Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-29 Thread Nick B.
What is your test case? Are you sure this is the same bug? On Friday, August 28, 2015 01:21:14 AM Aaahh Ahh wrote: Back at it in Ubuntu 15.10 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to pm-utils in Ubuntu.

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-29 Thread Nick B.
What is your test case? Are you sure this is the same bug? On Friday, August 28, 2015 01:21:14 AM Aaahh Ahh wrote: Back at it in Ubuntu 15.10 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-29 Thread ethanay
For me, it's that the OS leaves insane hardware mfr defaults of hdparm -B=128 in place even on AC power. I believe this was fixed in 12.04 but is back for some reason in 14.04 for me... Installing TLP changes to B=254 on AC and retains the B=128 on battery (with the addition of clustering hdd

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-29 Thread ethanay
For me, it's that the OS leaves insane hardware mfr defaults of hdparm -B=128 in place even on AC power. I believe this was fixed in 12.04 but is back for some reason in 14.04 for me... Installing TLP changes to B=254 on AC and retains the B=128 on battery (with the addition of clustering hdd

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-28 Thread Brian Visel
Right? This is just sad. On Aug 27, 2015 9:41 PM, Ryan Waldroop 59...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Seriously? That's how many years? Come on! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Aaahh Ahh woohoomo...@gmail.com wrote: Back at it in Ubuntu 15.10 -- You received this bug notification because

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-28 Thread Brian Visel
Right? This is just sad. On Aug 27, 2015 9:41 PM, Ryan Waldroop 59...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Seriously? That's how many years? Come on! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Aaahh Ahh woohoomo...@gmail.com wrote: Back at it in Ubuntu 15.10 -- You received this bug notification because

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-27 Thread Ryan Waldroop
Seriously? That's how many years? Come on! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Aaahh Ahh woohoomo...@gmail.com wrote: Back at it in Ubuntu 15.10 -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 Title: High frequency

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2015-08-27 Thread Ryan Waldroop
Seriously? That's how many years? Come on! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Aaahh Ahh woohoomo...@gmail.com wrote: Back at it in Ubuntu 15.10 -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 Title: High frequency

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2012-02-05 Thread Brian Visel
(!) really? ..wow. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 Title: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime To manage notifications about this bug

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2011-05-04 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 05/05/2011 09:12, Adam Porter wrote: I've been getting some of these LinkedIn spam invites lately, but how are they being sent to this bug's address? This is getting ridiculous. Probably from Gmail contact lists. -- Kind regards, Loong Jin -- You received this bug notification because

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-06-13 Thread houstonbofh
ktulu77 wrote: Hi. I have a XPS M1530 and I have the strange HD clicks 1 or 2 times per minutes. I am on ubuntu 9.04 x64. I don't understand why this bug is marked as fixed. I don't understand what I have to do to fix this problem. The bug report is huge. What can I do to save my HDD

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-06-07 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
On Jun 7, 2009 10:00 PM, ethanay ethan.y...@gmail.com wrote: If the intention is to enable a apm setting of 128 when on battery, where is the rationale and evidence explaining how 1. it actually protects the hdd from shocks 2. it actually saves power 3. evidence (even anecdotal) of drives

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:18:43PM -, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: Well. I think that hdparm -B 128 is a too low value... This is the problem! I've set it to 200 and now I don't have an infinite number of head parking as before! Because setting it to 200 is defined to not permit spin-down. It

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-22 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
Well. I think that hdparm -B 128 is a too low value... This is the problem! I've set it to 200 and now I don't have an infinite number of head parking as before! you have to edit the files named 90-hdparm.sh in the directories and replace 128 with 200 /etc/acpi/ac.d/ /etc/acpi/start.d/

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-21 Thread Babyshamble
An educated guess: No, what happened is that your laptop's HDD wasn't affected by the bug? -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 04:52:42PM -, Lorenzo Bettini wrote: On battery the cycle counts is more than 100 per hour, is this reasonable? Is it reasonable: no, but I don't think we can fix the problem of frequent un-parking from any of the power management packages. -- Steve Langasek

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Bart Samwel
Nicolò Chieffo wrote: I'm on acpi-support 0.119 and pm-utils 1.2.2.4-0ubuntu2 When I'm on battery I hear very frequently the spin down noise. I bought my new laptop 1 month ago and the load cycle is 5180. Do you think I suffer this bug? Probably. But 5180 in one month is fine: that's about

