[Bug 1626248] [NEW] libunistring0 has not been updated since 2010
Public bug reported: Libunistring is updated by FSF for every new version of Unicode. The current version of libunistring is 0.9.6 and has support for unicode version 9. The version shipped with Ubuntu is 0.9.3 which supports Unicode 7. Since the lib was last updated Unicode has added more than 14,000 new code points which includes emoji support. Because of the number of Ubuntu packages that depend on libunistring I believe that it should be updated every time a new version is released, which is usually yearly following the release schedule of Unicode versions. Libunistring in Ubuntu has not been updated since 2010. Thank You for Ubuntu. Bob Pendleton ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 16.04 Package: libunistring0 0.9.3-5.2ubuntu1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 4.4.0-38.57-generic 4.4.19 Uname: Linux 4.4.0-38-generic x86_64 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_uvm nvidia_modeset nvidia ApportVersion: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Architecture: amd64 CurrentDesktop: Unity Date: Wed Sep 21 14:35:34 2016 Dependencies: gcc-6-base 6.0.1-0ubuntu1 libc6 2.23-0ubuntu3 libgcc1 1:6.0.1-0ubuntu1 multiarch-support 2.23-0ubuntu3 InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-01-16 (613 days ago) InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS "Trusty Tahr" - Release amd64 (20140722.2) ProcEnviron: LANGUAGE=en_US PATH=(custom, no user) XDG_RUNTIME_DIR= LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: libunistring UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to xenial on 2016-05-19 (124 days ago) ** Affects: libunistring (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: amd64 apport-bug xenial -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1626248 Title: libunistring0 has not been updated since 2010 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunistring/+bug/1626248/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 788556] [NEW] package doc-base 0.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: doc-base I have no idea what this is about there was some kind of upgrade which failed due to errors your logs should have the information you need ProblemType: Package DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10 Package: doc-base 0.10.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-9.43-generic-pae 2.6.38.4 Uname: Linux 2.6.38-9-generic-pae i686 Architecture: i386 Date: Wed May 25 15:23:13 2011 ErrorMessage: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 PackageArchitecture: all SourcePackage: doc-base Title: package doc-base 0.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to oneiric on 2011-05-25 (0 days ago) ** Affects: doc-base (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-package i386 oneiric -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/788556 Title: package doc-base 0.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 788556] Re: package doc-base 0.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
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Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
Ok, I was in the first two or five rounds of this discussion and I have to say that at this point any further discussion is moot. The real bug was that Mark and others did not consider the possibility at people would hate the changed in the UI. And by hate, I mean, running screaming in the street effigy burning, storm the Bastille, throw the tea in the harbor, *HATE* the UI. I'm pretty sure they expected some people to dislike it, but not hate it. When they realized they had a real problem they fixed it. All you have to do it to go to appearance in the preferences menu and select the old human theme and you get all the goodness of 10.4 with a nice livable theme. They didn't do that at first, no, they gave us set of instructions that required you to start a command line program and directly edit a control string. Getting the string wrong could mean losing the buttons on your windows. It was a pain but it worked. Now, you just have to click through a couple of menus and click on the old theme and you are done. What they finally did is what they should have done in the first case, they put in their new ideas for a theme and made it easy for people like you and I to keep our old theme. It would have been nice if they made that an option at installation time, but they really do want to make Ubuntu look that way. Now, let me make a comment to all the folks who left Ubuntu and are not coming back and all the people who are threatening to leave if this doesn't get fixed. Nobody at Ubuntu gives a *SHIT* what you do. Mark is a very smart person. He wants to make Ubuntu into a true commpetitor with Windows. He wants to make a few billion dollars doing it. He has already vacationed on the IIS, maybe he want to build his own orbital resort. It would be a perfectly logical next thing if he had the money, who knows. Maybe he just likes being the rich. I know I like having more money than I need. A fat wallet feels a lot like... *FREEDOM*. So why doesn't he care if you leave? Well, are you a customer of his? If customers leave in large numbers then a company has something to worry about. But, if you are not a customer then why would the company care about anything you do? Mark is trying to monetize Ubuntu. To do that he has given it a look that appeals to a demographic who spend a shit load of money buying digital goods. Marks last big money maker was another company that sold a digital good. Those kinds of companies can make a butt load of money. That demographic also is very influenced by how cool something looks. (BTW, cool is pronounced something like Khol where you kind of swallow the kwo sound. Pronouncing it correctly is very important.) So now Ubuntu looks right to that demographic. He has added the ability to purchase music and to use all your existing mp3s with Ubuntu. (Did you notice the codexs included in 10.4?) And, he has provided a way to store your digital goods online, UbuntuOne is pretty nice and I expect it will become *awsome* and the music store hidden away in RhythmBox is all most to good to be true. Even though I am almost 60 I decided to move to 10.4 despite because of those two new features. With the move to get Ubuntu into instant on dual boot computers coupled with the UbuntuOne and the music store people will not have to wait for Windows to boot to do all the most popular things people do with laptops and netbooks. The result will be lots of money going to Ubuntu for operating system software, for music, and maybe for some online services as well. The people who buy software, and music, and online services from Ubuntu are it's customers. If you don't do any of those things then you are not a customer. Guess what, if you are not a customer then no company has any reason to care if you stop using the free portion of their product. They don't care if you switch to Fedora or to Debian. While I do not like the effect that these changes have had on me, I completely understand what Mark is doing and I think he is going after the right demographic. There are damned few people like me who are ever going to be his customers. Giving me a painless way to get back to the UI I like while still giving me the chance to use Ubuntu and maybe to become a customer is a reasonable thing for them to do. And, they have done it. Bob Pendleton On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Ubuntu-Me 532...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I think it is important to consider not that I an others have gone back to Karmic Ubuntu, or that we left initially due to the User Interface issues pertaining to Lucid's (MacBuntu) feel, but rather the bigger picture. The loss of trust in Canonical's ability to maintain stability over time. As a long time Ubuntu fan, it is a heartbreak to find myself running away from 'MacBuntu and once again due to stability issues. While adding options to software is fine. Forcing them upon users will only serve to reduce membership. Rather then
