Patrick,
while I also would like to see this big fixed I have to point out that your
rant is wrong on all counts.
Software in general has bugs that sometimes goes back years without getting
fixed. Proprietary software has the very same problem. To sell updates it
needs new features. So updates
The discussions on this bug report are becoming irrevelant and turning into
personal attacks.
This bug report has the relevant information, just needs some attention from
developers . There is no need to add a comment here which does not provide
*useful* information to fix this bug.
To
Some day its gonna be fixed? It's been 16 years. I can tell you what
prevents me from using Linux is bugs exactly like this where the
developer thinks its fine but 99% of users do not think it's fine. it's
a bug. Fix it already. I don't care if its gonna take a lot of work,
I'd like it fixed.
On 08/31/2009 04:56 AM, pyrates wrote:
Some day its gonna be fixed? It's been 16 years. I can tell you what
prevents me from using Linux is bugs exactly like this where the
developer thinks its fine but 99% of users do not think it's fine. it's
a bug. Fix it already. I don't care if its
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From: Michael Nagel ubu...@nailor.devzero.de
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Subject: [Bug 11334] Re: Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed
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ericf: if you do not close the source of the of the copy before pasting
ericf : Bug reports are used to fix bugs, therefore ordinary users can
only help by providing informations to developers so they can fix these
bugs. Discussions on bug reports make things more difficult for
developers as it makes important informations hard to find. For that
reason, launchpad
pyrates wrote on 2009-08-29:
The design of the clipboard isn't...
...it is broken and not working.
I couldn't agree more!
Przemysław Kulczycki wrote on 2009-08-29:
@pyrates
If it isn't rocket science for you, why don't you write a patch to fix it?
Could people please STOP posting such
I've merged some other bugs about the same problem into this one as
duplicates, but I'm worried about it not copying the packages that are
affected or upstream bugs. Do I need to manually move all those things
to this bug, too?
This is something that needs to be implemented in each individual
Previous discussions:
http://elliotth.blogspot.com/2008/08/desktop-linux-suckage-clipboard.html
http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-hate-copy-and-paste.html
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3118/
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16966/
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- This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
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+ This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
+ support trivial things like copy/paste.
Fortunately this works well in
** Description changed:
This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
support trivial things like copy/paste.
Fortunately this works well in KDE.
This -could- be the underlying cause of bug #7986.
This is a general issue that seems to be independant of
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Previous discussions:
http://elliotth.blogspot.com
The design of the clipboard isn't rocket science here. Implement it
according to the way Windows does it. If an application wants to use
the selection method of copy and pasting, then it takes over the ctrl+c
ctrl+x ctrl+v shortcuts since it's most likely a terminal application.
But most other
ericf: if you do not close the source of the of the copy before pasting -- and
nevertheless experience problems -- your problem is different from the bug
discussed here and should be processed separately.
i mark it as no longer being a duplicate of this bug.
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@pyrates
If it isn't rocket science for you, why don't you write a patch to fix it?
Most Ubuntu developers aren't paid for their work, they do it voluntarily.
And the number of Ubuntu devs isn't infinite.
Comments such as yours won't help fixing this bug.
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Here's a workaround for firefox:
sudo apt-get install xclip
Edit /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox.sh (or equivalent)
Put this line after #!/bin/sh :
python /home/$USER/clipwrap.py
# Save this (for example) to /home/$USER/clipwrap.py
#Copy from the clipboard:
import os
import time
s = ''
Oh umm another limitation is that it will only copy text, not html
metadata in the clipboard. Same as ClipMan I think.
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People on xdg mailing list were discussing about this back in '03. the
thread is rather long... I always said it was a misconception in Xwin...
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2003-August/000607.html
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Remember The clipboard contains a huge object, do you want to leave it?
message box when MS Office is closed?
Why not to do the same?!
If clipping text is not that big, then copy to system buffer w/o
confirmation. If it's quite big (10/100/1000 Mb) - then ask.
The other workaround is to insert
Actually the way windows and OS X does it is if its text, its copied to
the clipboard. If it's something larger like part of a graphic like
photoshop does, they monitor the source. If the source is closed, that
question pops up asking if the user wants to keep it in the clipboard.
If they click
I know, this sucks. Normally on Windows platform source could be copied
every though it's already closed. So when I'm on Linux, I have to be
extra aware and extra careful by leaving the window of the copied source
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I already read it a few months ago, but it's a great article. That guy
knows what he's talking about and I couldn't agree more.