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
Thanks for the information. Anyway I noticed that leaving for 15 minutes my laptop on battery (with 128 as -B configuration), the Load_Cycle raised of 15 (more or less). So I get one load cycle a minute (fortunately only on battery). Is this the same case of you? Why is my disk woken up once a

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Bart Samwel
Hi Nicolò, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: Thanks for the information. Anyway I noticed that leaving for 15 minutes my laptop on battery (with 128 as -B configuration), the Load_Cycle raised of 15 (more or less). So I get one load cycle a minute (fortunately only on battery). Is this the same case of

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
It's ok for me that my disk saves power while on battery, but I cannot understand why once the read head is unloaded, every minute it is loaded again. If the PC is idle who is causing the load cycle? There might be a process that every minute accesses the disk, which is not ok (in my opinion) --

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Bart Samwel
Nicolò Chieffo wrote: It's ok for me that my disk saves power while on battery, but I cannot understand why once the read head is unloaded, every minute it is loaded again. If the PC is idle who is causing the load cycle? There might be a process that every minute accesses the disk, which is

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Yung-Chin Oei
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Nicolò Chieffo 84ye...@gmail.com wrote: It's ok for me that my disk saves power while on battery, but I cannot understand why once the read head is unloaded, every minute it is loaded again. If the PC is idle who is causing the load cycle? There might be a

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-02-13 Thread Nicolò Chieffo
That's right, sorry. Yung-Chin thanks for the page. I will try to find out which is the process that accesses the disk. Bye -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-29 Thread SirLancelot
After latest acpi-support update bug looks like fixed on my 8.10 but with one exception. When I close my laptop screen disk start to load/unload cycles again. Is it a rule on laptop hard disk with closed screen? Is it Your idea to make something like protection of moving laptop with closed screen

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-29 Thread Bart Samwel
SirLancelot wrote: After latest acpi-support update bug looks like fixed on my 8.10 but with one exception. When I close my laptop screen disk start to load/unload cycles again. Is it a rule on laptop hard disk with closed screen? Is it Your idea to make something like protection of moving

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-26 Thread Adam Porter
May I suggest that anyone who still has issues and comments on this bug should include this information: Laptop make and model BIOS version Hard disk make, model, and firmware revision (available from smartctl) Perhaps we can discover a pattern of manufacturers or models which handle certain

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-25 Thread SirLancelot
Hi, This problem really exist on Ubuntu 8.10 and it's even worse than earlier because some packages was updated to fix this problem, some system files works different than earlier to fix this problem and effect of this fixes is that people simly couldn't solve clicking their hard drives because

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-25 Thread SirLancelot
Thanks Michał. For this moment only issue that really works for me in 8.10 is: 1/ sudo gedit /etc/default/acpi-support ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=true 2/ sudo gedit /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf http://wklej.org/id/44454/ Every other issues for me don't stop clicking even on AC. -- Pozdrawiam

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:13:26PM -, Isaac Dupree wrote: - hard drives seem to be quite uncooperative: there might not be *any* good way to tell one don't park any more often than X times an hour, In fact there isn't. Parking is handled by the drive itself according to the APM power

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-24 Thread Paul Sladen
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, ®om wrote: Last time, it parked about 400~500 times in 1 hour. That would be once every 7-9 seconds. Is it even parking spinning down that qiuckly? -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 01:05:20AM -, Cyberlion wrote: The bug solved, but the problem with the battery use is critical. And the HD is working in high temperature. There is nothing in this change that should cause battery use to increase. I think you should file a new bug report providing

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-18 Thread Ralph Corderoy
What if you set apm = 64 in hdparm.conf? Is it overwritten with 254 by the acpi-support script? Please file a new bug then, this one is already far too long... I don't know. Due to bug #222458 I manually process /etc/hdparm.conf a second time after booting has finished. awk '$1 ~

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-16 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 14/01/2009 Jakob Unterwurzacher wrote: For me (Intrepid+proposed), this does not fix the issue. Suspend to ram - resume gives me an APM level of 128. Jakob: how can you read APM levels? I think this is my problem too. Vincenzo -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-16 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Vincenzo, `sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda' and look for the line like Advanced power management level: 64 Some drives don't have `Advanced Power Management feature set' in their `Commands/features' list that's also in -I's output so you won't see a reading for it. -- High frequency of