Re: [Bug 538402] Re: Title bar buttons in GNOME turned to the left side
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532633 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, running_rabbit07 ronnie.mcmas...@gmail.com wrote: *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532633 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 Miroslav Durian, Many people are happily using the ubuntu install with default settings without any problems. I like having the buttons on the left as is puts the close button closer to the menu drop downs. For the record, I have never clicked any wrong buttons while going for the window controls. So what? You are not the world. Many people are unhappily using the ubuntu install with default settings with many problems. I hate having the buttons on the left. I don't care if it puts the close button closer to the menu drop downs. For the record, I often click wrong buttons while going for the window controls. What I wrote is just as valid as what you wrote. The difference is that I no that I am not the world and that every one is not just like me. Try it, it will surprise you. Bob Pendleton uRock -- Title bar buttons in GNOME turned to the left side https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/538402 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug (via bug 532633). Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: After upgrading to Lucid buttons in title bar turned to the left side and system menu has disappeared. Also there is no option to configure that. Also the same effect for all users and even newly made. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/538402/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- Title bar buttons in GNOME turned to the left side https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/538402 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Alexander Pas m...@dropdev.org wrote: Dear Mark Shuttleworth, and everyone else thinking it was a good change to place those buttons on the left side of the window. Please go read a book on Interaction Design, for example: About Face 3, ISBN 9780470084113 Now, After you have read that book, explain to me, why you want to have the Ejector Seat Button placed right above the Cockpit Lights Switch. It has been made very clear by Shuttleworth and others at Ubuntu that they have not read any such book and are not interested in reading it and they are not willing to listen to people who have read it. At least not right now. Shuttleworth made his billions by creating a company that sold a highly technical information product, a security certificate, to highly technical customers for a highly technical purpose. But, he sold it at a better price and under more reasonable terms than the competition. That created a lot of value and even though he was not able to actually compete with the high priced vendors he did create a business that he could sell to a high priced vendor. Now, he seems to think that that success qualifies him to create a product for use by non-technical customers for a non-technical purpose. It does not. But, the buttons are only the most visible part of his play in 10.4. The key thing to note about 10.4 is the addition of the music store. Which is again a business based on selling an information product at a better price and under better terms than the competition. The music store is an attempt to monetize Ubuntu in a huge way. It is designed to both generate revenue and to create a demand for Ubuntu. By limiting access to the music store to Ubuntu 10.4 and above he is also making Ubuntu sticky for users. the music store is extremely compelling. The me-menu is another interesting play. Once you get on Ubuntu, the me-menu is designed to make Ubuntu sticky for the user by making Ubuntu the primary way you access you social media. If it catches on it will place Ubuntu in position to monetize access to social media. It will also place Ubuntu in a position to provide value added services through the social media sites that drive more users to Ubuntu. It is my considered opinion that Shuttleworth is planning yet another play with the intention of monetizing Ubuntu while at the same time making it even more sticky. If in the short run he loses 10%, or even 50%, of the current users he does not care. Losing users does not cost him any money. If he can make $1/year from the users that stay Ubuntu will be generating 6 to 12 million dollars a year in revenue and he will have accomplished his goal. My guess is that Shuttleworth is positioning Ubuntu as a one stop solution for companies that want to build the next generation of networked social and entertainment systems. Whether placed in a net book or a phone a software platform that includes a nice way to get music and other media as well as a nice way to access all your social connections and communication the Ubuntu that I see emerging is a killer application. That become especially true if it is prices low enough that these devices can be sold across the entire world and not just in North America and Europe. Shuttleworth has no reason to care if the metaphorical ejector seat button is next to the metaphorical cabin light switch so long as Ubuntu generates revenue. Even if someone hits the wrong button at least no one will actually be ejected. Remember he can move them back any time he wants to. On the other hand my laptop goes to the black screen (which I think I will start calling the Shuttleworth screen) every twenty minutes or so. Firefox doesn't work correctly. blah blah blah... nothing has been done about any of the bug reports I have filed since alpha 3 was released... If this keeps up Ubuntu could lose enough users to actually matter to Shuttleworth. No, I am not saying that I disagree with you. I am saying that Shuttleworth has a plan to make money off of Ubuntu and even if his actions cost him 50% of existing users that does not matter if it actually makes Ubuntu cash flow positive. So, don't expect Ubuntu to see the light any time soon. After it is making money then they will have to worry about making changes that costs them customers. Customers have a monetary value. Users do not. That is the world view that is driving the current changes in Ubuntu. I don't like it. I think that Shuttleworth is very misguided in not putting the buttons back. It would make a lot of people very happy. It would give the illusion that he actually cares what we think. It would makes us all happy and give us a warm fuzzy feeling and we would stick around and generate revenue for Ubuntu. Pissed of users actually have a negative value because they generate negative advertising while not providing revenue. Pissed off users also do not provide free testing and free technical consultation. I don't think he understands
