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Thankfully Chromium (and Google Chrome) get this right, so I would
suggest people start using it instead.
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Please don't tweak status of wontfix bugs. if you want this feature
you should really lobby upstream and not with me.
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Of course we will continue to try to get this bug fixed upstream,
however as Mozilla are dragging their heels about this, Ubuntu has the
ability to make this simple change to their package so that at least
Ubuntu (and Gentoo who has already done this) users of Firefox will be
happy.
I won't
Seems like Ubuntu users generally support this as default:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9443/
We should decide based on what Ubuntu users want, not what Mozilla
thinks is best.
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The page up key provides a backwards scroll.
It would require only one hand to effect the back in history command if
it were tied to the backspace key.
- -Joe Baker
MadsRH wrote:
WOW, this is a very long thread! I would like to confirm this.
WOW, this is a very long thread! I would like to confirm this.
Now, I have not read all the posts here, but in my opinion enabling backspace
would make it more intuitive for people coming from a Windows(/MAC?) world. I
guess it's all about user-experience.
If ALT+LEFT/RIGHT is still enabled, I
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I'm glad to see that Gentoo already does The Right Thing by setting the
proper pref in their Firefox packages in order to reverse the decision
of the Mozilla developers to break standard behaviour and cross-platform
consistency. Now it's time for you, Alexander, to follow Gentoo's lead
and do the
Too bad, now I'll have to edit Firefox's about:config for every ubuntu
install I do... :-(
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we will not add a tweak for this.
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Yeah good luck with that. The Firefox developers and the Ubuntu Firefox
package maintainers have all proven that they refuse to listen to user
demands, and are going to require each of us to change our config
manually. I've all but
I submitted a patch to fix this (make backspace go back on ALL platforms) .
Please go vote for the bug so it gets in firefox 3.0!
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400518
Also, Ubuntu should consider patching their packages as this is a pretty
straight forward patch. No need to wait
Everyone keep trying, please. :-)
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Yeah good luck with that. The Firefox developers and the Ubuntu Firefox
package maintainers have all proven that they refuse to listen to user
demands, and are going to require each of us to change our config
manually. I've all but given up. I tried the exact same thing a year
ago, trying to
If you enter any data into a form, then accidently press backspace
and goes backwards, when you press forward, the data you entered is
still there. So there isn't any dataloss.
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That's really annoying.
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What if Volvo changed their car design so that you would switch gears
with the steering wheel? Sorry, but that's how #)#/¤/#¤ this is.
Shortcut keys like this one is a de facto standard.
Arguments about old time unix users is void because A) on Ubuntu there
is a lot more new linux users these
A more apt analogy would be changing the gearbox so that shifting into
reverse is the *same* as shifting into first, because as we know,
shifting into reverse while driving forward can cause some major data
loss. Then putting the actual reverse control not on the steering
wheel (where it might
Mozilla changed my original bug on reversing this, to On Linux,
backspace should do NOTHING, which was really irritating seeing as that
is not what I wanted at all.
Agreed. This is a really irritating non-solution. If they're concerned
about data loss, they should implement a solution that
I can confirm this is still present in the Gutsy release candidate.
Everytime my girlfriend uses my computer she complains that backspace
doesn't work, because it's the behavior that she's used to on Windows.
Opera, Internet Explorer, and Windows Firefox all have backspace go
back. Has anyone
Backspace doesn't work like this in Epiphany, but (according to its
developers) that's because they can't implement it, because GNOME
Gecko aren't compatible in the way they can intercept keypresses (again,
that's what I've been told by some Epiphany devs).
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Here's the Firefox documentation page which says that on Linux Backspace should
take the user back a page in history. Here's the footnote:
For this shortcut to work on Linux, use about:config to set the preference
browser.backspace_action to 0.
The Documentation link:
Alexander Sack wrote the following on 08/21/2007 05:15 PM:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 08:41:04AM -, Kevin P. Munn wrote:
I have read the commments, and arguements, both pro and con.
As an End User,, who prefers to keep things simple (KISS Disciple), Having
just one key to press is much
this is not invalid, but won't fix.
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ok, i added ubufox (the ubuntu firefox extension) package as a valid bug
target ... I will consider to enable the default backspace action for
users that have ubufox installed (which should be most as ubufox is
shipped by default).
I targetted this bug for gutsy tribe-6 milestone so I get
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 08:41:04AM -, Kevin P. Munn wrote:
I have read the commments, and arguements, both pro and con.
As an End User,, who prefers to keep things simple (KISS Disciple), Having
just one key to press is much easier. for me, and colleagues who HAVE to use
Ubuntu OS
This really needs to be fixed. I've been using backspace to go back for
years, both in Windows using IE, then Windows using Firefox, then Ubuntu
using Firefox, and suddenly it stops working? wtf? I think the dataloss
argument is an edge case at best, and certainly not justification for
removing
upstream has decided to finally switch to do nothing for the backspace
key instead of going back in history or page up.
In consequence this bug is not valid anymore. Rejecting it.
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Can't their decision be overridden for Ubuntu? Most Ubuntu users seem
to dislike this.
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On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:01:50PM -, Omegatron wrote:
Can't their decision be overridden for Ubuntu? Most Ubuntu users seem
to dislike this.
This is one of the decisions where you cannot make everybody
happy. In consequence we will follow upstream path for now.
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Please Ubuntu Developers, fix this bug.