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-15 Thread Bart Samwel
Hi Steve, Steve Langasek wrote: Ralph, Jakob, thank you for the analysis. I've prepared a new upload of acpi-support to hardy-proposed, and will work on fixing this for intrepid and jaunty shortly. ** Changed in: acpi-support (Ubuntu Hardy) Status: Fix Released = In Progress **

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:37:19PM -, Tormod Volden wrote: I have tested the 0.109-0hardy1 from hardy-proposed on a couple of laptops. (One had a count of 30, I had it running continuously on AC for a couple of months. Bad.) The count is now stopped while on AC. It increases on battery

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-09 Thread Adam Porter
I'm on Hardy and I've noticed that since installing the new package, the Start_Stop_Count on my Samsung drive has stopped increasing at all. Seems to work fine. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 21:50, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 02:33:04AM -, Michał

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-09 Thread Adam Porter
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 20:19, Nick B. nickbr...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, I think I found a regression. The proposed version of acpi-support seems to break resume from suspend only when invoked from Gnome-power- manager. On resume it seems to hang and the screen never turns back on. Downgrading

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 03:41:18AM -, Nick B. wrote: I am very sure. I've never had a problem with suspend on Intrepid. It's always worked perfectly. After updating acpi-support it doesn't resume properly after invoked from the power manager. I downgrade the package and it works fine

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:24:51PM -, Paganini wrote: Is there any hope, or am I doomed to watch my basically new hard disk chew itself up and die? If 'Advanced power management level' is correctly set to 254 on your drive, and it's still parking, then I'm afraid I don't see anything else

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-08 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 01:46:54AM -, Steve Langasek wrote: Thanks to all who have helped verify that this fix is correct for intrepid. Are there any users following this bug who are using hardy? Yeap ;) Since 8.04 is an LTS release, it stands to reason that there are some users who

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 02:33:04AM -, Michał Gołębiowski wrote: Are there any users following this bug who are using hardy? Me, for example. What could I do? Any instructions how to test this update? Thanks. :) The test case is in the bug description, and instructions on enabling the

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-07 Thread Babyshamble
I can also confirm that the Intrepid-proposed package it's working without any problem. The load_cycle at my HP 6720s laptop stopped the insane increase rage when using the battery power. However I still have concerns about the mechanism used to fix this bug. It would be possible that ubuntu devs

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-06 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Cesar, Cesar Arguinzones [2009-01-05 22:32 -]: I have same problem as endolith. But as long as my laptop is not having problems, i'm not interested in any type of logs. Is there a way to disable ALL logging in ubuntu? I'd strongly advise against disabling *all* logging, but you can

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 08:23:35PM -, Ciso wrote: So to check if the patch works what I need? Only the proposed acpi-support package and to enable by hand the laptop-mode? No. You need to install the -proposed acpi-support package and restart your system for the changed settings to take

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-06 Thread Adam Porter
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 15:06, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 08:23:35PM -, Ciso wrote: So to check if the patch works what I need? Only the proposed acpi-support package and to enable by hand the laptop-mode? No. You need to install the

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:21:22PM -, Adam Porter wrote: Just FYI, when I installed the package from -proposed, I noticed the postinst script restarting the ACPI stuff in /etc/init.d and saw it set the PM mode then. Is a restart still necessary? Oh, I didn't think about this aspect. Yes,

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Adam Porter
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 05:23, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: The laptop-mode-tools in hardy already uses 254 by default, so no further upload of that package is needed in hardy. Does that mean that all Hardy users need to do to fix this is to enable laptop mode on AC and

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 01:41:28PM -, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I see that the new value is 254 from 128. An earlier suggestion had been 192, which seemed to work for me as well. Can anyone comment on the consequence of 192 vs 254? All that I have come across so far is

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 11:50:22AM -, Adam Porter wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 05:23, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: The laptop-mode-tools in hardy already uses 254 by default, so no further upload of that package is needed in hardy. Does that mean that all Hardy

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Hanno Stock (hefe_bia)
Nick B. schrieb: What about cases where the 254 setting causes the hard drive to become very warm? On my laptop an hdparm value of 254 causes the hard drive to reach temperatures of around 50°C which is too high. Disabling laptop- mode allows the drive to operate in its normal range somewhere

