[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2016-04-08 Thread Adam Collard
** Changed in: landscape-client
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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2016-01-11 Thread Benji York
** Changed in: landscape-client (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-10-10 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/ichthux-meta

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-09-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package ichthux-meta - 1.0ubuntu12

---
ichthux-meta (1.0ubuntu12) karmic; urgency=low

  * Closes bug for sponsorship (LP: #435554)
  * Refreshed dependencies
  * Removed libstdc++5 (LP: #432018)
  * Removed kmplayer-konq-plugins from desktop
  * Removed gtk-qt-engine-kde4 from desktop (NBS)
  * Removed landscape-client from desktop (LP: #268447)
  * Removed armel, hppa, lpia, sparc

 -- Ralph Janke txwikin...@ubuntu.com   Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:37:35
+

** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress = Fix Released

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-09-23 Thread Ralph Janke
** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Low

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-09-22 Thread Ralph Janke
** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ralph Janke (txwikinger)

** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = In Progress

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-09-10 Thread Xandros Pilosa
Beside what was written, just another aspect to take into consideration.
As Siggy Brentrup pointed in ubuntu-users list, motd may be used for passing 
important information from admin to user on multi users systems and thus adding 
those kind of links, even in every plain user login,  may be considered 
inefficiently redundant, especially if they are not landscape clients. If they 
are, I am sure they know to find landscape page.
Another question is, if it's really necessary to use web link in tty login, 
even if we consent with advertising? 
Maybe the landscape-client motd entry should point to man pages and from there 
to whatever doc/www.page?

Regars

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-09-09 Thread Bernd Siggy Brentrup
I installed landscape-common after reading it's long description from the main
distribution on my 9.04, still having it on my TODO list for checking 
usefulness.
Only after posting to u-users about a new quality of SPAM in my /etc/motd I 
learned that this package was the culprit.

Comparing the bunch of files this package installs to the limited usefulness
if you are not a landscape customer, it definitely is not worth installing.
I doubt the values diplayed in motd are of any use to anyone when login
in, they might be if current at the time of login but afaict they are generated
by a cron job, a python script generating this stuff on the fly would be 100 
LOC.

Please change the wording in the long description to clarify the limited 
usefulness,
to non customers.  If it can go into main with this restriction is another 
story, contrib
comes to mind in Debian terms

Thanks
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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-04-10 Thread Ante Karamatić
Why not, instead of a link to landscape service it self, put a link to
http://www.ubuntu.com/some/page/about/support. On that page, it could be
described how to request support from Canonical, community, Canonical
partners or merge landscape-client with some, in the future to be, other
service.

Web page is more flexible than a hard coded link.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-04-09 Thread Dustin Kirkland
** Changed in: update-motd
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-04-09 Thread Bruce Cowan
ichthux-desktop recommends landscape-client.

** Also affects: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-04-08 Thread Tim Jarzombek
** Also affects: landscape-client
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: update-motd
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2009-01-26 Thread Nil
@Steve: Well, I see the rrdtool text as branding : «this graph is made
with the rrdtool, by tobi oetiker».

Even if, yes, there is no real value added by this text, it doesn't even
suggest me to look at oetiker.ch, where I could ask for services. If
landscape-client said this is lanscape, by canonical, I would feel the
same. Not very useful, but not a problem.

But lanscape-client says use our commercial services, which is more of
a commercial, and that's why I don't feel the same.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-12-06 Thread Steve McInerney
@Nil: I disagree.
I see this as merely haggling over price, to abuse George Bernard Shaw's 
classic quote.

To rephrase my understanding of your position: Your suggestion is that 
advertising *is* acceptable. But you feel the line should be here - ie 
unacceptable for commercial companies.
And implying that it is quite acceptable for a developer to extol their skills, 
and effectively act as an (arguably :-) ) in-your-face advert to their skills 
and hence draw money that way.

From my perspective, the 6 pixels height used to write that text in
RRDTool could be better spent on increasing the width of the graphs
displayed - and hence increase the value of the graphs themselves.
Further, the advertising text serves no purpose to enhance understanding
of the graph, and thus should be excised. In line with the rules from
several leading graphing experts (Tufte, Few et al).

Having said that? It's Tobi's project and I'm *profoundly* grateful for
the existence of the tool in the first place. And if that's how he
chooses to write it? So be it.

ymmv naturally. :-)

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-12-05 Thread Nil
@Steve: on the rrdtool graphs, the message tells us the software used,
and its author; in the lansdcape motd, the message invites me to use a
commercial service. it *is* very different.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-30 Thread Steve McInerney
 I can't even *find* the advertising in rrdtool.

