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Title:
Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when
installing Ubuntu should be selected by
@willcooke - the technical board, and mark, have rejected this bug
report. it will not be reconsidered in ubuntu.
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Title:
Installer – The option
** Changed in: ayatana-design
Importance: High = Undecided
** Changed in: ayatana-design
Assignee: John Lea (johnlea) = (unassigned)
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** Changed in: ayatana-design
Status: Confirmed = Invalid
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@xnox; please don't change the status of bugs in ayatana-design, thx!
** Changed in: ayatana-design
Status: Invalid = Triaged
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** Changed in: ayatana-design
Status: Fix Committed = Triaged
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Status: Triaged = Confirmed
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Also remember to inform users of Adobe Flash Player EULA legal problems
. The Adobe Flash Player End User License Agreement prohibits reverse
engineering and more. Therefore developers cannot develop a competing
Flash player if they've accepted the Adobe Flash Player EULA.
See also
How about making it optional?
http://www.muktware.com/blogs/29/2011/899/here-solution-ubuntus-adobe-flash-problem
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Title:
Installer – The option
madarnie, it is already optional -- you can enable the third-party
software check box in the installer.
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Title:
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Martin, as I understand it the tickbox is indeed optional however at the
same time, such an important feature to the desktop experience and
importance to free software as well isn't a centre of attention. The current
layout makes it appear to be some daft, worthless EULA. In the blog linked,
the
For those interested, Jono wrote a piece:
http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/03/28/balancing-freedom-and-
functionality-a-design-challenge/
The post itself includes a highlighted screenshot of the installer
screen in question:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5568269623_e74672f3f5_z.jpg
The
I don't think the slider is a good idea.
- It's conflating two different things: 1) proprietary bits (Flash,
proprietary video drivers) and 2) free-but-problematic-because-of-patents (MP3,
DVD).
- It's simply not a scale: trying to weigh the usefulness is heavily dependent
on who is using
I think a YouTube player integrated on the ubuntu system with WebM
support, will be good :)
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Title:
Installer – The option to 'install
i think there's no need for this, as long as the browser (or system)
looks for the needed plugin (usually flash) and installs it when granma
wants to watch her grand kids's video on youtube or one of those social
networks.
So we have to make sure this is as easy as possible
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This is on the agenda for today's tech board meeting, at 1800 UTC on
#ubuntu-meeting (10 minutes from now)
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Title:
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This was just discussed by the Ubuntu Technical Board, and unanimously
(0 for, 5 against) declined. (Closing as opinion, as I cannot set
wontfix for the ubuntu-community state).
Ticking that box by default is by and large equivalent to always
installing the software by default, as it would now
Another reason for the flash part in particular this is that there is
an emerging movement away from Flash towards HTML5 and free video
codecs. We felt that we should support this movement.
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete = Won't Fix
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Thanks to the Technical Board for the discussion
(http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/24/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t18:02) - I
have set the bug to WONTFIX.
** Changed in: ubuntu-community
Status: Opinion = Won't Fix
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** Description changed:
+ Note: this request was discussed at the Ubuntu Technical Board meeting
+ on 2011-03-24 with an unanimous decision not to make. Full details can
+ be read on command #19 onwards and in the discussion preceding the
+ decision, which is available at:
+
+
** Description changed:
Note: this request was discussed at the Ubuntu Technical Board meeting
on 2011-03-24 with an unanimous decision not to make the requested
- alternation to Ubiquity, the Ubuntu installer. Full details can be read
+ alterations to Ubiquity, the Ubuntu installer. Full
Thanks all for the consideration, and I concur.
Mark
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Title:
Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when
installing Ubuntu
** Also affects: ubuntu-community
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Changed in: ubuntu-community
Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Technical Board (techboard)
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Paul referred to the Ubuntu UK Podcast discussion, in which I mentioned
I didn't think this was a good idea. I'd like to expand a bit more on
why, speaking as an end-user who uses Ubuntu because it's free software.
Benjamin pointed out, as we did on the show, that some of the packages
in
Enabling 'install third-party software' by default installs two
different types of packages by default: free, patent-problematic
packages (like gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad)
and non-free packages (like flashplugin-installer). Maybe we should
split those two types and
Part of this idea was proposed on the following Brainstorm entry, so
that could be followed up in parallel:
Make YouTube work right out of the box
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7526/
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The Ubuntu-UK podcast contains an interesting 15-minute discussion on
the subject.
http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/03/16/s04e02-stranger-in-a-strange-land/
http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/download/uupc_s04e02_high.ogg (30:05 to 45:45)
From a quick listen, some very interesting points are
Apple recently stopped installing Flash with Mac OS X.
http://daringfireball.net/2010/10/apple_no_longer_bundling_flash_with_mac_os_x
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Please consider that enabling by default might mean that Ubuntu provides
a toxic workaround which will decrease further the amount of time and/or
money put towards free implementations of flash. Which are still
required for people running PPC (Mac) or Arm ports of Ubuntu.
Unless Canonical is
This is a really bad idea. Installing the codecs easily would be fine
with me. Installing Adobe Flash is an awful idea. First, the license
for Adobe Flash is not even close to reasonable. You give up the right
to make proper backups of your system, for example. Second, Adobe Flash
exposes
Has there been any further progress on this, John?
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Title:
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Updated description
** Description changed:
Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when installing
Ubuntu should be selected by default
- [Please insert copious amounts of background and rationale here, or link
- to a blueprint containing such]
+ There are two issues
** Summary changed:
- Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when installing
Ubuntu should be selected by default
+ Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when installing
Ubuntu should be selected by default (aka make Youtube work)
** Description changed:
** Description changed:
Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when installing
Ubuntu should be selected by default, this would allow Youtube to work
- out of the box in-line with new-user expectations.
+ out of the box in-line with new-user expectations. This change only
+
** Description changed:
Installer – The option to 'install third-party software' when installing
- Ubuntu should be selected by default, this would allow Youtube to work
- out of the box in-line with new-user expectations. This change only
- proposes changing the selection of a pre-existing
Hi John,
Appreciate the response and updated bug description.
In terms of the legal side, can you provide more details around the EULA
discussion? I have never checked the third-party drivers box so I don't
know if it shows a EULA, but if not, would there be an expectation that
there would be a
Hi have spoke to Amanda and she says that this should be ok so we can go
ahead with this change.
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Title:
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Kate has expressed concern with this change and I've asked her to
comment here on specifics.
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Some third party software has licenses that are incompatible with GPL.
What are the licenses of the software that is being selected for auto-install?
We need to check that the terms of the licenses can be adhered to if the
3rd party software is installed by default.
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Also, changed priority of this bug, it does not meet the definition of
critical, it is a potential optimiziation not broken function.
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Also a point to raise, this will cause a default installation to differ
whether a network is available during install or not because ubuntu-
restricted-addons isn't on any installation media. Is that a concern?
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John, can you provide more information about how this change will
improve the user experience and bring value to Ubuntu? Right now I don't
feel I have enough of a handle on what this feature will bring to our
users.
Although this change is only a default checkbox being selected (and
assuming
Ubuntu ships in many countries of the world, and while Free Software is
intended to be unrestricted and open for anyone where-ever they are in
the world, we have traditionally relied upon users taking responsibility
for knowing about the situation in their locales when it comes to non-
free
** Also affects: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) = Evan Dandrea (ev)
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Critical
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