[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1907914 ** Tags added: iso-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
I'd like to add that the issue was mentioned in a discourse topic about planned changes to the desktop installer. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/refreshing-the-ubuntu-desktop- installer/20659/32 Anyone who wants to see changes to the installer is encouraged to get involved in that project, for instance by commenting in that topic. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
On 2021-03-19 19:37, Amedee Van Gasse wrote: > This bug is a duplicate of a bug first reported way back in 2014: That's formally correct. But since this bug was submitted, I had forgotten about the other bug, and a fix referring to this one was implemented, I marked it the other way around. Doesn't matter in practice - you are here now, right? :) On 2021-03-19 19:42, Amedee Van Gasse wrote: > How is this problem solved in other countries with multiple > languages, for example Switzerland? Switzerland seems to have the same situation: $ grep _CH /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | grep 'UTF-8' de_CH.UTF-8 UTF-8 fr_CH.UTF-8 UTF-8 it_CH.UTF-8 UTF-8 wae_CH UTF-8 I.e. the installer picks de_CH.UTF-8 if the user selects English as language. But since German is spoken by the majority in Switzerland, it's a sensible default and there is no problem to solve. Besides the "political" one then, but users in countries like Belgium and Switzerland have to live with that. The installer does not have a mechanism for setting the formats locale explicitly, and it can easily be tweaked afterwards in Settings. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
Setting Dutch as the default language is politically sensitive for 40% of Belgian people. How is this problem solved in other countries with multiple languages, for example Switzerland? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
This bug is a duplicate of a bug first reported way back in 2014: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1295627 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
I have played with the latest daily build in a VM, pretending to install from Brussels, and confirmed that the change is effective in accordance with the intentions. So when installing in English, the nl_BE.UTF-8 locale is now set for regional formats, while when installing in French the formats locale is still set to fr_BE.UTF-8. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
This bug was fixed in the package ubiquity - 21.04.4 --- ubiquity (21.04.4) hirsute; urgency=medium [ Jean-Baptiste Lallement ] * Moved from deprecated sip4 to sip from PyQt5 (LP: #1903378) Thanks Rik Mills for the references. * Replaced deprecated module imp by importlib (LP: #1898494) [ Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) ] * set() has a random order when looping it that makes the failure of dependencies issue random. Sort the list of package to make it predictable and easier to diagnose dependency issues. [ Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak ] * Provide some minimal user feedback on the UI when ubuntu-drivers is busy while running in the background. (LP: #1824905) [ Gunnar Hjalmarsson ] * d-i/patches/localechooser-post-base-installer.patch: - Set nl (Dutch) as the default Belgian language (LP: #1907914) -- Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak Fri, 08 Jan 2021 18:13:07 + ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
The proposal was approved and merged: https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=6423d4b8 ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress => Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
** Merge proposal linked: https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/395264 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
Thanks for your report! #1 would be a more long-term solution. For that you would need to propose en_BE to be created and convince the upstream glibc maintainers that it's needed. https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=glibc;component=localedata #2 would be a non-trivial change to the installer, and it would add an extra step to the installation, even if it wouldn't be useful for most users. For now I think #3 is what's doable. I submitted a merge proposal which would do that. ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Medium ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: New => In Progress ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914 Title: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1907914/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1907914] Re: default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect
** Description changed:
When installing ubuntu (20.04 and later (earlier also probably))selecting
- english (US) language
- Brussels-Belgian timezone
ubuntu selects de_BE as locale which is teh Belgian German-language
locale
in Belgium about 60% are dutch-speaking (nl_BE) and 40% are french
speaking (fr_BE) and less than 1% are german speaking (de_BE)-->
choosing de_BE seems to be a bad default value
+ related ubiquity code is here :
+ https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/tree/scripts/localechooser-apply
- related ubiquity code is here :
https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/tree/scripts/localechooser-apply
-
-
- it seems when a language (en) is selected for Belgium which is not available
as a locale (i.e. en-BE) the locale de_BE is chosen using this code
+ it seems when a language (en) is selected for Belgium which is not
+ available as a locale (i.e. en-BE) the locale de_BE is chosen using this
+ code
-- code --
- combined="$(grep ' UTF-8' /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | \
- grep "${deflang}_$COUNTRY[.@ ]" | head -n1 | \
- cut -d' ' -f1)"
+ combined="$(grep ' UTF-8' /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | \
+ grep "${deflang}_$COUNTRY[.@ ]" | head -n1 | \
+ cut -d' ' -f1)"
-- code --
-
de_BE is chosen as I suppose it is alphabetically before fr_BE and nl_BE
-
I'm not sure what the best solution is
I'd propose the following changes in order of my preference
1. add a en_BE locale (https://www.localeplanet.com/icu/en-BE/index.html) and
make that default for non wa, nl, fr and de languages
2. allow user to select nl_BE or fr_BE locale when installing ubuntu (and
maybe also de_BE or wa_BE which have much smaller % of people in Belgium) - may
require a change of ubuntu install process - but I guess Belgium is not the
only country with several languages with similar issues : Switzerland, ...
3. set default language nl for Belgium (might be politically problematic for
40% of Belgian people) but makes more sense than de
-
- related AskUbuntu question :
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1299522/belgian-formats-when-choosing-us-language-regional-language-settings-issue
+ related AskUbuntu question : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1299522
+ /belgian-formats-when-choosing-us-language-regional-language-settings-
+ issue
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