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:42 PM, running_rabbit07 ronnie.mcmas...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, your only reason for rejecting ubuntu's buttons is stubbornness. You just relabeled my fact based objections as a form of moral failure so that you could reject them without having to even consider that my reasons may be valid. You are displaying a form of mental sloppiness that borders on bigotry. In fact, it is the kind of mental sloppiness that enables bigotry. I do not expect you to under accept what I just said. But, please consider that you are not me. The fact that your grand mother was using a computer shows she is My last maternal grandmother died in the '60. My paternal grandmother died in the '50s. I was writing about my mother in law. I suppose your grandmother is in the same age range as my mother in law so you skipped right over what I actually wrote and interpreted it in your own frame of reference. It is import to learn to accept what is on the page even when it contradicts what is in you mind. Let's see, if your grandmother is the same age as my mother-in-law then you are about the same age as my son. That means I've been using X11 on some version of Unix longer than you have been alive. Which tells me that you can not understand what I am saying because you have not lived long enough to have the experience of living this long. It's a funny thing. You can not actually understand an experience without experiencing it. So, I'll lighten up on you a bit. capable of change being that most likely when she was born there were no TVs much less computers. How many people were really using desktop computers in the 70s? Many millions if you go by the number of Apple IIs sold starting in 1977. Or the number of CP/M based computers sold starting around 1974. But, I was talking about when I started using X11 which was in the middle 1980s. I did have the fun of using a text based windowing system written in Lisp on a Dec 20. It displayed on a glass terminal. I think I was using a DEC VT100. And, of course, I did a ton of applications in the first version of TurboPascal which also use a text based windowing system. But, that is not what I was talking about. Wrong decade and wrong technology. I was talking about X11 on Unix on a 68000 based Sun workstation and X11 on System5 Unix on several Mips based workstations developed and sold by Evans Sutherland and later on 64 bit Sparc developed by (I wish I was kidding with this name) HaL computer systems. Lets be real here. If you guys are really this stubborn how did you manage to actually leave Windows? Indeed. Interesting question. Why do you think I every left windows? Let's see. I started working with X11 after the r3 release. (I was our companies representative to the X consortium and the guy responsible for getting it running on our hardware.) X11R3 was released in February '86. Windows 1 was released at the end of '85 and Windows 2 was released at the end '87. No body really used Windows until 3.0 came out in 1990 and no one really wanted to use it until 3.1 windows for work groups came out in 1992. The first version of Windows that could even be compared to X11 on Unix was Window '95 that came out in 1995. I first started using Windows in '94. By the time I started using Windows I had been using X11 on Unix for 8 or 9 years. I never moved away from Windows. I was forced to use Windows for economic reasons and I still use it for the same reason. Again, you are looking at things from your own frame of reference. Windows did not exist in my world when I started using GUI based computer systems. Windows barely existed at all. With every release there are whiners that scream they are leaving because the sky isn't blue enough in the new desktop background. I would think someone who claims to be a system admin for a company using ubuntu as their system would know how to make the small GUI change necessary to put the buttons back on the left for his whole company at install time. I never claimed to be a system admin. I have never been a system admin. I was talking about, and used examples based on, my home network which consists of 8 to 10 PCs and a printer. The minor change you mention has to be made for every user on every computer. That means having to change the same damn thing 40 or 50 times. (I often have one or more of my adult children and/or various friends and people I meet who are in need of a place to stay living with me.) Managing my home network is much like being a sys admin at a small company. But, I am not and never have been a sys admin. I am a teacher. I have been a software developer, a software development manager, and a corporate technology analyst. But, not a sys admin. If you look at the subscribe list to the above right, you will see that Mark is no longer following this thread, so why are you arguing as if you think he will change his mind? Why do you think I give a shit what Mark thinks? Right now I'm trying
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
Think about how your grandma would react if she had been using computers since 1971 and an X11 based GUI with the window buttons in the upper right corner since 1986. How would she feel if she did an update, rebooted, and found that the buttons were not where she expected them to be. And, she also found that the color scheme had been changed to something hurt her eyes to look at it? That is the situation I'm in. Believe it or not there are a lot of people out here who have been using computers and GUIs for a long time. We have developed reflexes, muscle memory, that lets us know how to use the GUI without even thinking about it. We have eyes that require bifocal lenses. It takes a while for our eyes to adjust to new light levels. Something the new background requires us to do every time we look at a different part of the screen. We might not see differences in gray levels as well as we did 40 years ago, which makes reading gray text on what ever that color is in the Lucid theme a challenge. My wife saw the default desktop on a machine I had just installed. Her reaction, was You're not going to do that to my machine. Not a question, a statement. Is she non-technical? Sure, if you count rocket science as non-technical. She is an ME. She can put her stamp to the plans for a new building and make it legal to build the building. And, yes, she spent much of her career designing rocket motors and systems. Computer programmers are among the least technical of all the technical fields. Your attitude toward adults is really disgusting to me. Bob Pendleton On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Imre Gergely gi...