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I'm glad I'm not the only this has effected. Why is this taking so long
to fix? Could it be because traditional linux users don't want to lose
the clipboard integration that they put into the terminal emulator? I'd
bet so. This is unacceptable. Here's a write up of a frustrated linux
user who
I once read an article, why not to use klipper, I was using it. Now I
just got used to not close the program. What about:
http://svenfoo.geekheim.de/2005/06/18/why-klipper-is-bad/
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i felt we had established that just do not close the program is not an
acceptable solution!
gimp enthusiasts hate klipper because it leeches everything it can get.
if they were for a pragmatic solution they would not offer that much
date but just an internal pointer. or klipper simply
@David Siegel, I don't think that the amount of discussion should be a
factor on whether this is a papercut or not, nor do I believe that there
are divergent opinions on this bug - everyone is pretty much saying
the same thing - copy/paste in linux is laughably broken and has been
for many years.
This not only happens to me with the text (now i use parcellite). It
even happens by copying files between nautilus tabs!
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1. Ubuntu: Open Firefox. Copy the URL. Close Firefox. Open OOWriter : Can't
paste url
Windows : Open Firefox. Copy the URL. Close Firefox. Open OOWriter : Url
pasted !
2. Open Firefox under Windows. Copy the URL. Close Firefox. Open OOWriter in a
virtual machine(Sun Virtual Box) (UBUNTU9.4)
Could anyone explain me something : X does not remember the content of the
selection, only the source. But why can't command line software like xsel or
xclip output the content of the CLIPBOARD selection if it is binary ? see this :
a) select some text (clipboard for example), then CTRL-C :
xsel
Not really a papercut in my opinion, that's a design issue and not
something that will be tweaking in a day
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As a workaround, http://parcellite.sourceforge.net/ seems to be solving
this just fine somehow, while even giving the expanded functionality of
being able to go in history of clipboard (so you can ctrl+c, ctrl+c,
ctrl+v, ctrl+v) while being very lightweight (4.7mb for me atm with
indicator-applet
^ pardon the bad sentence there.
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Parcellite doesn't support images, sounds, some scene copied from a
videofile, et cetera. It only supports text. Last time I tried
Parcellite it was very unstable. We don't need half baked workarounds.
We don't want to install an application for every desktop environment
(Glipper or Parcellite for
The amount of discussion and divergent opinions expressed on this bug
help show that this bug is well beyond the complexity of a paper cut.
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I cannot reproduce this bug in 9.04. Can someone else reproduce that in
Jaunty, and if so, what are the steps?
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I'm not going to explain how to reproduce this bug again. I've done this
before for about 452 times. How many times do I have to explain how to
reproduce this bug? I can't imagine people keep on asking how to
reproduce this bug. Are people really that dumb? This bug is the easiest
bug ever to
By the way: Why was LimCores tag deleted? He was completely right. I
have to agree with him. Still having such broken copy and paste
functionality after all those years while thousands of people keep on
losing data IS an epic fail. This bugs importance has to be raised to
the highest possible
Actually I think Patrick is completely right. This is an Epic fail. I'm
now used to it (nearly 20 years of X practising), but newcomers will
laugh and flee!
But IMHO I think the issue is with the way X selection works. Either
gnome / put_your_wm_here drops Xsel and uses its own, dropping
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+ This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
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+ Fortunately this works well in KDE.
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+
This -could- be the underlying cause of bug #7986.
This is a general issue that seems to be independant
This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
support trivial things like copy/paste.
I couldn't agree more. I always say: How can we ever solve bug number
one if Ubuntu (or more general Linux) can't even remember an image I
placed on the clipboard two seconds ago?
I had a conversation with Philipp Kern recently and he basically shares
our opinion. To get it in the default release we should:
- collect all known/possible regressions (like cp of binary data, some magic
gimp seems to do, ...)
- find someone from the official canonical team to support this
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I agree. but this is more of a workaround. the copy paste thing should just
work! maybe include it in the next dist. karmic may be promising :P
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@Michael Nagel:
I've tried Glipper, Parcellite and Desktop Data Manager. In my opinion Glipper
and Percellite just don't work. Both of them only support text, I've had
problems with these applications not starting when booting the system, after
installing these applications the copy / paste
Yesterday my father wanted to log on to a website. He didn't know the
password anymore, so he looked up this password in Evolution, copied the
password, closed Evolution and tried to paste the password in Firefox.
The paste function was greyed out and my father thought he had clicked
on the wrong
@comment 6:
in true unix history of having one tool to do one thing right i do not
necessarily think it is a workaround to have a program dedicated to managing
the clipboard.
however i think solid copypaste is a feature everyone can expect to
work out of the box. and because i think it is
I think the problem is that the copy buffer if you want to call it
like that is saved somewhere in the current program memory. When the
program is closed the buffer is erased so there is no source to copy
it from.
A possible fix would be allocating some memory for copy. But than again
this might
YAC - Yet Another Confirmation
... and yes, this bug is rather annoying one.
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On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 12:38 +, Patrick Roberts wrote:
Can this please be fixed?
