[Bug 728017] Re: xwindows over ssh causes instability

2011-10-07 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Thomas Thurman (marnanel)

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[Bug 728017] Re: xwindows over ssh causes instability

2011-10-17 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 157627] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in free()

2007-10-27 Thread Thomas Thurman
Is this repeatable?

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[Bug 294144] Re: metacity coredump if executed from root account

2008-11-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 258074 ***
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Thank you for reporting this bug.  This happened because your root
account did not have GConf set up correctly; the bug has recently been
fixed.

What were you expecting sudo metacity /mnt/ to do?

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[Bug 294144] Re: metacity coredump if executed from root account

2008-11-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 258074 ***
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I think you may be confusing metacity with nautilus.  Metacity can't
take a filename; it operates on the display as a whole.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Thurman
®om: sorry, I'm missing the relevance of your comment.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Thurman
I'm still bewildered.  Someone reports a crash in Metacity.  Someone
else says he doesn't use Metacity (so what?).  And now you point to a
crash in consolekit.  I can only see the relevance of the first one.
Sorry if I'm being stupid.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Thurman
Then this can't be a Metacity problem.  Metacity doesn't use ConsoleKit
or DBus.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Thurman
Please, please, please, tell me what this has to do with Metacity.  I
didn't see a mention of Metacity anywhere in your reply.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Thurman
Metacity never does any authentication with anyone, never has, never
will.  I'm closing this bug; I think you may wish to raise another bug
against the session manager, rather than a window manager.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-18 Thread Thomas Thurman
(Okay, I won't close it, because the apport trace appears to contain a
genuine Metacity crash.  The comments here don't make much sense to me,
though.)

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[Bug 281403] Re: Sessions not saved in Sessions Preferences

2008-10-10 Thread Thomas Thurman
This is a matter for gnome-session, not metacity.

** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: metacity = gnome-session

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[Bug 269670] Re: Metaciy Compositing Panel Shadow (intrepid)

2008-10-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
Can you reproduce the problem and then tell me what gconftool -g
/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager prints?  Thanks.

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[Bug 266929] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()

2008-10-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
Is this actually a dupe of #258074?

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[Bug 258074] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in mouse_button_mods_handler()

2008-10-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
This happens because:

1. When a GConf key does not exist, its value is null.
2. mouse_button_mods_handler(), which is the handler for the key 
/apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier, calls 
meta_ui_accelerator_parse() with the value of that key.
3. meta_ui_accelerator_parse() immediately deferences that value, which may be 
null.  Optimisation may cause this to appear as though it had happened within 
mouse_button_mods_handler().

The solution is to make mouse_button_mods_handler() ignore the value if
the key is missing.  I've just committed this upstream.

The more interesting question is why on earth this key was missing for
you in the first place.

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[Bug 290492] Re: incorrect keybinding displayed: /apps/metacity/window_keybindings/activate_window_menu

2008-10-28 Thread Thomas Thurman
activate_window_menu is unrelated to the window menu coming up with
alt+right click.  The text is not incorrect.  On my system, disabling
activate_window_menu makes no difference to alt+right click.  If it
does on your system, that is a bug.

I suggest you change /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier to
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[Bug 37214] Re: [dapper] metacity does not respect /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier properly

2008-04-20 Thread Thomas Thurman
Marking as fixed upstream, then.

** Changed in: metacity
   Status: New = Fix Committed

** Changed in: metacity
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[Bug 54410] Re: desktop switching issue

2008-04-20 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Changed in: metacity
   Importance: Undecided = Unknown
 Bugwatch: None = GNOME Bug Tracker #529123
   Status: New = Unknown

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[Bug 102787] Re: Metacity button_layout ignored

2008-04-20 Thread Thomas Thurman
Neil:  Do note that this is a bug against Metacity.  Whether Compiz
understands the settings is a matter for Compiz, and you should probably
have a separate bug for that.