@narancs.net wrote: @Pietro Battiston: I don't think you can be 100% sure that Debian (or any other distro) won't do something in the future you will dislike... Tech people think that non-techies (your grandmother) will ZOMG what happened to the buttons. Just try to explain that she has to click on the left now to close the windows and not on the right, and she'll get it in notime and forget about it. I have non-tech parents, too, with Ubuntu installed at home, and grandparents who learned how to use a mobile (at their age). It's just us who are too aware about these things (us, who read these bugreports and comment way too much on them). Your grandma will probably think, ummm there's no button here... but there! on the other side, that looks the same, let's click it and see what happens. Tadda! She won't care, they've changed it, ok, she'll get used to it. If she can use a computer, she will figure it out. It's still easier than Ctrl+W, Ctrl+Q, Alt+F4 or File/Quit ;) -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: *** As per the design team's request*** All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug. All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a one. - Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close). Workaround To revert to old layout, enter in terminal: $ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close --OR-- Use this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes This option will also fix the graphical appearance of the buttons. Overview Canonical design team leader - Those pesky buttons - 2010-03-10 http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/03/17/s03e03-behind-the-screen/ (30-minute interview starting at 39:10) Mark Shuttleworth's reply (on this bug report) - 2010-03-15 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/110 + ~10 following replies === To maintain a respectful atmosphere, while commenting please follow the code of conduct - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, scholli scholli...@yahoo.de wrote: mouth (sorry) @Bob Yes with Windows... My first Computer was an Amiga and it was different. It was bad? Nop! You will wonder the quick you can change customs. ,) You clearly have no understanding of what we have been talking about. Step back and try to understand why those of us who are objecting to this change are objecting to it. Our reasons are real and valid. Bob Pendleton -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Won't Fix Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: === Master Bug === (As per the design team's request) All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug. All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a one. === Desire === Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close). Workaround 1. Only new themes, such as Ambiance and Radiance will have buttons on the left by default. You can continue using old themes, such as Human, in Lucid and those themes will continue to have buttons on the right side (according to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/577 ). It is even possible to switch to Human theme and then 'Customize' it to use all the elements from Radiance theme, but the button layout will stay on the right. 2. To revert to old layout, run in a terminal: $ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close Responses Canonical Design Team Leader (Ivanka Majic) - 2010-03-10 and 2010-03-17 http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 (Those pesky buttons) http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/03/17/s03e03-behind-the-screen/ (30-minute interview starting at 39:10) Ubuntu SABDFL (Mark Shuttleworth) replies on this bug report - 2010-03-15 onwards http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/110 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/167 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/179 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/202 to 204 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/218 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/248 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/272 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/388 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/410 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/426 to 427 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/469 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/503 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/564 (Final decree; close-min-max ordering) Canonical Ubuntu Community Leader (Jono Bacon) response - 2010-03-24 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5683123 (6 minutes starting at 26:24) === Code of Conduct === To maintain a respectful atmosphere, while commenting please follow the code of conduct - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
Your post is nonsense. Nothing I said had anything to do with beauty. I was talking about how poor selections of colors can induce eye strain and make it difficult to use a UI. I am talking about well established principles based on decades of experimentation and on the physiology eye and the effects of aging on the eye. Purple is a horrible background color because it combines both read and blue. Staring at purple depletes two of the three sets of color receptors in the eye. That will cause everything else around you to appear to be depleted of red and blue. The color sensors are the low resolution part of the eye. They intensity network that sees shades of gray is the high resolution part of the eye. If you want people to be able to read and see details you have to use colors that are strong divided in intensity, not by color shade. This is nothing new. It is human factors 101. It is taught to Chefs in culinary schools so they now enough to make signs and menus that are usable by their customers. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Pako elektroban...@gmail.com wrote: No one, including rocket scientist can't tell which colour is the most beautiful one. There is no most beautiful colour in the world. -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Won't Fix Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: === Master Bug === (As per the design team's request All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug. All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a one. === Desire === Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close). Workaround 1. Only new themes, such as Ambiance and Radiance will have buttons on the left by default. You can continue using old themes, such as Human, in Lucid and those themes will continue to have buttons on the right side (according to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/577 ). It is even possible to switch to Human theme and then 'Customize' it to use all the elements from Radiance theme, but the button layout will stay on the right. 