[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2013-11-18 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gdm Status: New = Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 Title: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts To manage

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-09-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon Importance: Unknown = Medium -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-09-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-control-center Importance: Unknown = Medium -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-09-15 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gdm Importance: Unknown = Medium -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-04-20 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-control-center Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-04-17 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon Status: Unknown = Fix Released -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-04-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gdm Status: Unknown = New -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-04-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-control-center Status: Unknown = Confirmed -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

Re: [Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Pitt
Psy[H[] [2010-03-24 20:13 -]: Confirming. Problems described in comments #41 and #42 are fixed. Finally :-) Thanks for testing. There is a small misguiding interface glitch left: if you have defaultGroup key set to 0, and you press set defaults in g-k-p, defaultGroup becomes -1, but

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-25 Thread Psy[H[]
Checkbox: new window inherits layout of active window or something like that. In new gnome it is a curious frontend to defaultGroup key. Checkbox true = defaultGroup -1 Checkbox false = defaultGroup 0 And this checkbox does not update visually when set defaults button is pressed and sets

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-24 Thread Psy[H[]
Confirming. Problems described in comments #41 and #42 are fixed. There is a small misguiding interface glitch left: if you have defaultGroup key set to 0, and you press set defaults in g-k-p, defaultGroup becomes -1, but corresponding checkbox in g-k-p interface is not being updated. -- Wrong

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Pitt
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #613775 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613775 ** Also affects: gnome-control-center via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613775 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-24 Thread Martin Pitt
control center patch sent upstream. ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: In Progress = Fix Committed -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-24 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-control-center - 1:2.29.92-0ubuntu2 --- gnome-control-center (1:2.29.92-0ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low * Add 04_keyboard_layout_gconf_names.patch: keyboard: Fix layout gconf key initialization for empty variants. (LP: #460328) -- Martin

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-24 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gnome-control-center -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

Re: [Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
Psy[H[] [2010-03-22 22:26 -]: ...I was wrong: options with dups and tabs are correctly translated to console-setup, being stripped of garbage. But why such distorted syntax in gconf? Does it actually work with that syntax? If not, can you please file a separate bug about it, since it's a

Re: [Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
Psy[H[] [2010-03-22 21:35 -]: Why make g-s-d add defaults from console-setup to gconf? Add nothing until user applies something that differs from console-setup settings. I think that should work as well, yes. -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #613666 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613666 ** Also affects: gnome-settings-daemon via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613666 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: gdm (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: In

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
It gets fairly hilarious at this point to close/reopen gdm, I'm sorry. But we can't fix this properly in g-s-d without fixing gdm first, since gdm destroys the initially configured keyboard layouts from X and just pokes in its own selection (which is just a single layout). ** Changed in: gdm

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #613681 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613681 ** Also affects: gdm via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613681 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
*Phew*, it's finally working. I sent the patches to the upstream bug and will upload them soon. They now implement the suggested behaviour, as long as the gconf key is empty, it uses the system-level layouts. The key stays empty as long as you just switch between the layouts configured on the

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Thank you, much appreciated. -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gnome-settings-daemon - 2.29.92-0ubuntu3 --- gnome-settings-daemon (2.29.92-0ubuntu3) lucid; urgency=low * Add 08_multi_keyboard_layouts.patch: Default to system settings for handling multiple keyboard layouts. (LP: #460328) * Add

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package gdm - 2.29.92-0ubuntu4 --- gdm (2.29.92-0ubuntu4) lucid; urgency=low * 31-unify-power-strings.patch: Drop Shut Down → Switch Off hunk, still under debate. * Add 33-multi-keyboard-layouts.patch: Keep multiple system keyboard layouts for

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gnome-settings-daemon -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gdm -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Psy[H[]
Does it actually work with that syntax? Surprisingly, yes. -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Psy[H[]
Confirming: with empty gconf keys g-s-d now correctly takes settings from console-setup. When something is changed on user-level, only corresponding gconf key is being set. Others remain empty and work correctly. I've tested addition of custom options by adding compose key option, and noticed

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Psy[H[]
Wow! I've found another glitch! Check this: layouts key is empty, two layouts are set in console-setup. In my case us,ru If you select russian layout in g-k-p and press move up button to put in on frst place, then gconf layouts key will be set to [ru ,us ]. In this case those tab symbols

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Psy[H[]
In addition to second us, the defaultGroup spontaneously changes it's value to -1 from 0 This bug is far from being closed... -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-23 Thread Martin Pitt
Adding control-center task for the gnome-keyboard-properties issue. ** Also affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Lucid)

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Martin Pitt
Taking notes for myself, please ignore. I tested this in more detail, and gsd always sets the current default layout to what is in $GDM_KEYBOARD_LAYOUT, so this is already working correctly. Simple check which avoids logging out/in: gconftool --type list --list-type string -s

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Martin Pitt
*sigh* seems we can't get around fixing it the complicated way of supporting lists in $GDM_KEYBOARD_LAYOUT. If the gconf key is empty, the keyboard layout indicator does not work, and for me g-s-d does not take the settings from udev. ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu Lucid)

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Martin Pitt
/desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/layouts is [] empty - this is ok, because layouts are then taken from console-setup Everything works until reboot or restart of gnome-settings-daemon: How do you switch keyboard layouts then? -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Martin Pitt
OK, so how would this work: * We keep gdm as it is; gdm is responsible for picking _one_ layout which is the one used for entering the password, and the one which is active when you log into the session. * We fix g-s-d to read the system default layout(s) and add them to gconf * Afterwards

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Before Karmic, I didn't have to configure gnome at all (meaning, all the gconf settings were working fine if they were empty). Console-setup was configured to [us,gr], and X would pick it up and let me work with it, and allow me to switch layouts, no matter if I used an xterm, gnome, or kde