** Changed in: metacity
   Importance: Undecided = Unknown
 Bugwatch: None = GNOME Bug Tracker #529125
   Status: New = Unknown

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[Bug 218296] Re: [hardy] window sizes not saved across sessions

2008-04-20 Thread Thomas Thurman
You will have at least one of: a directory called ~/.metacity/sessions/
, and a directory called ~/.config/metacity/sessions/ .  What I would
like you to do is to find the one that has the timestamp from when you
logged out in this experiment (run it again if you need to), check it to
make sure it doesn't have any sensitive information in it (the names of
windows will be the only such possible thing), and then attach it to
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[Bug 218296] Re: [hardy] window sizes not saved across sessions

2008-04-20 Thread Thomas Thurman
Sorry, thought error.

In those two directories there will be many files with the extension
.ms.  What I would like you to do is to find the one that has the
timestamp... etc.

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[Bug 220306] Re: screem fails to launch at first time

2008-04-21 Thread Thomas Thurman
Thank you for your bug report.  When you say at first, do you mean
within a session?  If you log out and then log back in again, does
screem report an error the next time and then not until you log out once
more?  Or do you have to restart your computer?

Is this effect reproducible every time?

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[Bug 176892] Re: Search box out of focus when tray icon clicked

2008-03-22 Thread Thomas Thurman
Sorry to be slow here, but what's the name of the executable of the
tracker applet?  I don't seem to have anything on the add applets
dialogue of this machine (running gutsy) that looks like it would be
called that in English.  Does this exist only in hardy?  I'll upgrade if
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[Bug 197761] Re: [hardy] firefox3 siezes focus when loading a page via liferea

2008-03-22 Thread Thomas Thurman
Is this the same as http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482354 ?

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[Bug 150721] Re: [Gutsy Beta] .xsession-errors: 'Failed to read saved session file'

2008-03-23 Thread Thomas Thurman
Yeah, I think this is a gnome-session thing.  Moving over to them
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[Bug 35876] Re: 'Downloading package information' and 'building dependency tree' progress dialogs steal focus

2008-03-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
Have you tested with trunk and confirmed it still does this?

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[Bug 35876] Re: 'Downloading package information' and 'building dependency tree' progress dialogs steal focus

2008-03-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
I should note that, although I don't know the specifics of the problem
and so I can't say whether it's been fixed, Robert's answer is certainly
not the whole truth.  Metacity has no way of knowing whether a window
needs input.

Metacity policy (and also the policy of any other sane WM, as Bogdan
mentions) is that applications should never be able to steal focus.
When a window attempts to steal focus, we intercept it and blink the
icon on the taskbar, much as Windows does.  Application authors often
think this is a bad idea, and try to figure out ways of stealing focus,
so we're always having to find new ways to stop them.  (Of course, there
are also bugs in our prevention mechanisms to fix.)  It is possible that
you have found a case where an application can steal focus; if so it is
important it's fixed.  Focus stealing is an important matter to us,
almost as important as crashes, and I will make it a priority to fix
things if you can give me a reproducible case we agree is a problem.

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[Bug 35876] Re: 'Downloading package information' and 'building dependency tree' progress dialogs steal focus

2008-03-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
So it's not just existing windows raising themselves, or newly-created
transients of existing windows: even newly-launched applications
shouldn't appear over the top of the current one?  What about if, say, I
choose them from the Applications menu; should they steal focus then?

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[Bug 35876] Re: 'Downloading package information' and 'building dependency tree' progress dialogs steal focus

2008-03-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
Wouter: I still don't have a concrete understanding of what in the
meantime means. Clearly you mean that if focus hasn't changed, and no
keyboard activity has occured, between time A and time B, the new window
should not get focus. Time B is presumably the time when the window
appears on the screen.  What is time A? Is it launch in the sense of
[1]? If so, you realise that that doesn't apply in the sleep 8; gtk-
demo case given above? What should be done in that case?

