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Was discussed and approved in current TB meeting, will sponsor the g-s-t
patch.
** Also affects: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Status: New = In Progress
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I will sponsor ntp patch.
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This bug was fixed in the package gnome-system-tools - 2.32.0-0ubuntu5
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* Add 96_ubuntu_ntp_pool.patch: Offer Ubuntu specific NTP servers;
pool.ntp.org offers geolocation and automatic QA. Thanks Xavier Robin for
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* debian/ntp.conf: adjust to use X.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org in addition to
ntp.ubuntu.com (LP: #104525)
-- Jamie Strandboge ja...@ubuntu.com Tue, 08 Feb 2011
Was discussed and approved in current TB meeting, will sponsor the g-s-t
patch.
** Also affects: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Status: New = In Progress
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* debian/ntp.conf: adjust to use X.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org in addition to
ntp.ubuntu.com (LP: #104525)
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I've added this bug to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda for
the next meeting, which is tomorrow, 25 Jan at 1500 UTC. The issues seem
pretty clear from the comments, so I think we can discuss it regardless
of who shows up. Folks who are interested in this issue are encouraged
to attend,
I've added this bug to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda for
the next meeting, which is tomorrow, 25 Jan at 1500 UTC. The issues seem
pretty clear from the comments, so I think we can discuss it regardless
of who shows up. Folks who are interested in this issue are encouraged
to attend,
I had nearly forgotten about ntp-servers-list.c. Here is a patch, but I
don't know how to format it best…
** Patch added: patched ntp-servers-list.c
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/104525/+attachment/1803799/+files/ntp-servers-list.c.diff
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On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Xavier Robin
I had nearly forgotten about ntp-servers-list.c. Here is a patch, but I
don't know how to format it best…
** Patch added: patched ntp-servers-list.c
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On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Xavier Robin
Here is a proposal patch for ntp.conf. I left the ntp.ubuntu.com
server...
I also contacted the server team admin, but I don't know who is the ntp
maintainer exactly.
** Patch added: patched ntp.conf
** Tags added: patch
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/src/time/ntp-servers-list.c from the gnome-system-tools package also needs to
be patched.
Currently the time-admin config tool hard codes the ntp servers (seems like a
list of stratum 0 servers).
Minimally the ubuntu.pool.ntp.og servers should be added, but Ideally no
servers should be
Here is a proposal patch for ntp.conf. I left the ntp.ubuntu.com
server...
I also contacted the server team admin, but I don't know who is the ntp
maintainer exactly.
** Patch added: patched ntp.conf
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/src/time/ntp-servers-list.c from the gnome-system-tools package also needs to
be patched.
Currently the time-admin config tool hard codes the ntp servers (seems like a
list of stratum 0 servers).
Minimally the ubuntu.pool.ntp.og servers should be added, but Ideally no
servers should be
I got this answer today:
Sorry about the late response. I really wanted someone from the
ubuntu project to set it up -- but I guess that's not forthcoming, so I
approved the zone anyway and we'll see what happens.
And in another email:
Your vendor pool zone ubuntu has been setup. The
See if you can contact someone from the Canonical server team. Personally I'd
also try to contact the ntp maintainer via IRC too.
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I got this answer today:
Sorry about the late response. I really wanted someone from the
ubuntu project to set it up -- but I guess that's not forthcoming, so I
approved the zone anyway and we'll see what happens.
And in another email:
Your vendor pool zone ubuntu has been setup. The
See if you can contact someone from the Canonical server team. Personally I'd
also try to contact the ntp maintainer via IRC too.
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I fully agree with comment 6 by Perry E. Metzger. Switching to ntp pool
should not be a security issue as bad servers are automatically filtered
from the pool. Additionally, bad servers are detected by the NTP
algorithm if enough servers are selected (they are called
falsetickers, see
To push it a bit I requested a vendor zone in the pool. I should get an
answer within 3 days and will let you know.
I hope it will help this bug forward.
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I fully agree with comment 6 by Perry E. Metzger. Switching to ntp pool
should not be a security issue as bad servers are automatically filtered
from the pool. Additionally, bad servers are detected by the NTP
algorithm if enough servers are selected (they are called
falsetickers, see
To push it a bit I requested a vendor zone in the pool. I should get an
answer within 3 days and will let you know.
I hope it will help this bug forward.
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FWIW, pool.ntp.org does geolocation nowadays, so it's not necessary to
use the regional zones. Which is good, cuz it would be pretty
complicated: Some don't have enough servers, or even have none at all,
so you need to fall back to nearby countries or the continental zone.
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FWIW, pool.ntp.org does geolocation nowadays, so it's not necessary to
use the regional zones. Which is good, cuz it would be pretty
complicated: Some don't have enough servers, or even have none at all,
so you need to fall back to nearby countries or the continental zone.
