OK Leandro,
I just sent an email to Ayatana list with your mockup and presenting
the argument on the possible security flaw. Let us see how it goes.
However, I would not be very hopeful, it seems like people in
Canonical are convinced that the new behavior is good.
best,
Paulo
On Wed, Nov 18,
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 13:13 +, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
OK Leandro,
I just sent an email to Ayatana list with your mockup and presenting
the argument on the possible security flaw. Let us see how it goes.
However, I would not be very hopeful, it seems like people in
Canonical are
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 08:11 +, Lionel Dricot wrote:
Graeme the number of duplicates speaks for itself. But it seems that,
for some reason, no usability is involved in this bug
What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users
been ignoring the window which was popping
Disabling the updater daemon is now part of my installation routine for
newbies. (well, I'm still looking for someone that will find that
useful so I do it only when they tell me they have a bug with a window
appearing all the time).
Why disable it? Just use gconf and recover the old (and good)
mac_v wrote:
What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users
been ignoring the window which was popping up?
Why were they not updating when the window opened and dismissing it
instead?
On all computers I've installed Karmic (and Jaunty before) the
update-manager
As a personal sidenote, I want to add that, during the early discussion, I
was not opposed to the idea. I had a lot of doubt but it has to be tried. I
was kind of agnostic so let's try and see. Now, I can say that I've seen.
It's not a matter of personal preferences : it's a matter when user you
What is intriguing with Graeme's user scenario is, why have the users
been ignoring the window which was popping up?
Users ignore this kind of popup behavior because the internet, and viruses
do this crap all the time.
The same way you filter out ads online, in the store, on tv, wherever you
2009/11/17 Leandro leandromartine...@gmail.com:
Also, can you imagine the security absurd for a
unexperienced user which gets used to the system
popuping something AND asking for root privileges?
How easy is to mimic that with a website popup?
That is a major point. If there anyone can
Le mardi 17 novembre 2009 à 21:17 +, Paulo J. S. Silva a écrit :
That is a major point. If there anyone can mimic the pop-up behavior
using a website maybe, and I mean just maybe, we can get the
developers attention on this possible security role.
This should *NOT* be a developer
Lionel,
Whoever made the decision (in this case probably some usability
expert), will have to at least reconsider his/her decision in face of
a real security risk even if to confirm it later. In my email, please
read developer in a more general sense, as someone in the development
team who is
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 15:04 +, Rajeev Nair wrote:
Any user who knows the admin password can install updates,
That's a pretty long stretch -- assuming that all users have the admin
password. This is *exactly* the mentality that has lead to millions of
windows machines being exploited and
On lun, 2009-07-06 at 13:36 +, Chauncellor wrote:
A quote from my friend on his Mac's notification system:
I find the bouncy icon annoying and all, but if it weren't there I'd
probably never update. When it does bounce, I see all the updates and if
I don't use some programs in the list
I can certainly agree with and appreciate that. It is true that the
notification area in the average Ubuntu installation is nowhere near as
cluttered as the system tray in the average Windows installation, and it
is better to solve a problem *before* it becomes a problem rather than
after. I'd
In what way will the way the pop under change in the way it is
presented? It really doesn't matter how it is presented, if it pops up
in the users space it is going to be hated by most people. Media
center PC's, presentations, people doing real work will always find it a
huge annoyance if it uses
When I reported the bug I thought it might be a security issue and I
still think it might. In my case the window opened spontaneously and I
got notification of updates but when I closed that window without
updating and clicked on update manager to deliberately open the window
and check for
Just my 2 cents, but I consider we're going right into a wall if we design
intrusive tools, even if the intrusiveness (does this word exist ?) is
legitimate. Remember what about to Windows' UAC.
Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for
updates as soon as they're
Steve Dodier wrote:
Imo, it should be ok to use a notify-osd notification + a systray icon for
updates as soon as they're available, and to pop-up the window only on
extreme cases :
@ Steve:
The pop-up window seems like a reasonable option in the scenario's
you've given... But i feel that
I had been very vocal here opposing the change but i went with it...
And *even though it might not have been the intended purpose* for the
removal of the icon, *I have found the icon removal useful* ...
*Now I dont think much about the updates* , there is no icon nagging me
about the
Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
* When the user has chosen not to download updates , These
notification repeat again at a later
time[10mins/30mins/1hr/4hrs/1day/7days],which the user chooses from a
drop-down menu and if the user tries to shutdown before updating he is
reminded again via the
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