[1] http://standards.freedesktop.org/startup-notification-spec/startup-
notification-latest.txt

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[Bug 35876] Re: 'Downloading package information' and 'building dependency tree' progress dialogs steal focus

2008-03-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
last click was on the panel's menu window, which doesn't exist anymore

That isn't the way menus work, though; you can see this with the menus
of any application.  The case you mention in your first footnote is in
fact the general case for all menus-- they always give focus back to
where it came from.  Anyway, we generally try not to have cases where
*nothing* has focus.  It makes the keyboard rather useless and confuses
accessibility.

For what it's worth, if you open the new application with the panel
menus, we do know the launch time because of the startup-notification
system.

It's an interesting idea to use process creation time as point A.
Note, though, that it's not windows belonging to the same kernel process
as such but windows which are marked in X as belonging with one another;
you could imagine having one Java virtual machine process for the whole
system running several applications.

I will think and confer and consider the other points.

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[Bug 199402] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()

2008-03-27 Thread Thomas Thurman
Looks like a Metacity problem to me, not a kernel problem.

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[Bug 106903] Re: error message when gnome-alsamixer is launching

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Debdiff attached.

** Attachment added: Debdiff of the patch attached to the GNOME bug
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12966031/bar

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[Bug 199402] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
I am attempting to reproduce the problem.  I haven't looked at the stack
traces yet.

Bug #204882 is interesting because the two pieces of theme code given
(it would have been useful to have an entire theme attached for problems
involving theme formats!) are both clearly broken:  one contains
unquoted text in an XML attribute, and the other contains a seven-digit
hex triple.  Presumably, then, our problem is something to do with
dealing with invalid themes.  However, introducing these to a Metacity
theme at my end produces an error but no crash, which is correct
behaviour.

If someone could attach a theme which causes a crash, other than the
ones given in #204882, I would be grateful.  Meanwhile I'll start
reading the stack traces.

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[Bug 199402] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Wait, no need.  The stack traces have shed abundant light on the matter.

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[Bug 199402] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
I believe I've found the problem, though since I can't reproduce the
crash I can't say for sure.  There is a pretty glaring bug in the exact
place the stack trace shows, though.  Can anyone confirm?

** Attachment added: Fix for bug, I believe.
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12969268/ANSWER.debdiff

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[Bug 199402] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
(Please excuse me if I have messed this up: yesterday was the first day
I tried doing this in Ubuntu.)

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[Bug 191708] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_theme_meta_info_compare()

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Thank you for reporting this bug.  Could you let us know what theme it
occurs with? (This is the output of gconftool -g
/apps/metacity/general/theme.)

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[Bug 191708] Re: gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_theme_meta_info_compare()

2008-03-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Thank you for your help raising this, anyway.

This isn't really a Metacity problem.  gnome_theme_meta_info_compare()
is a function in libtheme.

** Changed in: gnome-themes (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: metacity = gnome-themes

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[Bug 106903] Re: error message when gnome-alsamixer is launching

2008-03-31 Thread Thomas Thurman
Bastien has pointed out upstream a much simpler way to do this; I'll try
to get the debdiff for that way attached later today.  Sorry about that.

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[Bug 220555] Re: [hardy] amsn does not blink / flash on new messages with metacity on hardy

2008-04-22 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #528927
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528927

** Also affects: metacity via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528927
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 116807] Re: Number of rows of desktops forgotten if no switcher on panel

2008-04-22 Thread Thomas Thurman
I would like to finish dealing with this bug from Metacity's point of
view.  We have two options here:

1) We can say that this is an invalid bug, because the EWMH says that
the switcher decides the workplace layout, and if you remove the
switcher, you won't have a workplace layout.  Then we can close this
bug.

2) We can say that the EWMH is actually wrong, or at least that we're
going to work around it here, and get Metacity to go and do this part of
the switcher's job for it if the switcher isn't present.  (I can't
really see this being accepted upstream, but it could be an Ubuntu-
specific patch.)  We could also try and get the EWMH changed.

