're not publishing until we have a stastistically valid sample. Stay tuned for results ;) Wan

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Tom
or we could just keep going as we are to achieve critical mass http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/macbook/microsoft_ceo_scoffs_at_mac_share_gains.html http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me. i keep bumping into people t

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread mzc
Bug #1 description is outdated! Microsoft windows is a fading os due to its failure to innovate. We should focus more on why do i use this _ os, what apps do use in the ___that i cannot find in Ubuntu os. I saying this because for the past few years,Apple has successfully gained market

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Artem Karimov
obally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few P

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Tom
Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably no

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Martin Wildam
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 14:07, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install.  It is > about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed. Yes, thanks for reminding. But wouldn't it be more likely that more syst

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