2. To revert to old layout, run in a terminal: $ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close Responses Canonical Design Team Leader (Ivanka Majic) - 2010-03-10 and 2010-03-17 http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 (Those pesky buttons) http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/03/17/s03e03-behind-the-screen/ (30-minute interview starting at 39:10) Ubuntu SABDFL (Mark Shuttleworth) replies on this bug report - 2010-03-15 onwards http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/110 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/167 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/179 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/202 to 204 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/218 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/248 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/272 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/388 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/410 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/426 to 427 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/469 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/503 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/564 (Final decree; close-min-max ordering) Canonical Ubuntu Community Leader (Jono Bacon) response - 2010-03-24 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5683123 (6 minutes starting at 26:24) === Code of Conduct === To maintain a respectful atmosphere, while commenting please follow the code of conduct - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Pako elektroban...@gmail.com wrote: @Bob Our reasons are real and valid What reason? Ok, I recognize a troll when I see one. Very funny. Ha Ha. -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Won't Fix Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: === Master Bug === (As per the design team's request) All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug. All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a one. === Desire === Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close). Workaround 1. Only new themes, such as Ambiance and Radiance will have buttons on the left by default. You can continue using old themes, such as Human, in Lucid and those themes will continue to have buttons on the right side (according to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/577 ). It is even possible to switch to Human theme and then 'Customize' it to use all the elements from Radiance theme, but the button layout will stay on the right. 2. To revert to old layout, run in a terminal: $ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close Responses Canonical Design Team Leader (Ivanka Majic) - 2010-03-10 and 2010-03-17 http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 (Those pesky buttons) http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/03/17/s03e03-behind-the-screen/ (30-minute interview starting at 39:10) Ubuntu SABDFL (Mark Shuttleworth) replies on this bug report - 2010-03-15 onwards http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/110 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/167 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/179 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/202 to 204 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/218 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/248 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/272 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/388 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/410 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/426 to 427 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/469 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/503 http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532633/comments/564 (Final decree; close-min-max ordering) Canonical Ubuntu Community Leader (Jono Bacon) response - 2010-03-24 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5683123 (6 minutes starting at 26:24) === Code of Conduct === To maintain a respectful atmosphere, while commenting please follow the code of conduct - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549701] [NEW] package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.script', which is also in package ply
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: plymouth Logged in. Started synaptic. Clicked on reload. I scanned through the list of packages and saw that ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard, and ubuntu-minimal were to be upgraded. So I marked those three for upgrade and clicked on apply. I should note that two other packages were dragged in to meet dependencies of the three I clicked. They were related to the plymouth-theme. I had expected all, or at least many, of the upgradeable packages to be pulled in as dependencies. But, that's why we do experiments, to test our expectations against reality. This is not a critical bug. I decided to file it because I've seen a lot of updates go slightly wrong because packages were updated that while the packages they depend on were not yet in the repository. I've seen a lot more of that type of problem since upgrading to Alpha 3 and Beta 1 than I have seen with alpha and beta releases in the past. On previous versions of Ubuntu, at least 3 or 4 version back, I have always kept one machine running the current alpha starting at alpha 1. This time I've had a lot more problems with the early alphas. In fact, the old laptop I use for that would not install until Beta 1. I wound up running Alpha 3 on my desktop cause I really wanted to see what it was like! As an old developer and some times software manager I associate an up tick in configuration bugs with either to much pressure on the developers or to much confidence. :-) Both need to be looked at carefully. ProblemType: Package Architecture: amd64 Date: Sat Mar 27 11:47:43 2010 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 ErrorMessage: trying to overwrite '/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.script', which is also in package plymouth 0:0.8.0~-17 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala - Release amd64 (20091027) MachineType: System manufacturer System Product Name NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Package: plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo (not installed) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-17-generic root=UUID=125fe5b0-ef8b-408b-bcce-235ce3608341 ro quiet splash ProcFB: 0 VGA16 VGA ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-17.26-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 SourcePackage: plymouth Title: package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.script', which is also in package plymouth 0:0.8.0~-17 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-17-generic x86_64 dmi.bios.date: 08/07/2008 dmi.bios.vendor: Phoenix Technologies, LTD dmi.bios.version: ASUS M2NPV-VM ACPI BIOS Revision 1401 