It is rather infelicitous that a visible widget is tied to a desktop
function in this way.

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[Bug 221144] Re: After upgrading to hardy, gnome-terminal windows are not properly restored on login

2008-04-23 Thread Thomas Thurman
I think this is possibly a window manager bug, since it's the window
manager's job to resize the windows on restart.  I don't see why it
would affect compiz and metacity equally, though.

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[Bug 221550] Re: add a note for translators regarding loading linux kernel message

2008-04-24 Thread Thomas Thurman
This is going to open a big can of worms about whether people mean the
kernel when they say Linux (hence why the FSF ask you to say GNU/Linux
to describe the whole thing) or whether it's legitimate to use Linux
to mean the whole thing.  It's a rather politicised question.

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[Bug 221550] Re: add a note for translators regarding loading linux kernel message

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
I think possibly I didn't make myself clear.  The situation is indeed as
you describe.  However, if it is legitimate to describe the whole OS as
Linux, then a phrase equivalent to loading Linux's kernel in various
languages is also legitimate, since the kernel is the kernel of the
whole OS.  If not, then not.

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[Bug 221550] Re: add a note for translators regarding loading linux kernel message

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
FWIW, I think you can get either reading out of Ubuntu is a Linux-based
operating system.  If Linux is a kernel, Ubuntu is based around that
kernel.  If Linux is an entire OS, Ubuntu is a version of that entire
OS, and is therefore based on it.  Actually, I think the second reading
is the more natural.

Personally, I actually also think that the name Linux should only be
used for the kernel, but I'm just pointing out where the loading
Linux's kernel messages might have crept in and why some people still
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[Bug 221943] Re: move to workspace should wrap around

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
a) This would be a trivial fix;
b) This has been raised repeatedly upstream and they have decided to make it a 
policy decision not to implement it;
c) We could implement it with an Ubuntu-specific patch if people decided it was 
something worth going for.

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[Bug 221943] Re: move to workspace should wrap around

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #89315
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89315

** Also affects: metacity via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89315
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 157497] Re: New windows stack up in top left corner

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
And suddenly, there was movement upstream!   Erwann Chenede has found
the bug and sent in a patch of approximately four lines which fixes the
whole thing.

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #529925
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529925

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   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 137239] Re: compiz and metacity should behave the same way

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
This isn't really a bug in Metacity or in Compiz; what you're really
asking for is either that Metacity or Compiz should be the exclusive
window manager in use or that an enormous effort should be expended on
making the UI of each one exactly the same in every little detail.  Both
of those are far more far-reaching decisions than bugs in any one
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[Bug 116807] Re: Number of rows of desktops forgotten if no switcher on panel

2008-04-25 Thread Thomas Thurman
A further thought occurred to me while attempting to explain this to
someone at 1am over a cheese sandwich.

The EWMH doesn't actually say that the switcher decides the workspace
layout.  What it says is that _NET_DESKTOP_LAYOUT (which is what decides
the number of rows) must only be set by the switcher and never by the
window manager.

So if the switcher isn't on the panel, and hasn't been since we started,
_NET_DESKTOP_LAYOUT won't be set on a screen at all.  Now suppose we
started up and found that this wasn't so... well, perhaps the panel
hadn't started, so we'd set a timer and come back to the matter a second
or so later, and if it still hadn't, we could fish the number of rows
out of gconf and pretend we'd read it instead.

The trouble with this, though, is that the number of rows is stored as a
property of the applet, so we'd need somewhere else to keep it for this
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[Bug 137239] Re: compiz and metacity should behave the same way

2008-04-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
I think the trouble is that Metacity is not tunable enough to do this by
design: Metacity is supposed to be a small, simple window manager
without a whole lot of options and bells and whistles.  Of course we
could patch it at the Ubuntu level to behave differently, or to be more
tunable, and we could consider some kind of standard about how basic and
very common actions work (although I'm not sure that middle click on
maximise button counts as basic and very common) at, say, the
freedesktop level, although currently that role is mostly filled quite
reasonably by consensus.  If you've found a place where that consensus
falls down, such as here, I think it's not unreasonable to ask Metacity
or Compiz to change their default behaviour when you middle-click the
maximise button as a specific bug (at least at the Ubuntu level; since
this has quite recently been the subject of a slightly heated discussion
upstream, I doubt the upstream maintainers would upset the boat by
changing the behaviour again now.)