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Adam Porter
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 06:10, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 11:50:22AM -, Adam Porter wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 05:23, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: The laptop-mode-tools in hardy already uses 254 by default, so no

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Adam Porter
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 14:38, Endolith endol...@gmail.com wrote: But then it suffers from the unload cycles. Is there another solution to this? Can't we just let the hard drive park and then stop writing to it for a while so it doesn't spin back up again? The main problem app for writing to

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-05 Thread Cesar Arguinzones
I have same problem as endolith. But as long as my laptop is not having problems, i'm not interested in any type of logs. Is there a way to disable ALL logging in ubuntu? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Adam Porter launch...@alphapapa.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 14:38, Endolith

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2009-01-03 Thread hyperair
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 15:16 +, hanciong wrote: helo. after I use smartctl command, there is no min/max temperature. here is the result: hanci...@hanciong-laptop:~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | egrep '(Load_Cycle_Count|Temperature)' 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 189 189 000 Old_age Always

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-12-28 Thread Sambit Bikas Pal
I had made a post here - http://www.botcyb.org/2008/12/linux-hard-disk-issue-excessive.html on the issue of excessive load cycle count. You may have a look at it if you wish. On 29/12/2008, Alexey Borzenkov sna...@gmail.com wrote: Hanno, I don't really remember, but I think back when I was

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-12-28 Thread Bart Samwel
Hi Alexey, Alexey Borzenkov wrote: Hanno, I don't really remember, but I think back when I was investigating problems with my Samsung drive I found that iotop didn't show all the interesting values and was patching it to be more precise. Also, please be aware, that querying smart will always

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-25 Thread Tore Anderson
* Alvaro Kuolas We need a centralized Power Management support. Yep. Status quo is chaotic. Maybe this could be used? Never looked closely at it, though. http://lesswatts.org/projects/power-policy/ -- Tore Anderson -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-24 Thread Ryan Waldroop
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:31 +, DGMcCloud wrote: What would be a good solution is to have a disk head parking time (the idle time needed for the disk heads to park) which is configurable. However, at least on my Hitachi drive, this can't be done. Setting APM to 191 uses the same timing as

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-13 Thread ramas
Btw I experience clicks also under Windows Vista...I have a Dell Inspiron 6400 -- Saluti, Sergio -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs,

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-10 Thread hyperair
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 15:38 +, Guillermo Pérez wrote: Last attachment from der64hva3 is malware! That should be pretty obvious. You're free to click it anyway, it's harmless if you use Ubuntu (and you should be ;) Anyway I've informed the guys at #launchpad so it should be removed pretty

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-10 Thread Bart Samwel
bojo42 wrote: @angel chen: good question. i'm somewhat confused by that, but when laptop mode is disabled in general in /etc/default/acpi-support then logically it shouldn't be enabled by default on battery either. but you could you tell me how you started laptop mode when cat

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-03 Thread Babyshamble
Great idea erythrocyte I want to reply to AndrewLueckehttp://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/AndrewLuecke/but I don't have an user... I think that he's misleading the main issue here. Yes, it's a generic bug, but Canonical: We need an official statement on something that's very important

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-03 Thread dimovnike
just installed ubuntu intrepid - and again HDD clicks are going crazy :( does anybody know if this is going to be fixed ? On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:38 PM, foucault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I use my laptop almost the entire time on battery power. I bought one of this small, long-lasting

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-02 Thread SirLancelot
For me best solution in Hardy was: Put: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12024037/90-hdparm.sh In: /home/[User_name] And next: sudo install 90-hdparm.sh /etc/acpi/resume.d/ sudo install 90-hdparm.sh /etc/acpi/start.d/ sudo install 90-hdparm.sh /etc/acpi/ac.d/ sudo install 90-hdparm.sh

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-11-02 Thread SirLancelot
I have enabled all options that You described. I have enabled all settings from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement And: # # Idle timeout values. (hdparm -S) # Default is 2 hours on AC (NOLM_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=7200) and 20 seconds # for battery and for AC with laptop mode on. #

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-29 Thread Bart Samwel
Milan wrote: Igor: AFAIK, laptop-mode is not enabled by default. You need to tweak /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf and switch the ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE_ON_BATTERY option so that CONTROL_HD_POWERMGMT=1 really takes effect. So the bug does not come from here. The problem is that the acpi-support

