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By the way, my Computer Janitor has just removed software-store.
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Bernhard b.a.koe...@googlemail.com wrote:
By the way, my Computer Janitor has just removed software-store.
That's correct. The package has been renamed software-center.
software-store is now a transitional dummy package that is safe to
remove.
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:49:55PM -, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
That's correct. The package has been renamed software-center.
software-store is now a transitional dummy package that is safe to
remove.
No, it isn't; software-store has been removed altogether, there is no dummy
package.
Maybe we should simply wait a little and software-center will probly
be automatically installed in one of the future updates.
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Steve Langasek
steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:49:55PM -, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
That's correct. The package has been renamed software-center.
software-store is now a transitional dummy package that is safe to
remove.
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- I do
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I've committed a change to make Computer Janitor not remove obsolete
packages unless they are also automatically removable. This will make it
miss a number of packages that probably should be cleaned up, but will
more importantly reduce the number of false positives.
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I'm am currently testing Karmic Koala Alpha 3, and this bug still
suggests that the Flash Plugin, which was installed willingly from a
third-party be removed. Now I know you might say that removing it might
be a good idea in the long run ( ;) ), but actually trying to remove it
causes some
Btw, I had another idea regarding the GUI, why not start the GUI without
administrator mode (no password prompt) and then show a suggestions for
removable packages. If the user really chooses to clean the suggested
packages only then there is a warning and password prompt. This should
give the
Before the explicitly-installed package tracking is implemented, how
about changing the wording in the GUI to make it more clear that
packages will be *uninstalled*, not just package files removed? Current
GUI reads (to me, at least) as if CJ will just remove .deb files that
were used to install
And please modify to have all listed packaged unticked by default.
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phenest, the residual config was planned for jaunty, but didn't make
it, so it'll happen for karmic instead. It is a good idea, although not
entirely risk-less.
CJ already separates between 'local or obsolete' and 'autoremovable'.
Jan, changing gdebi to whitelist packages would be a nice first
phenest, yes, the white list needs to be automated. This requires
changes to dpkg, which did not happen during jaunty, unfortunately.
Computer-janitor can't automate it, also unfortunately.
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I've always used Synaptic Package Manager for this purpose. One thing it
does, is separate 'local or obsolete' from 'auto removable'. Can/does CJ
do this?
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A further thought is the 'residual config' that Synaptic provides. This
would be a good addition for CJ. Perhaps you should have some buttons to
switch between the different types of cruft to remove.
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I think the suggestion in comment #8 to change 'gdebi' so that it
whitelists packages that are installed by it would help a lot?
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This white list needs to be automated. That is to say, installing or
removing 3rd party packages via Package Installer or dpkg should
automatically update the white list. This would be in addition to
unchecking/checking any packages in Computer Janitor.
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It might be the best heuristic we have at the moment but fact remains,
it is not acceptable behavior. Recently a friend of mine removed a lot
of manually installed packages thinking it was old settings for those
programs or something. A lot of people will suffer from this.
Until this is fixed, I
Bernhard, yes, that's pretty much exactly what happens: if a package is
no longer available in the package sources apt has, it's considered
cruft. That's the best heuristic we have.
The whitelist is already implemented, and has been for a while. It is
maintained manually by the user.
The state
The 'whitelist' is actually not created when the packages are unticked:
however, Computer Janitor does remove the unticked state, so that a
particular package only needs to be unticked once. This state is tracked
in /var/lib/computer-janitor/state.dat.
The whitelist is files in
Btw, I currently have deluge installed from the official ppa archive but
it's also suggested by cruft remover to be removed. This is something I
don't understand. I think it should not suggest to remove packages just
because I downloaded them from an unofficial archive.
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Aha, I just noticed that cruft remover suggests to remove a package if
you downloaded it from an archive and then remove that later from your
sources, eg:
1) add the deluge ppa to your sources
2) install deluge-torrent (then deluge-torrent is not considered cruft at that
point)
3) now remove the
The package is now default in Jaunty but this bug is not fixed. It still
wants to remove third-party packages?
Perhaps a way would be to let manually installed packages automatically
get into the whitelist but as of now, it should not be default IMO.
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I don't think that this can really be considered fixed until the feature
is exposed to the GUI. A novice user who will possibly end up removing
packages that they installed on purpose will not know to read the man
page and create a personal whitelist.
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The 'whitelist' is created when the packages are unticked although
it is not clear that is the case.
Having computer-janitor alone wouldn't be a problem as far as I can see.
For those that can make use of it's purpose but would rather not use
synaptic can use the CLI for it Having
Lars, when is this coming to jaunty?
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** Description changed:
Binary package hint: system-cleaner
Description: Ubuntu intrepid (development branch)
Release: 8.10
Package version: system-cleaner-1.10.3-0ubuntu1
Expected behavior: respect user decision and preserve explicitly
installed third-party packages
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Status: In Progress = Fix Committed
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Thank you for the info--I have created the white-list can report that
Cruft-Remover now ignores my extra debs also...works very well.
deb:godesk
deb:lightscribe
deb:lightscribeapplications
deb:4l
deb:bluemarine
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I've made new packages available at
http://code.liw.fi/ubuntu/pool/main/s/system-cleaner/
They are supposed to improve the situation with regards to third party
packages. Unfortunately, a proper fix isn't possible for intrepid, but
we'll work on that for jaunty.