dmi.board.name: M2NPV-VM dmi.board.vendor: ASUSTek Computer INC. dmi.board.version: 1.xx dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 123456789000 dmi.chassis.type: 3 dmi.chassis.vendor: Chassis Manufacture dmi.chassis.version: Chassis Version dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnPhoenixTechnologies,LTD:bvrASUSM2NPV-VMACPIBIOSRevision1401:bd08/07/2008:svnSystemmanufacturer:pnSystemProductName:pvrSystemVersion:rvnASUSTekComputerINC.:rnM2NPV-VM:rvr1.xx:cvnChassisManufacture:ct3:cvrChassisVersion: dmi.product.name: System Product Name dmi.product.version: System Version dmi.sys.vendor: System manufacturer ** Affects: plymouth (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: amd64 apport-package lucid -- package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.script', which is also in package plymouth 0:0.8.0~-17 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549701 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549701] Re: package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.script', which is also in package plymo
** Attachment added: AptOrdering.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181297/AptOrdering.txt ** Attachment added: BootDmesg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181301/BootDmesg.txt ** Attachment added: CurrentDmesg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181302/CurrentDmesg.txt ** Attachment added: Df.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181303/Df.txt ** Attachment added: Dmesg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181304/Dmesg.txt ** Attachment added: DpkgTerminalLog.gz http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181305/DpkgTerminalLog.gz ** Attachment added: Lspci.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181306/Lspci.txt ** Attachment added: Lsusb.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181307/Lsusb.txt ** Attachment added: ProcCpuinfo.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181308/ProcCpuinfo.txt ** Attachment added: ProcInterrupts.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181309/ProcInterrupts.txt ** Attachment added: ProcModules.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181310/ProcModules.txt ** Attachment added: UdevDb.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181311/UdevDb.txt ** Attachment added: UdevLog.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42181312/UdevLog.txt -- package plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.script', which is also in package plymouth 0:0.8.0~-17 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549701 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 533566] Re: [Lucid] Window controls are on the left side after update
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532633 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@canonical.com wrote: *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532633 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 @BobPendleton - there is no decision to prevent people from rearranging window controls. I suspect you've either tripped over a bug, or something else unexpected has occurred. Yep, the problem disappeared after an update the next day. Bob Pendleton -- [Lucid] Window controls are on the left side after update https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/533566 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: metacity After update Metacity window controls appear on the Left side instead of the right side. ProblemType: Bug Architecture: i386 CheckboxSubmission: 80e323949b5d778368b39459217fd9fd CheckboxSystem: b845c366ea09c60efa3a45c1b5b21525 Date: Sat Mar 6 22:10:49 2010 DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100217) Package: metacity 1:2.28.1-0ubuntu5 ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-15.22-generic SourcePackage: metacity Uname: Linux 2.6.32-15-generic i686 To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/533566/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- [Lucid] Window controls are on the left side after update https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/533566 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 532633] Data that would be interesting
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@canonical.com wrote: On 25/03/10 17:12, Atel Apsfej wrote: Yes this is one of the fundamental communication breakdowns between the closed door design team and the external community. Shuttleworth and the design team want data.. but they haven't communicated what that means. Why hasn't that happened? Is the team concerned that the passionate minority with game the system and heavily bias the data that is being collected? There hasn't been a general data collecting methodology articulated for any of the experimental design decisions. This, more than any individual design decision, is the fundamental breakdown in communication which risks hardening passionate contributors in the Ubuntu community against Canonical in leading this work. Atel, there is no conspiracy involved, nobody is afraid that data would be biased, because it's clear that all data is somehow biased and will need to be evaluated in that light. Nevertheless, data would be interesting. I haven't said what data in particular, because I thought it better to let people invent for themselves what might be a relevant study. If I said I want data on X Y and Z we'd get into a long argument about whether that's the relevant thing. I'd rather folks here had responded by saying cool, here's some data I gathered. Since that hasn't happened, some things I'd be interested in: - where does the average mouse rest? i.e., when it's not being used, where is the mouse, usually? Think of a long term heat map of mouse locations, over a few hundred desktops and a few weeks. That would be interesting. Lots of people have said My mouse is generally near the left because there's so much else there. others have said The scrollbars on the right mean my mouse is hanging out there. Data would be useful. - are there accidental clicks on the close button in the new location? We know that the new location has lots going on around it. Are people accidentally clicking the wrong thing? - does it take longer to click it in the new location, once one is moving with intent in the right direction? We know that the fact that there's a lot around the target means finer motor control is required, and we know that generally means slower, more careful, more irritating movements. But is that actually measurably observed? Those are three items I'd like data on. But I'm sure there are folks following this conversation who could come up with smarter and more insightful formulations. The question is being framed incorrectly. This is not a question of minimizing hand motion. It is a question of cost benefit for the individual users. Think about the constant bickering about the advantages of Dvorak keyboard versus the Qwerty keyboard. No amount of technical data will convince people to relearn how to type. The possible advantage of the retraining is not sufficiently