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Psy[H[]
Why make g-s-d add defaults from console-setup to gconf? Add nothing until user applies something that differs from console-setup settings. Let the layouts gconf key be empty until needed otherwise. I'm proposing the following g-s-d behavior: 1. setting present in gconf = use it 2. setting is

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Psy[H[]
also a glitch in lucid: when I set Xserver kill keys and layout switch keys through g-k-p, wrong syntax is being written to gconf key: instead of writing: [terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp:alt_shift_toggle] it writes: [terminate terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp grp:alt_shift_toggle] (duplicated

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Psy[H[]
after I manually correct all settings in gconf, apply systemwide button in g-k-p works fine: it asks for authorization and writes parameters from layouts, model and options keys to console-setup. summarizing problems: 1. g-s-d writes garbage to gconf (tab symbols, duplicated words broken

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-22 Thread Psy[H[]
...I was wrong: options with dups and tabs are correctly translated to console-setup, being stripped of garbage. But why such distorted syntax in gconf? -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Ubuntu QA Website
** Tags added: iso-testing -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Martin Pitt
xserver-xorg-input-evdev itself is fine, it just passes on the entire list to the udev property. So this is between gdm and g-s-d now, closing the -evdev task. ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: In Progress = Invalid ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-evdev

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Martin Pitt
I just tested current lucid with multiple layouts: [us,de,de\tnodeadkeys] gdm is meant to pick precisely one keyboard layout (the one you want to use by default), so we should not and will not support lists in gdm. (This is what I originally meant with multiple default layouts do not make

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Psy[H[]
what about situation when there are two layouts in console setup (for example us,ru) and gconf layouts key is empty? g-s-d is being started - what will happen? Currently in karmic gconf layouts key becomes just [us]. Shouldn't it remain empty? -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings

Re: [Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Martin Pitt
Psy[H[] [2010-03-18 16:41 -]: what about situation when there are two layouts in console setup (for example us,ru) and gconf layouts key is empty? g-s-d is being started - what will happen? Currently in karmic gconf layouts key becomes just [us]. Shouldn't it remain empty? It should only

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Psy[H[]
I may disagree. If empty = no override, wouldn't it be logical to leave it empty and use system-level settings, until user decides to set something explicitly for himself? In case of gdm, which is a system tool, not a user-owned profile, it is even more appropriate to follow system-level

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-18 Thread Psy[H[]
also if defaultGroup is set to -1 then there should be no visible dot in gnome-keyboard-properties. -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-17 Thread Paulus Esterhazy
bug #283128, which includes a patch (!), might be the same issue as well. -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-15 Thread Sebastien Bacher
bug #401497 and its duplicates could be the same issue -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-12 Thread Sebastien Bacher
the issue has been discussed on IRC, the multiple layouts is not a bug and required for non latin configurations which need to have both their layout and an us one to be able to type chars in the different alphabets they are using, gdm and GNOME should have the same layout list and allow switching

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2010-03-12 Thread Sebastien Bacher
** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High ** Also affects: console-setup (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided Status: Invalid ** Also affects: xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: High Assignee: Martin Pitt (pitti)

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-12-21 Thread Eric L.
Hello, I have a similar problem, but in my case it's the compose option which is ignored, in gdm, and in XFce4 and LXDE after (two different installations, same behavior). I fix easily the problem by calling setxkbmap -option compose:menu but it's a pain in the bottom. I attach a file showing

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-12-20 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Verifying this for Lucid Alpha 1. Please make gdm use a [Default] layout by default, one which simply doesn't write anything to /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/layouts, as opposed to using/forcing the [us] layout. -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-11-12 Thread Jennie Petoumenou
I am having the same problem with a clean installation of 9.10 in Greek. I used the workaround mentioned here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/401497/comments/20 (I think that bug #460328 and bug 401497 should be marked as duplicates). For the record, here are some

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = In Progress -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-30 Thread Bryce Harrington
** Changed in: xorg (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = New ** Changed in: xorg (Ubuntu) Importance: Low = Undecided -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-30 Thread Bryce Harrington
** Package changed: xorg (Ubuntu) = xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/460328 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Ah, /usr/lib/hal/debian-setup-keyboard is shipped by xserver-xorg nowadays, will fix it there. ** Package changed: hal (Ubuntu) = xorg (Ubuntu) ** Also affects: console-setup (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Hm, before I declare the console-common task as valid, I first need to check whether set system wide button causes this. ** Changed in: console-setup (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-27 Thread Psy[H[]
tab symbol appears only when changing layouts in gnome while /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd/layouts is empty, i.e. changing them after set defaults is pressed. If gconf keys are correct, then #2 is no more. Isn't it just a gnome's problem? To check set system wide, I've added third

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-27 Thread Traumflug
Martin Pitt wrote: So, having multiple default layouts in console-setup conceptually does not make sense. hal should filter them out and just set the first one. In case of Psy and me, this would pick up the wrong layout. us is the obsolete one, ru btw. de is the one printed to the caps of the

[Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-27 Thread Psy[H[]
Traumflug, what do you mean? Problem is - gnome leaves defaultGroup undefined (-1), but should set the first (0). Also, if gconf layouts key is empty, gnome should not put anything there, until user decides to locally override global settings -- Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings

Re: [Bug 460328] Re: Wrong keyboard settings when console-settings has multiple layouts

2009-10-27 Thread Traumflug
Am 27.10.2009 um 14:01 schrieb Psy[[H[[]]: Traumflug, what do you mean? I mean, if some software picks the first of two default layouts [us,de], it'll pick the wrong one. As Martin said already, having more than one default doesn't make sense anyways. -- Wrong keyboard settings when