[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-02-02 Thread Christian Reis
My question remains: what do you get with the current default of Internet Site that is different to No Configuration? For instance, do you automatically get outbound email working out of the box, i.e. if I install it and then fire up mutt and send a message to somebody @gmail.com or at, say

Re: [Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:52:00 AM EST you wrote: > Thanks Scott. Sincere questions: do you have any evidence users > appreciate the current default? I'm asking myself what is the use case > in which a user wants postfix to be installed, listening on all > interfaces and yet..

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-29 Thread Christian Reis
Thanks Scott. Sincere questions: do you have any evidence users appreciate the current default? I'm asking myself what is the use case in which a user wants postfix to be installed, listening on all interfaces and yet.. unconfigured? And thanks Robie. Yeah, I honestly had no idea that the option

Re: [Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, January 27, 2020 5:05:06 AM EST you wrote: > Hi kiko, > > > I have a highly customized set up, with vhosts, ldap, etc, and I > > installed the package first to be able to configure it, and immediately > after installed I started dropping email. > > Clearly this was surprising to you.

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-27 Thread Robie Basak
Hi kiko, > I have a highly customized set up, with vhosts, ldap, etc, and I installed the package first to be able to configure it, and immediately after installed I started dropping email. Clearly this was surprising to you. I would expect (knowing the behaviour) that in your situation "No

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-27 Thread Christian Reis
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[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-26 Thread Christian Reis
Right, I'm not suggesting leaving the postfix service off upon install, which would not fit the general model of Debian packages. I am suggesting the current behavior is not a good default, for the reasons I've already outlined. That could be fixed by defaulting to Local Only, or it could be

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-24 Thread Paride Legovini
What I imagine is that the bug submitter did want to configure a public MTA, so he chose the "Internet site" debconf answer (the "right" answer for his use case), and not "Local only". This led to a nonfunctional setup, e.g. because he has ldap users, and the debconf setup of Postfix supports only

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-22 Thread Andreas Hasenack
Hello Christian, thanks for filing this bug in Ubuntu. I think your point number 2 has been discussed many times in the past, and it's one of the opinionated differences between debian systems and, say fedora ones. In debian, the opinion is that services should be running with sensible defaults

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-22 Thread Andreas Hasenack
Hello Christian, thanks for filing this bug in Ubuntu. I think your point number 2 has been discussed many times in the past, and it's one of the opinionated differences between debian systems and, say fedora ones. In debian, the opinion is that services should be running with sensible defaults

[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-21 Thread Andreas Hasenack
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[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-21 Thread Andreas Hasenack
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[Bug 1860315] Re: Default installation should be Local Only

2020-01-20 Thread Christian Reis
** Description changed: At the moment, an apt-get install postfix has Internet Site as the default, which leaves postfix running and listening on all interfaces. I'm aware of some history around this, i.e. bug 29741, but I don't think that rationale actually makes sense. We should