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-28 Thread Ryan Waldroop
It's all user definable, as described in this thread. I personally have mine set at 254 whether it's on AC or not, and my battery life/temperature is doing fine. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-27 Thread thebrotherofasis
Thanks for the info, I have a hp dv6645us, running the ugly fix in 8.04, and I think I will stay with it until april 09, to see if it's really fixed then. Many people have reported this is not fixed, as opposed to what they say in launchpad. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Igor Vatavuk

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-27 Thread Babyshamble
I got it fixed in a HP 6720b with a fresh install of Intrepid and with laptop_mode on acpi properties. Did you enable it? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Igor Vatavuk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am still affected by this bug in the fresh install of Intrepid RC, this bug is not fixed! Hdparm

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-27 Thread thebrotherofasis
Did it fix it even after suspending / hibernating on battery? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Babyshamble [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I got it fixed in a HP 6720b with a fresh install of Intrepid and with laptop_mode on acpi properties. Did you enable it? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Igor

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-27 Thread Babyshamble
Confirmed to be fixed with AC power but not with Battery Notebook HP 6720s On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Ciso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same problem with my Dell XPS M1330. In windows it works good :( -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-08 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 08/10/2008 alle 14.44 +, Felipe Figueiredo ha scritto: thanks for that. Could you (or anyone) summarize what's *not* fixed/worked around in this release? Thinking of a fresh intrepid install, what's left for the user to do? Please also state in which daily image the fix

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-08 Thread Ryan Waldroop
@ Felipe: Actually, with further testing, my laptop appears to be fixed while on AC power, but it's still cycling a lot on battery. The wiki page linked in the opening bug post has a three step process to check if everything is fixed and change the values if you like. For me, I didn't want

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-08 Thread Bart Samwel
Ryan Waldroop wrote: @ Felipe: Actually, with further testing, my laptop appears to be fixed while on AC power, but it's still cycling a lot on battery. The wiki page linked in the opening bug post has a three step process to check if everything is fixed and change the values if you like.

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-08 Thread Bart Samwel
Przemysław Kulczycki wrote: Why is acpi-support still used in Intrepid? Shouldn't Ubuntu use pm- utils only by now? The acpi-support package has two functions. One is suspend, the other is to translate hardware specific events into generic ones (such as custom keys). I'm considering a

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-04 Thread Ryan Waldroop
I just (finally) upgraded to Intrepid on my IBM T41 laptop. I went like 10 minutes without any LOAD_CYCLE_COUNT increases, and thought this had actually been fixed. Then I checked again 5 minutes later and it jumped up by 17. Now I'm looking at a steady 3-4 load cycles per minute on battery,

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-10-04 Thread hyperair
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:01 +, Ryan Waldroop wrote: I just (finally) upgraded to Intrepid on my IBM T41 laptop. I went like 10 minutes without any LOAD_CYCLE_COUNT increases, and thought this had actually been fixed. Then I checked again 5 minutes later and it jumped up by 17. Now I'm

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-09-25 Thread Ryan Waldroop
I definitely experienced this bug with my laptop in Gutsy. Some people may have had this problem in Feisty as well. The bug is also *technically* present in Windows...except Windows is too busy constantly polling the hard disk to let it idle even for a second. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:24 AM,

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-08-20 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 20/08/2008 alle 03.48 +, Endolith ha scritto: If your product is destroying users' hardware, this should be a TOP priority for fixing. If you're not going to fix it, the very least you could do is include a script that checks for inordinate numbers of load cycles, warns

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-07-07 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
I have not followed the whole thread. Right after installing hardy, I was about to send my laptop to repair because I was experiencing random deadlocks with high temperature. Then after some upgrade the problem vanished and indeed I had the symptoms of this bug. So the question is: has this bug

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-07-07 Thread Ryan Waldroop
The problem is that this bug was definitely present in Gutsy, and possibly Feisty. So telling someone not to upgrade won't necessarily help them. If you are providing Tech Support for someone, I would say it is safe to upgrade to Hardy, but you need to go ahead and check their load/unload cycles

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-07-07 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 07/07/2008 alle 12.46 +, Ryan Waldroop ha scritto: if necessary, apply the fixes posted here. Ok, thank you for the clarification. And the fact that I saw this fixed by an upgrade on a laptop of my own does mean that some measures have already been taken? -- High frequency

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-06-27 Thread houstonbofh
Gabor CZIGOLA wrote: I can not believe that it is normal for a basic, non-enterprise disk to overheat, not even when it is permanently used. If disabling power management causes any other issue than decreased battery life by max. 5%, then this is obviously some disk/firmware related bug.