greater than the effort you must expend to get that advantage. Not to mention that in a world of Qwerty keyboards you must be prepared to type on a Qwerty keyboard at any time any where. From the users point of view it looks like a lot of work for little reward. The work must be done up front but the reward trickles in over years. It just isn't worth it. If you don't get what I am trying to say just try typing Qwerty using the same fingers and at the same speed that you normally type. (This test may not work if you are a two fingered typist :-) Using your best touch typing technique type Qwerty several times without stopping. How many times did you type QUwerty? If you are a touch typist and use the English language you will have developed the pattern of automatically typing a U after every Q. It is so automatic that you do it even when you are trying not to. I've been a touch typist for 40 years. If you have only been typing for a few years you may not see the same result. But, then you may also have to at least vaguely think about the location of the keys while you type and you may still have to consciously find the home position. The same thing happens with driving. That is one of the reasons that new drivers pay higher rates. Look up the concept of wu wei. It describes it very well. A physical therapist might call it muscle memory. Bob Pendleton Mark -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: *** As per the design team's request*** All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug. All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a one. - Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the
Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Richard r...@donkin.org wrote: Clearly there are many people (including me) who don't like the new title bar layout, and the loss of the application's icon from the title bar - so as a minimum there should be a GUI way to easily revert to the older layout, and this should be the default when choosing a different theme. Existing themes such as Human and many others were designed around the old layout, so why is the new layout imposed on them? Also, this will really not help at all with maximising the ease of transition for Windows users (bug 1) - they can adapt to the system menus being on the top of the screen, but this will just be another roadblock in adopting Ubuntu. Let me point out the unstated assumption here. That is that you can transition Windows users to Linux. The sad truth is that it is hard to transition Linux users to Linux. My work requires me to use Windows at work. That requirement forces me to maintain a Windows box on the shelf above my main Ubuntu desktop. I am not unlike the vast majority of computer users in the US. I must use Windows at work or starve. You can get people to use Linux as their second interface on new types of devices because they expect a new interface. You can sometimes get people using a Linux live CD as their secure/banking system (as some banks are starting to push.) But, you can not expect to move most people from Windows to Linux because of their need to eat. If you make the interfaces to different the switch over costs becomes to high and people will just junk the one that they see as different. For most people that will be the Linux system. By the way, Gnome lets you put control bars an any edge of the screen and Windows lets you move the task bar to any edge of the screen. It isn't hard to make Gnome look and feel a lot like Windows. You can make it look so much the same it can be confusing. In fact so confusing that I just went looking for the preference menu and realized I was logged on to my Windows box. Bob Pendleton Another problem with the Light theme is the highlighted area just below middle of the top panel - this draws the eye to that part of the screen for no purpose. Normally such highlights are used in web and UI design to draw the eye to the most important part of the screen, but here it's just used for no reason I can see. Instead of imposing this annoying change, how about fixing a real issue that is causing accessibility and usability problems to users today - the fact that on large screens (or any screen for someone with visual/motor disabilities) it's very hard to resize a window using most Ubuntu themes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311 -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: *** As per the design team's request*** All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug. All the decisions regarding the position/order/alignment will be dealt as a one. - Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close). Workaround To revert to old layout, enter in terminal: $ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close --OR-- Use this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes This option will also fix the graphical appearance of the buttons. Overview Canonical design team leader - Those pesky buttons - 2010-03-10 http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=281 http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/03/17/s03e03-behind-the-screen/ (30-minute interview starting at 39:10) Mark Shuttleworth's reply (on this bug report) - 2010-03-15 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/110 + ~10 following replies === To maintain a respectful atmosphere, while commenting please follow the code of conduct - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ . To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/+subscribe -- +--- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: b...@pendleton.com + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com -- [Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 533566] Re: [Lucid] Window controls are on the left side after update
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532633 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532633 There is a bug somewhere. I used the gconf-editor tweak to fix the bug on two machines that were running alpha 3. I just installed beta1 on my laptop and learned, the hard way, the the gconf-tweak has been disabled. Changing the metacity setting no longer moves the buttons to the right. If this is not a bug because it is a design decision then it is time to debug the designer by replacing him/her/them. They are, to but blunt, incompetent and arrogant beyond the meaning of the word arrogant. I have seen this kind of disregard for the pain of other humans only in the history of mass scam artists and spammers. I am serious, this is, for me, a deal killer. If this is left in, I and many people like me will simply switch to another, any other distribution. I have read comments from Shuttleworth on this is intended to free up the right hand side of the window title bar to make room for space for future enhancements. So this disregard for all of comes directly from the top. Not sure what to do about that. His comments also tell us the he not only has no interest in fixing the problem. He plans to make it worse, much worse, by putting something in the right hand corner. If what he puts there