[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

Addressing the challenge of non-deterministic SIM selection for mobile data in your Ubuntu-based system, especially when managing calls and SMS with ofono for your home automation and alarm system, necessitates a multifaceted approach. Firstly, ensuring that your ofono installation and the WIKO Rif

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

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[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: John McAleely (john.mcaleely) => (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** No longer affects: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications abo

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) => John McAleely (john.mcaleely) ** Changed in: ofono (Ubuntu) Assignee: Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) => (unassigned) -- You received this bu

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

Specification updated. Following Alfonso's and Tony's feedback, the rule no longer includes signal strength, roaming, or recalculating. It still does include locked/unlocked and 4G/3G/worse. ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status:

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Triaged => In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notification

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww21-2015 => None -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To man

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww17-2015 => ww21-2015 ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Status: Confirmed => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.laun

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

I am not clear on the plan to address this or not ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww13-2015 => ww17-2015 ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: Michael Frey (mfrey) => Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) -- You received t

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

@Pat The suggestion from Alfonso was to fix this via a new page in the first boot wizard which would ask the user which SIM they'd prefer to use for mobile data. This would only be displayed if the phone detected more then one inserted SIM. The general consensus from design was that this was les

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notifications

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: In Progress => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic To manage notificati

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Assignee: (unassigned) => Michael Frey (mfrey) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-de

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

I am assuming this is a settings oriented fix? Its still unclear ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww11-2015 => ww13-2015 ** Changed in: ofono (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Canonical Phone Foundations (canonical-phonedations-team) -- You received this bug n

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww07-2015 => ww11-2015 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic T

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Also affects: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) Status: New => Confirmed ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided => High -- You received this bug notifi

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Milestone: ww05-2015 => ww07-2015 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1379412 Title: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic T

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

Letting you use a phone without unlocking the SIM(s) is deliberate, on the grounds that it is still as useful as an iPod Touch. If people expect locking the SIM(s) to lock the phone as a whole, that would be a security problem, but as far as I know we don't have any evidence of that. Alfonso torpe

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

Regarding comment #14, we discussed your proposal. and both Mathew and myself both agreed that defaulting to non-selected also seems wrong. As you point out, someone that's inserted two SIMs into the phone is probably advanced enough to go to the settings and change the setting if they don't like

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

Although the proposal in comment #11 has merit, in the end what the user wants is *predictability*, not that some rules that he does not know about might be lucky and do what he wants. There are myriad of reasons that might make those rules fail and do not do what the user wants. What does someone

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

** Also affects: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided => High ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Status: New => Confirmed ** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

Also as an aside, I find it curious that we allow a user to use a phone if they don't know the SIM PIN ( via the X on the PIN prompt dialog ). Seems like a security hole to me. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bu

[Bug 1379412] Re: SIM selection for mobile data is non-deterministic

While your point about using "need" and "should" in a bug report is valid for most instances, this bug was originally created based upon a consensus in one of our network/telephony meetings as the only viable way to solve the underlying non-deterministic selection problem. Perhaps it should've have