I would appreciate any feedback
I have downloaded and installed the new packages from liw.fi and created
a personal whitelist in /etc/cruft-remover.d/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/cruft-remover.d$ cat personal.whitelist
deb:zattoo
deb:gitso
deb:virtualbox-2.0
deb:nautilus-dropbox
I can report that the system cleaner tool does
I understand the inherent difficulty in determining if a package is a
manually installed third-party package or obsolete as discussed earlier
in this thread. One additional detection the tool might want to do in
the future if and when it gets included in a release again is to check
if the package
Sorry, all I meant to suggest was that, in the FOSS spirit of standing on the
shoulders of giants
or even little guys in this case, for a Cruft-cleaner that performs as the end
users (everyone, not
just power users) would like, all that would need to happen is to code a gui
for a utility or
in the FOSS spirit of standing on the shoulders of giants or even
little guys in this case FOSS (vs Microsoft) spirit should be: giants
are standing on our shoulders!
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Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 (installed from i386 Desktop/Live CD) System
Cleaner / Cruft Remover removes all the packages that were NOT installed
by Synaptic:
1, OpenOffice.org 3.0
2, Solaris Nimbus theme
3, TrueCrypt
And not just the boxes, that held the installed programs but they were
gone/removed
I agree with more warnings.
I am wondering about the distinction between packages no longer in the
repositories and packages installed directly (from the .deb):
can't we just search the repos of previous releases and see if the package has
ever existed in them? If it has, then it's meant to be
Warnings ??
Shouldn't System Cleaner / Cruft Remover be just cleaning unwanted
stuff instead of removing/deleting packages/apps that are NOT unwanted.
And it removed 'em even when they were in use... like Nimbus theme and
OpenOffice Writer but still CR removed 'em.
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It amazes me the duplicative and competitive projects that occur in the FOSS
community.
A prime example is the gnome nm applet and wicd. Another is ubuntu-eee and
eeebuntu.
Again another is this Cruft remover and Ubucleaner. The author of Ubucleaner
has already
successful created a script
@stlubuntu:
Ubucleaner is a simplistic, non-user-friendly shell script that runs
some simple apt commands and deletes trash folders with no user
interaction. It runs three fixed aptitude commands and removes some
folders - and that's it.
Cruft-cleaner is targeted to less technically-oriented
I agree. Just installed Intrepid Ibex RC on Vmware Workstation 5.5.0 and
started system-cleaner right after boot. It shows a list of packages
which really cannot be removed. If common users use this tool they will
destroy their system :-( !!
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system-cleaner has been removed from the ubuntu-desktop dependencies.
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As Stephan wrote, system-cleaner (the package, the software having been
renamed to Cruft Remover) has been removed from the default
installation, for now. Much as it pains to admit my failure, I think
this was the right decision, and I was one of the people suggesting
this.
However, I'd still
Hi Lars, no failure, I read the wiki and the basic idea is ok, its just
not the right time. Some ideas to improve the user experiencie:
1) Tooltip when hovering a package displays some information like the one line
package description.
2) Make sure the user knows what the checked state means
Yes, I have seen worse failures. :)
I would still like to see something like system-cleaner on my system. I guess
many people just thought that it should be made clear to the users that this
might damage their system. Hence give more warnings.
My question would be why this system-cleaner/cruft
It's been discussed elsewhere that tracking packages deeply enough to
differentiate between locally installed ones and crufty ones is quite
tricky, and should be done later.
I spoke to Lars and suggested that in the short term (probably as a SRU
after release) there be a whitelist of commonly
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In the meantime, perhaps the message in the Cruft Remover window could
be changed from This application helps you to get rid of cruft to
something clearer along the lines of This application helps you to
identify and remove packages that might no longer be necessary. WARNING:
it is not currently
translations: To avoid the translation issue for the warning, you
could put up a picture of Freddie Krueger and call it crypt remover.
:-)
But seriously, every user can go through the packages suggested by the
remover and uncheck those that are not to be removed. Or maybe all
packages could be
This software is not ready for production. You open the system-cleaner
and you see a bunch of packages marked. No info is displayed, you don't
know what the marked status mean, and if you decide to press the
cleanup button, bye bye packages! no warning, no nada, cero.
As someone said on IRC:
Besides all of the above, auto-removable packages don't turn up in this
tool. Really, auto-removable packages should be all that's represented
here until we can figure out how to avoid removing intentionally-
installed software.
Idea 1:
Why not modify gdebi to record which out-of-repository
I think it is a really bad idea to include this, in its current form, by
default in Intrepid. It seems from the name like a typical system-
cleaner app that one might find and use for windows, but it could
actually harm someone's user experience by removing software they have
installed.
I
In my case it tried to remove webmin.
I know a lot of ppl dont like it, but it gets done I need.
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Unfortunately, there is currently no way for system-cleaner to know
which packages are obsolete (because they are no longer available via
apt-get), and which ones are third-party packages installed outside of
apt. Thus the bug is valid, but we can't fix it for now.
I discussed this with Michael
Nice and fair. I propose though that system-cleaner come with some kind
of warning so that users will know better than just click away and
regret.
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