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-06-07 Thread Noiano
I have bought a new laptop and I have installed both ubuntu and fedora core 9. On ubuntu I immediately installed the fix ( the one starting by if on power; then..) but on fedora I did not. I noticed a lots of «clicks» using fedora and the number of head parkings increased. Is Fedora Core affected

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-06-07 Thread Noiano
Mark Baas wrote: The same fix is the pm-utils fix (hardy), then yes you can use the same files. Begging your pardon I didn't not understand. On ubuntu I use this fix: #!/bin/bash if on_ac_power; then # on AC so don't do any head parking hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda # you might need 255 or a

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-13 Thread Bart Samwel
Alexey Borzenkov wrote: Also, more on laptop-mode. In config file comments I've seen that it is disabled by default (and it seems devs tried to make it not so obvious how to really enable it), because it causes odd hangs on some computers. What sort of hangs are we dealing with? If this was

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-08 Thread Bart Samwel
Akshay Srinivasan wrote: Brian :- About your fix :- Creating a new file , didn't really do any disk operation - atleast not immediately - so this means laptop-mode is actually working. Paradoxically , firefox some how does instantaneous write operations- laptop-mode fails to work

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-07 Thread Brian Visel
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 11:33 +, Åskar wrote: No fix mentioned here works for me..my harddrive is still slowly dying with about 5 loadcycle increased every 10 seconds! If *no* fix works for you, and your count is increasing that quickly, use this script (this really *is* a dirty fix). [code]

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-07 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
Brian :- About your fix :- Creating a new file , didn't really do any disk operation - atleast not immediately - so this means laptop-mode is actually working. Paradoxically , firefox some how does instantaneous write operations- laptop-mode fails to work here. Is there anyway one can

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-05 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
Did anyone bother trying my script? -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-02 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
I finished writing a simple Shell script for monitoring the disk-head activity.Once started , it beeps if the number of parks exceed a preset limit , within the given interval of time.You need to have beep installed for it to work. P.S : - Running smartctl usually brings the disk out of idle ,

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-01 Thread Brian Visel
Nothing seems to be working in hardy where it worked in gutsy. so i am still entering hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda manually after each resume from suspend or hibernate. There are limitations to the /etc/pm/xx/disk solution. If I have time, I'll spend some of it to improve it. ..erh, that is,

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-01 Thread Brian Visel
Good info! It shouldn't be too difficult to include a script that monitors the system for the bug, to be run by cron, then notifies the user, providing an option to automatically disable power management on the disk if so. I could do that. Is there a way I could get it published, if I did make

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-05-01 Thread houstonbofh
Brian Visel wrote: Good info! It shouldn't be too difficult to include a script that monitors the system for the bug, to be run by cron, then notifies the user, providing an option to automatically disable power management on the disk if so. I could do that. Is there a way I could get it

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-04-29 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
Is this really a bug with Ubuntu - Linux in general. As far as I've observed , this seems to be inherent to the Hard disks. I'm guessing these parameters were set , keeping Windows in mind. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-04-29 Thread thebrotherofasis
Well... I do think that if this issue were given a serious solution, many laptop users would not hesitate to install ubuntu on their machines. I am an average user, as most people out there, and many people would get confused about having to run special commands to fix this issue. Moreover, they

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-04-29 Thread Brian Visel
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 18:40 +, unggnu wrote: I don't think this is a general Linux problem. I had this under Windows XP too. I don't care whose problem it is -- if we can do something about it, we should. ..at the very least we should expose users to it and allow them to choose, in a

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-04-29 Thread Brian Visel
Vast parts of the system's structure are 'just scripts'. I just want a fix that is all i do not want some scripts ..there are properly-created scripts available for hardy. I can post them here, if it's of use (and likely to be used by the bug fixers). I can send them to you personally if you

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-04-29 Thread Ryan Waldroop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been trying to keep my personal opinions in this matter to myself, as this is not a forum for discussion but rather a place for work. Instead of work being done to actually *fix* the problem, all I've been reading are thinly veiled threats

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