is any kind of a control it will be hit and triggered constantly by everyone who use Ubuntu. Why do I say pain? In my case I must use Windows machines everyday. OTOH, I have been using an X based desktop since X11R3. I have been using a desktop with the window buttons on the right since the late '1980s? So long ago it is hard to remember :-) Every time I try to use Lucid on my laptop my eyes go wonky trying to find the window buttons. It takes me several seconds to find the new buttons. It wastes my time, and it causes me physical pain from the eyestrain of having to search carefully for the buttons. Yeah, if I've been using X since the 1980s I must be old by now. Here is the punchline, the kicker, the deal breaker I installed Lucid Alpha 3 on a test machine and freaked when the windows came up without any buttons. On closer inspection I found them on the wrong side. I quickly found out how to correct the problem using gconf- editor. I thought, ok that was easy I can live with that. I put Lucid Alpha 3 on my desktop and I've been using it happily with that little tweak with gconf-editor and a few clicks of the mouse to get rid of that unreadable new theme. Ok, so I waited until beta 1 came out and waited a few days for it to stabilize and I installed it on my laptop. (I really love Ubuntu on a laptop.) I also updated my test machine and desktop to beta 1. After rebooting I went in to gconf-editor and changed the buttons back to the right. The first two times I did that on my other two machines the buttons moved instantly. But, on a fully updated install of beta 1 the buttons did not move. The buttons are still on the right on the machines I installed with alpha 3. But, on the machine I installed with beta 1 the buttons did not move. I have checked and the changes to show up in gconf-editor. But, the buttons are still on the left. They have not moved. I have check the settings three times now and even rebooted between checking and the buttons are still on the left. It would seem that there is either a bug, or the Ubuntu folks have now made it impossible to correct this error without doing surgery on either the theme or the source code. I do not know which. Tomorrow I start looking for a new distro. Maybe I'll just go back to Debian. It works and I've never seen them pull a stunt as stupid as this. Yeah, they have do some pretty weird things. But I have never seen them disregard all of their users. Anyone have suggestions? This change is not only causing me physical pain it is causing damage to my reputation among my friends and family. I converted my wife, my adult children to Ubuntu, several friends, and other relations to Ubuntu.. They all also have to use Windows everyday to make a living. I am already getting indications that they will be expecting me to reinstall Windows on their computers if this bug is in the final release of Lucid. I suspect that is going to happen all over the world. It is really sad. I am sure that the folks are Ubuntu do not really understand just how damaging a decision like this is. The reaction I've seen to this change is a lot like the time a new guy decided to order the deep fried jalapeños just because the rest of the development team were ordering them. He was just down from Wisconsin and pronounced the word as if it were English. That is, he said j as in just not the correct j as in hall. Long story short. He liked the fried masa they were covered in. He had no trouble with the cheddar cheese they were stuffed with. But, despite repeated and intense warnings. And, an explanation of why they are stuffed with cheese. He bit into the pepper. He turned purple. He tried to drown his
[Bug 474720] Re: [Karmic] usplash crash after 10 second so text appears before xsplash
Is anyone working on this? -- [Karmic] usplash crash after 10 second so text appears before xsplash https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/474720 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup
Folks, this lock up appears to be affecting a lot of people who are trying prerelease versions of hardy, if this thing goes public with this bug it is going to be a *disaster* for Ubuntu. Is there anyway to get hold of the people responsible and get the release delayed until this bug is fixed? Ubuntu, not to mention Linux, can not afford this kind of a black eye. Bob Pendleton On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add my two cents here, as the Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit has locked up for me twice already. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with me overclocking my CPU, though (no problems under Windows, temperature 45C). -- Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204996 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Source Package linux in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic I was upgrading from gutsy (with Linux 2.6.22-14) to the latest alpha last sunday (16.03.2008), and I've got some problems with the kernel. The 2.6.24-12-generic (I think, may be -386) causes my machine to lock up (hard) after about 5 minutes. Generally I was under X, there is no specific program I was using at the time it locked up. The hardware is completely stable has been for the last 3 years with ubuntu, and still is with hardy the gutsy kernel. Another thing I noticed is that something in the initrd keeps the machine from booting for at least 2-3 minutes. It's definetely before running scripts in the /etc/rcS.d folder, I have not traced it in the initrd. After booting all is well until it locks up. The hardware is a Dell C400, Intel chipset, Intel graphics (i830), 384MB of RAM and an atheros wireless card. lsb_release: Description:Ubuntu hardy (development branch) Release:8.04 It's completely reproductible, the freeze takes out the whole kernel (no reply to ping from network). Any suggestions on how to trace it? I have a serial port, no parallel. -- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + web: www.GameProgrammer.com + www.Wise2Food.com +--+ ** Attachment added: unnamed http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13648081/unnamed -- Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204996 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 204996] Re: Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup
I have the same hardware but with 512MB. I have the same problem. The problem occured with alpha 4, alpha 5, and beta 1. After alpha 5 I did a complete reinstall of 7.10, which works perfectly, and then did a new install of beta 1 using update-manager -d. It still locks up hard after 5 to 10 minutes. I'm usually in Firefox when it locks up but I have had it lock up in other applications including synaptic and xemacs. Last time it locked up was this afternoon after doing a complete apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade, so the software was at the latest patch level as of this afternoon (US central standard time). Bob Pendleton -- Linux kernel 2.6.24-12 lockup https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204996 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