It is very simple to fix and everybody will be happy :)
Do this:
Type “about:config” in the address bar of Firefox and press Enter.
'Filter' for ‘browser.backspace_action’ and change its value to 0 (zero).
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I request that the Ubuntu Firefox package be modified to revert to the
standard behaviour, even if Mozilla.org refuses to acknowledge the
general outcry for it.
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Vote for this bug if you support reverting the functionality.
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It wasn't broken, I don't see why it was fixed, and why so many users
of a known feature had to file or find bug reports to discover it. This
is precisely the sort of thing that ticks off Joe Average as well as
power users. Consistency should be considered a far more important
priority, IMHO.
I did read what you said and all I can say is that you must be a very
careful typer to lose more data to pressing Alt+F4 than to the backspace
bug.
After all it is a lot easier to hit backspace when typing than to click
the back button or to hit Alt+F4...
I'm going to withdraw from the argument
If you would read what I have written, you would know that I have got a
lot more data loss by those other keys than by the backspace key. Not
everybody has the same habits, so not everybody makes the same
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Arwyn, do you really want to disable all potantially dangerous keys and
buttons? Firefox would become completely useless very fast if you go
that route...
The possibility for data loss thing is a bug that should be fixed in a
general way that doesn't harm usability; e.g. by asking the user if
While I agree with the commenters that say there is are probably better
ways to fix this, from my perspective this is definitely a step in the
right direction. At least if I accidentally get outside the data entry
field and then I backspace I end up on a different part of the page
rather than a
@Jan:
All those buttons that can cause data loss and are easy to click accidentaly
should be removed. This is standard usability procedure, data loss should not
be easy to cause by accident.
That said, in FX this is the only one I've come across, if you know of
others, please tell me, so I can
Arwyn, your proposal doesn't fix anything, as accidentally pressing
AltGr+Backspace instead of AltGr+- or AltGr+$ or whatever other keys are
next to it on your keyboard would cause the same dataloss (actually
AltGr+$ = ] on Belgian keyboards, so this isn't an really uncommon
combination to press
Read my comments carefully, I have nothing against keys that can cause
data loss, sometimes that is the required behaviour. It would be a bit
troublesome if we couldn't quit a program when we wanted to because we
have changed some setting.
No, what I'm against is keys that make it easy to cause
Exactamondo.
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I think you've got it the other way round Jan, the avarage user will
benefit from the backspace = pageup and it's the hardcore unix users
that are currently complaining.
You avarage user doesn't use keyboard shortcuts, they use the mouse to
click the back button and so they won't notice the
What about Windows users migrating?
Most people I know use backspace in Windows in Firefox and IE.
Firefox is it's own platform; it runs on many systems. Why change
aboriginal behaviour?
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I personally had to use the hack. Especially on a laptop this feature is dreamy.
I was shocked to see it removed together with them killing the Auto search
feature.
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Firefox doesn't go back to the previous page if you press backspace while
filling out a form, so there is no data loss. And saying that shortcuts are
not meant for average users is denigrating.
Also, consistency is something that often improves usability, but not if
you use
Jan Claeys wrote:
@ Arwyn Hainsworth Firefox doesn't go back to the previous page if
you press backspace while filling out a form, so there is no data
loss.
to reproduce data loss:
1. start filling out a form
2. click somewhere outside the form (one can always miss a form field
while trying
Okay, you can have data loss if you make two accidental misses in a row,
one with your mouse, the other with your keyboard. It's much easier to
get data loss by making one accidental click on the back button or the
close button or by pressing Ctrl+W or Alt+F4, or ...
I think that Firefox should
Jan Claeys wrote:
And the new shortcut requires the use of 2 hands for many users that
don't use a US keyboard (if you have a US keyboard, try pressing
LeftAlt+LeftArrow, as many non-US keyboards have an AltGr key where
RightAlt is on US keyboards, to be able to access additional characters,
If this change was made to prevent data loss when someone mis-clicks a
form field, then backspace should just do nothing, right? Won't the
person be a bit confused/annoyed when the browser pages up rather than
deleting a character from the field? I imagine if nothing happened they
might quickly
@Brad Pitcher: Agreed, having backspace do nothing would be the best
default behariour. That way a misplaced click will not yield unexpected
results.
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I can also confirm this; although I found out about the about:config
hack, it still seems like the default breaks expected behavior. I think
the reason they changed it is that sometimes when entering form data,
backspace could go back a page instead of deleting a character as
expected - but are
It is annoying. Even en_GB keyboards have AltGr; I guess this is
especially annoying to everyone outside the USA. Fortunately, my hand
can stretch across my laptop's keyboard between the Alt and - keys,
but anyone with a smaller hand or bigger keyboard will be at a loss.
It's uncomfortable to me,
I was checking around to see if they would fix this, and, as Marius
Gedminas points out, they see this as a feature (and I started to
support that after reading arguments). Upstream won't fix this. I doubt
Ubuntu will fix it as well...
It seems this is when they changed the behavior:
I have read several of their arguments, and none of them are convincing
IMHO. Why do you think this is a feature?
In my opinion, if hardcore unix users prefer the backspace = pageup
behaviour, they can easily change it, as they are experienced users and
will find the way how to do it, but
Upstream changed the default behavior of Backspace on Linux builds in
Firefox 2.0 betas.
You can change it back by opening about:config and changing
browser.backspace_action to 0.
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I can confirm this.
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