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[Bug 222045] Re: Only in this Workspace isn't honored

2008-04-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
Thank you for taking the time to report this problem.  However, without
a way of reproducing the problem, it will be difficult to fix.  Is it
possible for you to find a predictable sequence of actions which often
or always reproduce the problem?

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[Bug 221144] Re: After upgrading to hardy, gnome-terminal windows are not properly restored on login

2008-04-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
Sorry, was typing faster than I thought.  The file will have the
extension .ms, not .sm, and it will be in a subdirectory sessions of
one of those directories I told you about.

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[Bug 221144] Re: After upgrading to hardy, gnome-terminal windows are not properly restored on login

2008-04-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
Okay, that's pretty interesting.  The next thing to figure out is
whether the configuration was saved wrongly, or is being restored
wrongly.

You should have a directory called ~/.config/metacity, or one called
~/.metacity.  (Or perhaps you have both.)  In one of these directories
you'll find a file with the extension .sm which was saved at the moment
you logged out.  Please review this file to make sure there's no
sensitive content (there won't be anything more sensitive than the
titles of windows; I assume from your posts above you know how to do
this, but let me know if you need a hand) and attach it here.  Thanks!

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[Bug 195274] Re: graphical glitches when changing windows

2008-03-02 Thread Thomas Thurman
When you say changing windows, you mean switching between windows,
right? Do you do this with alt-Tab or similar, or by clicking on the
taskbar, or by clicking on the windows? Do you have compositing turned
on in Metacity, do you know?

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-02-14 Thread Thomas Thurman
Does it work with kwin? If it does, I'll see how they do it.

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[Bug 192309] Re: metacity crashed with SIGSEGV in _XkeyTable()

2008-03-06 Thread Thomas Thurman
Is this repeatable?

The line in question appears to be

   tmp = workspace-mru_list;

and with that call stack, workspace is the current workspace.  I can't
see why it would be pointing outside the current segment, though I'd
like to know.  If you can repeat this, we can capture logs and see.

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[Bug 195411] Re: Compiz Fusion cannot be enabled in Ubuntu Hardy Alpha 5

2008-03-12 Thread Thomas Thurman
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 178953 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/178953

This is a dupe of #178953 (is there a way I can mark it as such, or does
someone else need to)?

It has nothing to do with session management, incidentally.

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[Bug 188817] Re: Please sponsor metacity 2.21.8 (main) into Hardy

2008-02-03 Thread Thomas Thurman
Does this happen every time we do an upstream release? I thought it was
fairly automatic.

I can have the release script signal someone, or something, if you like.

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[Bug 116807] Re: Number of rows of desktops forgotten if no switcher on panel

2008-02-26 Thread Thomas Thurman
This is a matter for the workspace switcher to decide.  Metacity merely
uses the setting that's set in the workspace switcher.  I can't see how
this is metacity's problem.

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[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas Thurman
Paul: You also have the option of changing the theme size, of course.

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[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas Thurman
(Sorry, that of course wasn't supposed to be patronising; I apologise
if it sounded that way.) You can install a theme with wider borders, or
modify the borders of the existing one as explained elsewhere on this
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[Bug 156272] Re: impress lacks window list entry in dual head

2007-11-08 Thread Thomas Thurman
If it occurs regardless of WM, it is not a bug in metacity.

** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 156272] Re: impress lacks window list entry in dual head

2007-11-08 Thread Thomas Thurman
If you've tried it in (say) kwin and icewm and got the same result, it's
probably a problem with the way Impress talks to WMs rather than any WMs
getting things wrong.

