Teej, I think these days we can assume assume that the vast majority of
users have the windows key on their keyboards and know how to use it (at
least to bring up their Windows Start Menu). No average PC or Laptop
sold within the last 5 years would exclude it.
How many keyboards can you find on
Discoverability for keyboard shortcuts is low so they need to be
intuitive and consistent.
A vast majority of computer users use Windows (Bug #1). Many of these
users will be used to this shortcut.
If we can make this keyboard shortcut act as the user expects it to,
without negatively effecting
Marking Incomplete.
Since you put it that way, I suppose I agree. It's really not me being ignorant
to the suggestion, I actually think if it could be implemented then it would be
helpful, albeit a bit lazy. Launchpad was never intended to hold idea
implementations, but rather bugs, which is
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 54024 ***
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WIN key SUPER_L should be mapped to Applications menu
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Guys, there is probably a simple explanation why this has never been
implemented. The main one being that NOT every Ubuntu user has a keyboard with
a Windows key.
Aren't we forgetting Mac users, SPARC system users, and anyone else with an
unusual configuration? I don't see how the WinKey can be
Not every Ubuntu user has a mouse with scroll wheel, so let's forget
implementing it. Sorry, Teej, but this argumentation is just silly.
I believe this key can be set in addition to Alt-F1 (so Mac users can be
happy) and be used *only when released*, so all super+key shortcuts
will work. This way
I am not getting into politics about Ubuntu vs. Windows, or Canonical vs
Microsoft, I have my own personal views, but as an OS, Ubuntu can only be so
much like Windows before we all get copyright infringement notices. Is the
Windows key patented specifically for Windows use? Does anyone even
Using Winkey for Applications menu by default is a good idea, but
default SuperF12 shortcut in compiz benchmark plugin will not work in
this case and needs to be changed.
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Expo is another shortcut that uses super and is part of the default
Ubuntu install (super+e).
Many compiz plugins use super+key shortcuts.
GNOME Do, a popular application, uses super+space shortcut.
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Windows uses the key for many shortcuts too, but pressing it alone
results in the start menu popping up (this is achieved by not bringing
up the start menu until the button is released, as opposed to responding
immediately when pressed). This is the most common use.
Would such a solution be
It wil result in changes in many applications using key events handling
code e.g. xneur and others i think. But may be I'm wrong.
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I posted a bug that was a duplicate of this one without having seen it.
Now that I've found it, I will reopen the discussion here. I disagree
with Teej's assessment that Ubuntu is not intended to be compared to or
mimic the Windows OS in any way and here's why:
- 90% of the world's
Ubuntu is not Windows, and is not intended to be compared to or mimic the
Windows OS in any way.
This is ridiculous. Windows simply does a better use of a keyboard, as Ubuntu
currently have a black hole in that area.
Completely *aside* from other operating systems:
I installed Ubuntu on my
How about this: Why should it NOT open the applications menu by default?
Can you think of anything better for that button? I also agree that the
context menu button should be for context menus, not for the
applications menu.
Finding every little way to NOT be like Windows is foolish. Why don't we
Ubuntu is not Windows, and is not intended to be compared to or mimic the
Windows OS in any way. Marking Invalid. This is not negotiable. Please place
ideas and suggestions for improvement for the User Interface in Ubuntu
Brainstorm http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ .
Thank you.
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In Windows, you have a much more generic menu. When the Windows-user
presses Super-L, is he looking for a file, the control panel or an
application? Does he want to shutdown the system? There is a very good
Vista menu clone for Gnome. Perhaps we should use that, because that's
the menu that most
Jo-Erlend,
Super-L is better than Alt-F1 because it is a single key, not a
combination key. Whether we like it or not, Windows has the largest
marketshare on the desktop. Even if that is ignored, we can simply be
pragmatic and look at the vast majority of keyboards out in the world.
Although
even if i know how to assign shortcut keys,
it'll be great if there's a default assignment. something that 'just works'
whenever i press the button.
it feels like home
just like you can press Ctrl-D on (almost) any browser on (almost) any OS to
bookmark.
and it just works.
and it feels
Have you ever seen the disbelief on Windows users faces when you tell
them there aren't any viruses for Linux? They're so used to it, they
think it's completely natural for an operating system to have viruses.