Comments like that don't help in any way to speed up the bug fixing
process.
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See my comment here for a much longer comment:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/21202/comments/37
Sorry for kicking this thread with that previous comment, but in my
opinion it's ridiculous there's still no working copy/paste function in
Linux, after all those years. In my opinion it's way
nota bene: parcellite should be preferred over glipper (unmaintained)
right now.
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Just because X has behaved this way forever doesn't make this user
friendly behaviour.
Besides - it doesn't require new code - just include glipper by default
and add it to the panel.
I've been using Linux for a while and it's still annoying when clipboard
data is lost... I added glipper but
i'd like to have this thing addressed, too. this bug can be very frustrating
for users switching from windows and it's by far more convenient for
beginner/intermediate/power-users to have this functionality, too. i can think
of no use case where the current behavior brings an advantage.
i see
I also lost some data after hard work because of this bug. Beginners and
advanced uses assume on a very basic functional level that this bug is
not there. Hence the data loss risk while working is too high.
Please increase the importance and release a fix soon..
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I disagree that this bug should be rated as a WISHLIST bug. My opinion
is that it should be rated as a CRITICAL bug.
This is a design bug!
It is darn hard to recommend this os when there are silly bugs such as
this listed as features?!?
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Hi this bug kills me especially when i copy things from firefox,
especially when i want to copy a link fro mfirefox and close it to re-
open it (because of flash bugs).
Please this is not a wishlist bug, this seems moderate, i cant believe
this bug was reported two years ago and it still isnt
Sorry i just re-read and noticed its not an actual bug and why its a
wishlist. This is a BIG wishlist, it gets quite annoying.. I understand
how linux is meant to work, but when you work in an OS thats aiming to
be a real alternative to MS and OSX, it would really help to get copy
and paste to
I also noticed that. And my god how it is annoying.
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I can fix it if I use Glipper or Klipper (preferred) on KDE. Installing
one of these makes everything better.
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I think there are case where it is very important to retain copy buffer : Have
you ever tried to create a filter with a header in evolution ?
A natural way would be :
- Show source message
- Select and copy desired header
- Close window
- Go to Edit Filters New
- Paste
Unfortunately, it
Found this from : http://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/xsel/
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Make the selection contents persist in memory
Normally the X selection only exists as long as the program it was
selected in is running. Further, some buggy applications tend to forget
their selection text after a little
Because probably nobody has the knowledge, time or is not interested to
work on it? Comments like you're posting recently doesn't help at all,
if you want to help to get this fixed you can work on a patch and submit
it to the report, but please stop commenting with no useful information.
thanks in
Really? 3-4 years? Why has it not been fixed after so long a time?
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I have this bug too!
1960 called and want their copypaste system back.
Windows 3.11 could do this 15+ years ago.
This bug pisses me off! Fix it!
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This is an important bug, and its been 3-4 years since its been reported, and
you still haven't fixed it.
Other operating systems have had the functionality for like 20 years.
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This bug definitely is valid, and confirmed by several people. It should
probably be wishlist rather than medium though.
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** Changed in: ubuntu
Importance: Medium = Wishlist
Assignee: Ubuntu-X (ubuntu-x-swat) = (unassigned)
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This would have to be my number 1 bug in Ubuntu, I run into it several
times a day and is at the top of my wishlist to Santa. I understand it's
not bug, it's in fact working perfectly, it's just restrictive and a
little frustrating.
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i also have this problem (Bug #11334)
is it possible to solve this problem on Ubuntu 8.04 ?
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I agree on that and I've never said it should work this way just because
Windows does.
I was just replying to Sarah Hobbs' comment.
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FWIW, even windows works this way (as in, once the source window is
closed, the data is lost).
Having glipper as a dep would solve this though.
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Why should it work this way? Ok, it saves memory, but out of 1GB or so,
a few bytes of text isn't going to do much. I think this bug should be
confirmed and marked as wishlist
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No, windows does not work this way - I just tested it.
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Well in the grand scheme of things, how windows works is pretty
irrelevant. This is ubuntu, which should work in the way that works
best, not just the same way as windows.
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Thanks Marcel :-)
I'll try
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glipper is a good solution/work around:
http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/Glipper
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Ubuntu QA guy Simon Law puts it like this:
Thank you for your report.
This behaviour has always been the case and is a design feature of X11.
You are describing SELECTION and PRIMARY buffers. They were separate and
have semantics that are both supported by major X applications. It is
unlikely
I confirm this issue as well.
From Daniel Stone answer I understand that this is no bug but the common
behaviour of the X clipboard?
Still I (perhaps not only me as I see that this bug is reported more
than once (see #36165) ) find this behaviour quite strange.
Perhaps I will get used to it but
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