So both these windows are on the same display, yet the presence of the
second display causes the problem? That's pretty bizarre. I don't have a
dual-head display to test on, though. I hope someone who knows about
Impress will be along soon.

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[Bug 156272] Re: impress lacks window list entry in dual head

2007-11-08 Thread Thomas Thurman
Sounds very much like an Impress problem, then. If you raise it
upstream, link to it here so I can subscribe to the upstream bug in case
I can be of any help from the window manager side.

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[Bug 156272] Re: impress lacks window list entry in dual head

2007-11-09 Thread Thomas Thurman
Oh, don't apologise for asking questions :) I think
http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html is the place
to go, but if you have problems come back and ask. Once you're done,
post here about where the new bug report is and we can track it from
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[Bug 156272] Re: impress lacks window list entry in dual head

2007-11-09 Thread Thomas Thurman
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see that. My fault.

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[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)

2007-11-13 Thread Thomas Thurman
As the person who mostly looks after theme support in Metacity, I'd love
to hear discussions on and suggestions for what's needed in version
three of the format.

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[Bug 124326] Re: Shrinking to notification area should have its own title bar button

2008-01-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
HIG bugs go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=HIG

Are you suggesting that *every* app should be minimisable to the
notification area, or just the ones that already know how? How is this
different from minimisation?

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[Bug 124326] Re: Shrinking to notification area should have its own title bar button

2008-01-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
Okay, before anything else, since you want this on some windows and not
others, we would need a way of knowing which windows knew how to go to
the notification area. This would be done with a new EWMH property on
those windows. This would mean we had to update the EWMH, which can't be
done without discussion on the wm-spec-list. So that should be your
first port of call.

http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/wm-spec-list

After that we'd need a way of telling a window to notificationify
itself. Then we'd need to modify at least metacity and kwin and compiz
to support the new functionality and the new theme formats which the
extra button would require. Then we'd need to find some way of getting
themes available that used the new button. But we can talk about all
that on the list, so what you should do next is join that list and ask
there, giving a reference to this bug report.

(Apart from all this, I still don't see how an action which means hide
the main window and put things in the notification area is functionally
different from the action which already exists which means hide the
main window and change the status in the task bar, or that you've
explained this anywhere. But again, we can talk about this on the list.)

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[Bug 124326] Re: Shrinking to notification area should have its own title bar button

2008-01-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
Um, yes, it's called minimisation.

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[Bug 124326] Re: Shrinking to notification area should have its own title bar button

2008-01-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
Well,

1) it's not really my call, I just hack the window manager; this is something 
the HIG people need to figure out. But
2) notificationisation and minimisation appear to me to be functionally very 
similar and I don't see why they should both be supported
3) if only one of them is supported it should presumably be the one we've been 
using for the last few decades rather than the new one
4) but it might be really useful if we allowed people to add options like 
stop and rewind and so on to the right-click menu on libwnck (the task bar) 
and the right-click metacity menu, via EWMH.

In any case, we still need to discuss this on wm-spec-list.

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[Bug 175748] Re: Metacity enters text in the 'quick search' field instead of 'Name' when running 'Save As...'

2007-12-11 Thread Thomas Thurman
Thank you for your bug report!

The keystroke ctrl-S causes searching in a treeview widget when that
widget is focussed. You can change this in the keyboard preferences
window for the whole of GNOME.

This has nothing to do with Metacity, incidentally.

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[Bug 12956] Re: Some programs open with windows bigger than maximised

2008-01-20 Thread Thomas Thurman
That means pretty much exactly that it only happens when you're running
compiz, and never when you're running metacity, right?