But it's not. The question isn't why Ubuntu doesn't have the same
default keyboard
I think you are looking at this from a completely unnecessary and, frankly,
foolish perspective.
Microsoft's Windows renders GUI applications into different blocks
(windows), each with their own externally controlled Close, Minimize and
Maximize buttons. The fact is, people expect this and it is
What are you saying, that everything Microsoft teaches is intuitive
because they teach it to alot of people? That doesn't make sense. I've
also never, ever said that Ubuntu can't look like Windows, I'm just
saying we should make good choices. If someone has never used a computer
before, will they
Super L is the name of WinKey. Menu is the name of the button between
Alt Gr and Ctrl.
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Super+L?
I am confused...
What is this?
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L and R usually represent Left and Right. My keyboard, for example, has
two super keys apart from a Menu key.
Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that Super is the name of WinKey.
But what is the L doing there, I don't get it?
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I know that Super is the name of WinKey.
But what is the L doing there, I don't get it?
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Ah, now I understand.
Super L refers to the left WinKey, ok.
I have 2 WinKey on my computer too.
How can you know my secret email? :(
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I'd call it a bug as making the Super L assigned to open Applications
Menu would add a usability plus to our Desktop
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Suggesting X or Y enhancement doesn't mean we want to mimic windows but
we want to enhance Ubuntu; in fact, I'm not fan of comparing Ubuntu to
Windows and Mac, in fact we are ahead of them and this status implies
accepting the change as long as it is in favour of our beloved users.
Five years
Why? If a change should be made, doesn't it make more sense to use the
Menu-button? If the primary goal of Ubuntu was to mimic Windows, then
alot of things could be done; we could use one panel instead of two,
with Slab instead of Menuline, and we could use a Windows XP theme to
make the windows
Ok, then please explain why Super L is a better choice as a menu-button
than the Menu-button? I don't understand it. The Super L-button has a
Windows-icon on it, while the Menu-button has a menu-icon.
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The Menu-keys is used for context-menus in Windows. Like right-click.
The Win-key can still be used for Compiz and other stuff, example if you use
Win-key + another key.
But if you only press Win-key, and no other button, it can bring up the menu,
on KeyUp event.
if(key=winkey
Fred... I don't understand that. You don't have to program anything.
Just open System Preferences Keyboard Shortcuts, and you can easily
configure your shortcuts as you please. No programming is necessary,
just click which action you want to assign Super L to and press Super L
to assign it.
I
Jo, The Menu key is already assigned to current application menu, just
like right click.
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No having it assigned to Keyboard Shortcuts would be bad, because most users
don't change things, or want to change things.
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I totally agree with Fred, most *NEW* comers wont know if assigning
functionality to a key is possible especially if they are used to
Microsoft Windows and the other *NEW* comers wont have this brilliant
idea even if they knew how to assign a key.
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Why do you keep talking about Microsoft and Windows? This tracker is for
Ubuntu. What if Microsoft decides to change the keyboard shortcuts in
another version; should we change ours too, to make sure Ubuntu still
feels like a cheap Windows-copy? Without mentioning Microsoft or
Windows, explain why
Hmm, true this is not a bug.
I just thought it was strange, me coming from a Windows world, that when
I press that Windows-key (or the other beside it), I am used to it popup
a menu, but now nothing happens.
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Here is a good reason to make it so: Discoverability!
People often come to Ubuntu and wonder where the Start menu is. If
they could press the Super key (Start) and have something appear, that
would mean they quickly learn what Ubuntu has instead. People must think
outside of the anti-Windows
I don't see the problem. This is easily configured using Keyboard
shortcuts. This is not Windows, and users should not expect things to be
the same. In Ubuntu, you can choose the button yourself, in Windows you
cannot. You just have to learn how to use the system. It doesn't take
more than five
It doesn't take more than five minutes to learn how to configure keyboard
shortcuts, but
it must be learned.
Why should it need to be learned?
Why make it hard for new users if we can easily pre-map a key to the
application menu?
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This will, most probably, not be considered a bug. There are ways to
make this happen. Please check out GNOME keyboard shortcut preferences.
If you still have problems, please indicate which release (feisty,
gutsy.. etc) you are using and steps followed before encountering the
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