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I've unsubscribed from the bug report. It could have been fixed in a few
minutes one way or another at any time over the last few years but no
one did, which is a sad commentary on the management of the project.
Anyway, after years of this bug report remaining in limbo I've ceased to
care what
I've unsubscribed from the bug report. It could have been fixed in a few
minutes one way or another at any time over the last few years but no
one did, which is a sad commentary on the management of the project.
Anyway, after years of this bug report remaining in limbo I've ceased to
care what
It would be useful to have multiple servers listed.
Here is a machine, over in Australia.
ntpq peers
remote refid st t when poll reach delay
offset jitter
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*europium.canoni
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 01:30:14PM -, Anand Kumria wrote:
This means that I get dovecot (and other things) complaining about time
moving backwards (http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards) fairly
regularly.
BTW, this is the reason why I have created NTP check script (see
attachment).
I believe that this bug should not be marked as 'Wishlist because using
single NTP server is entirely unacceptable.
1) At least three NTP servers must be configured in ntp.conf to choose best of
them and detect single outlayer
2) Routing problems are possible
3) Server failures are even more
A complete fix is more than you've submitted so far. It should use the user's
time zone to set the proper sub-pool, e.g.:
0.north-america.pool.ntp.org
1.north-america.pool.ntp.org
2.north-america.pool.ntp.org
3.north-america.pool.ntp.org
Normally you set 3 or 4 servers, so no one bad server
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make
Ubuntu better. I have tested using pool.ntp.org and it works well. This
should be technically easy to implement, if it's decided this feature is
worthwhile.
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Hew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make
Ubuntu better. I have tested using pool.ntp.org and it works well. This
should be technically easy to implement, if it's decided this feature is
worthwhile.
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status and
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance .
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Hew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can read the status and importance guidelines at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status and
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance .
I'm aware of them. The designation you've made makes no sense. I think
it is based on the fact that you don't understand the bug
Thank you for your bug report. To maintain a respectful atmosphere,
please follow the code of conduct -
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . Bug reports are handled by
humans, the majority of whom are volunteers, so please bear this in
mind.
I am not a developer, but a triager. I marked
Hew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If the fix is straightforward, you may submit it yourself.
I did. Read the bug report. It is editing two lines in a file (or
restoring the file with the two lines edited if it was removed in
Intrepid).
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I must add that it seems that the ntp.ubuntu.com server doesn't work at
all:
it happened that this morning, the time on my laptop was 10 minutes late
after 1 hour, it was still 10 minutes late
I replaced ntp.ubuntu.com by another ntp server, and 2 minutes later,
the time became
The problem with ntp.ubuntu.com seems to be related to its load:
this morning(UTC +2), the time was not updated after 2 hours
this afternoon, the update arrives after about 10 minutes
anyway, I put now:
server 0.fr.pool.ntp.org
server 1.fr.pool.ntp.org
server 2.fr.pool.ntp.org
Inkwina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In any case the concern with anonymous servers is not dissimilar from that
wit anonymous mirrors.
It is quite dissimilar, in that an anonymous mirror (where you didn't
check the signatures) could take over your machine. There is no
evidence an anonymous bad
While it is true that NTP servers that serve the wrong time are ejected
from the pool, the default ntpd only resolved DNS at startup.
In any case the concern with anonymous servers is not dissimilar from that
wit anonymous mirrors.
If you are willing to risk downloading ubuntu over, say,
I'm concerned with the security implications of using a pool of unknown
time servers per default. If I understand correctly, anyone can
volunteer to participate in the pool. If the end user's ntpd is started
with the -g option, overriding the 1000 seconds sanity check (as was the
default in Ubuntu
Alexander Konovalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm concerned with the security implications of using a pool of unknown
time servers per default.
Most other OSes out there do this or variations on it now, so it would
hardly be an Ubuntu specific problem.
There are only security problems for
Consider also that NTP servers that serve the wrong time are ejected
from the pool.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc# ntpq -p ntp.ubuntu.com
europium.canonical.com: timed out, nothing received
***Request timed out
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc#
http://www.pool.ntp.org/
several of my machines were off, some by minutes
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I agree that ntp should be setup by default, but but one has to keep in mind
setups that are not connected and offer a sensible fall back.
The first thing I do when I install ubuntu is install ntp nad add
eu.pool.ntp.og as my default server.
But this can be probably arranged (in the shot term?)
If this change was going to be made, the NTP pool operators must be
asked to create a vendor-specific pool for Ubuntu. Then ntp must be
configured to query {0,1,2,3}.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org.
More information at http://www.pool.ntp.org/vendors.html#vendor-zone,
including:
You must absolutely not use
Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If this change was going to be made, the NTP pool operators must be
asked to create a vendor-specific pool for Ubuntu. Then ntp must be
configured to query {0,1,2,3}.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org.
More information at
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