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[Bug 184824] Oxford Union rules out of date

2008-01-21 Thread Thomas Thurman
Public bug reported:

/usr/share/games/fortunes/pets contains the fortune:

Any member introducing a dog into the Society's premises shall be
liable to a fine of one pound.  Any animal leading a blind person shall
be deemed to be a cat.
-- Rule 46, Oxford Union Society, London

1) The Oxford Union is not and has never been in London. It is in
Oxford, hence the name.

2) This may have been the form of the rule at some point in the past for
all I know, but the rule currently says:

Rule 51: Dogs
Any Member introducing or causing to be introduced a dog into the Society's 
premises shall be liable to a fine of five pounds inflicted by the Treasurer. 
Any animal leading a blind person shall be deemed to be a cat. Any animal 
entering on Police business shall be deemed to be a wombat.

See page 54 of http://www.oxford-
union.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/1212/UnionRulesMT07.pdf

** Affects: fortune-mod (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 185629] Re: window manager crash nonload programs

2008-01-24 Thread Thomas Thurman
Hello. Can you confirm whether this bug occurs when you are running some
other window manager? For example, if you are running kwin or icewm? (If
you don't know how to test with kwin: if you don't already have kwin,
you can get it by opening a terminal and typing sudo apt-get install
kwin, then giving your password; when you do have it, you should be
able to switch to kwin using kwin --replace in a terminal and to
switch back to metacity using metacity --replace.)

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[Bug 185629] Re: window manager crash nonload programs

2008-01-24 Thread Thomas Thurman
It looks like it's not Metacity-specific, yes. The trouble now is trying
to figure what it is! If it's affecting both OpenOffice *and* WINE, I'd
guess it's a problem with your X server, but that's just a guess. (I
only do window managers, so this is a bit beyond my knowledge.)

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[Bug 185629] Re: window manager crash nonload programs

2008-01-24 Thread Thomas Thurman
Good luck; let us know how it goes!

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[Bug 176195] Re: escape key keyboard shortcuts do not work

2007-12-13 Thread Thomas Thurman
Alt+Escape is probably already bound for you, and this binding will
probably take precedence. Are Ctrl+Escape and Shift+Escape also bound?

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[Bug 130610] Re: fast-user-switch-applet crashed with SIGSEGV

2007-12-14 Thread Thomas Thurman
I think this is actually slightly different from the bug upstream, and
is a GDM problem (but unless we can repeat it is essentially unfixable).

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2007-12-27 Thread Thomas Thurman
This is not, as far as I can see, a Metacity problem. Compiz is failing
to start because it sees another compositor is running. I am not closing
the metacity bug here because I may be wrong, but I will check when I'm
less immediately busy.

** Also affects: compiz (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 214908] Re: Change Desktop Background

2008-04-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
(Just  making it clear that this is an invalid bug in nautilus rather
than in metacity.)

** Changed in: nautilus (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: metacity = nautilus

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-04-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Oh, wonderful.  Thanks for finding that.  I'll see about implementing it
soon (unless Iain does).

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[Bug 218809] Re: clicking on minimized app in window list doesn't change desktop

2008-04-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 213432 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/213432

We just have to find a way to make everyone happy.  I have heard that
kwin treats Firefox specially, but I don't know how true that is.

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[Bug 63245] Re: Cannot alt + tab out of fullscreen games

2008-04-30 Thread Thomas Thurman
I'm working on some focus issues at present and I hope that this will be
one of them.  (It's the expected_focus_window problem again.)

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[Bug 124315] Re: remember window position of applications

2008-06-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Metacity won't fix this because:

1) it's not a window manager issue; applications ought to be responsible
enough to create their windows where they want them;

2) it violates separation of concerns; there can be a separate process
(such as devilspie) which moves a user's windows around to their heart's
content (the difficulty of configuring devilspie itself is not a
counterargument to this);

3) it's near-impossible to do well in the window manager anyway, since
we don't have any good way in X of recognising that the new window is
somehow the same window as the old window.  Only the application knows
that.

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[Bug 64009] Re: Metacity crashed

2008-06-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Tags added: need-i386-retrace

** Tags added: crash

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[Bug 102787] Re: Metacity button_layout ignored

2008-06-29 Thread Thomas Thurman
Neil: Are you still seeing this problem in Hardy?  It's working fine
here.

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-06-03 Thread Thomas Thurman
@qinjuehang: Please don't say the compositor to mean Compiz, in a
Metacity bug about Metacity's compositor.  (I assume that's what you
mean from context.)  It does muddy the waters rather.

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-06-04 Thread Thomas Thurman
With trunk it causes Metacity to crash (it may well have done in earlier
situations too, since the session manager sees Metacity going down and
brings up another one, so crashes can be invisible).  This is not a
happy situation.  I'm escalating.

Expect some kind of patch by tonight, I hope.

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-06-04 Thread Thomas Thurman
Patch to fix the segfault is committed to upstream trunk, but it still
doesn't let Compiz accept the CM selection! I shall continue to
investigate, and hope to get more information to you tomorrow.

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-06-05 Thread Thomas Thurman
Here are my thoughts.

Part one, the background reading: It seems to me after a while of
digging through the ICCCM that Travis Watkins was incorrect back in
December when he said that Metacity was not giving up control of the
compositor selection. Section 2.8 of the ICCCM says that anyone who
wants a selection can take it.  The old owner is told they're losing it,
but they don't get a choice in the matter.  Obviously it was unhelpful
when Metacity crashed at that point, but it no longer does.  (Backport
to stable is coming soon.)

Part two, the experimentation: I have experimented with the return
results around the lines which Travis pointed out.  Compiz, as you see,
does not check the return result of XSetSelectionOwner.  I have checked
the result, and it is BadRequest.  (In case of strange synchronisation
oddities, I have performed the same experiment with an XSync on the
previous line, with identical results.)  BadRequest is a low-level
problem in X itself or in Xlib; I don't know what might be going on here
but it would appear to be at least as much a Compiz problem as a
Metacity problem, since this error should never appear.  I have
therefore reopened this bug against Compiz.

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-06-06 Thread Thomas Thurman
Compiz fails to check return code of XSetSelectionOwner which is
returning it a low-level X error.

** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = New

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[Bug 178953] Re: compiz doesn't start if metacity compositor is enabled

2008-06-06 Thread Thomas Thurman
(Sorry, that wasn't a reply to crdlb; I only just got the notification
email.)

@crdlb:  Your first paragraph sounds like a good solution.  I'll try it
out this evening and see what I find.

Your second para is entirely correct, of course, but a failure there
doesn't necessarily mean that it's the old selection owner's fault if it
fails.

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[Bug 29560] Re: drag drop improvement: delay bringing window to front until mouse released

2008-06-07 Thread Thomas Thurman
@perfran: I'll write a page on blogs.gnome.org later explaining the
rather complicated current state of play.

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[Bug 206870] Re: Gnome Do has visual problems when run with Metacity's compositing manager

2008-06-08 Thread Thomas Thurman
@Murat: phenest was asking for help with installing Metacity from
source, which doesn't use Launchpad answers.

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[Bug 238049] Re: The close, max and min buttons have vanished from the right side of all windows. How do I restore them please.

2008-06-10 Thread Thomas Thurman
The effect is activ in the compiz-desktop only

Then this bug does not belong under metacity.  I'm moving it to compiz
in case they have any ideas.

** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: metacity = compiz

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[Bug 29560] Re: drag drop improvement: delay bringing window to front until mouse released

2008-06-11 Thread Thomas Thurman
Here we go: http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2008/06/11/drag-and-drop/

I learned quite a lot myself writing that!

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[Bug 234154] Re: Better animations

2008-05-23 Thread Thomas Thurman
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #502644
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502644

** Also affects: metacity via
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502644
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 234154] Re: Better animations

2008-05-23 Thread Thomas Thurman
Suggestions as to what would be better are welcome.

Are you talking about the minimise effect with the compositor turned on,
or not?

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