Which begs the question of how effective it is. :-)

fwiw, it's on *every* graph produced by rrdtool.
rrdtool / tobi oetiker

I'm not aware of any way to disable that string short of code hacks, but
confess it's been about 8+ years since I last looked to try and find.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-28 Thread Jonathan Marsden
I can't even *find* the advertising in rrdtool.

rrdtool is not installed by default (in Intrepid), so I installed it.  I
then went through the tutorial to create a database and a few charts...
nowhere do I see any ads for anything remotely resembling commercial
services, nor links to anyone, unless you consider displaying the
product name and it's author's name in the generated charts to be
advertising?  I did not read every page of rrdtool documentation, but
if there are any ads in there, that's hardly obtrusive -- you have to
actively read the documentation to discover them.

The contrast with the landscape-client /etc/motd ad is, I think, clear:

(a) Is the package installed by default?  rrdtool: No; landscape-client:
Yes

(b) Is the ad repeatedly presented to all system users, as opposed to
only those who are actively choosing to use the package?  rrdtool: No;
landscape-client: Yes

Like ScottK, I think landscape-client sets a most unfortunate precedent,
and that this should be reconsidered.

If even twenty packages (never mind two hundred packages) all added just
one line of ad text each to /etc/motd , any real message of the day
would be lost in the sea of ads.  If this *is* permitted, the next level
is to target desktop machines that use GUI logins, so presumably we will
see graphical ads appearing because packages install their ad-display
code into /etc/gdm/PostLogin/ ?  I *really* do not think we want to go
there.  Applying the Golden Rule in this situation should therefore
result in *no* packages placing ads in /etc/motd , or in any other way
that displays ads to all users by default at login.

Perhaps the title of this bug report should be edited to something like
Packages should not display ads to all users by default ?

IMO it would be perfectly fine for Kees' suggested configuration of
landscape-client to be the default one.  That looks to me like a good
solution to this.  Sysadmins who wish all their users to see the ad can
then adjust their landscape-client configurations accordingly ;)

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-26 Thread Thierry Carrez
The message is not targeted only to current Landscape customers, so my bug is 
invalid.
See previous comment on how to disable that message by configuration.

** Changed in: landscape-client (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-26 Thread Andreas Hasenack
Scott, is your main issue about Landscape being proprietary? Because
there are precedents for advertising in other programs shipped with
ubuntu, such as rrdtool/mrtg for example. It's the author advertising
his site/project/work. In the landscape case, it's also the author of
the program (canonical) advertising the site and service. And it's
advertising landscape specifically, not the whole portfolio of products
and services from the author.

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Re: [Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
Yes.  I wasn't aware of those and they aren't (AFAIK) part of the default 
install.  They particularly aren't presented to me every time I log in to the 
system.  

Consider if every package that is in the default install produces some kind of 
advertising for it's developer and is present to the user on startup.  
Clearly that's an untenable situation.  I don't know of a sensible number 
other than zero that will not be controversial.  Additionally, Ubuntu 
developers who happen to work for Canonical will be poorly positioned to deal 
with more problematic cases (e.g. What, it's OK for Canonical to advertise, 
but no one else).

I see this as a slippery slope we're better off not starting down.  If there 
are other cases, as long as they aren't presented to the user by default as 
part of a standard install, then I think they are not a problem.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
I disagree.  I think it is a poor precedent to expose advertising for
proprietary products in the default configuration.  This should be opt-
in, not opt-out.  While this is not terribly intrusive, I think it sets
a poor precedent.

No advertising be default is an easy rule to understand and implement.
Advertising shouldn't be intrusive is much more subjective and will
cause conflicts in the future.  I'd prefer we had a simple, clear rule
that we don't do this kind of thing in Ubuntu.

** Changed in: landscape-client (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-25 Thread Kees Cook
Actually, this is controllable via the contents of
/etc/landscape/client.conf:

[sysinfo]
exclude_sysinfo_plugins = LandscapeLink

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
I would like a clear policy statement on this.  Is it OK if I add links
for paid services I offer in related pacakges in Ubuntu?

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-11-22 Thread Jonathan Marsden
In case anyone is looking for a quick fix/workaround to this that still
leaves landscape-client installed and generating hourly updated info in
their /etc/motd:

Edit the last line of /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo so that it
reads

/usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo |/bin/grep -v
https://landscape.canonical.com/

and the ad will disappear next time update-motd runs.  To get rid of it
right away, if you are in a really hurry for some reason, you can edit
the file as above and then do:

   sudo update-motd --force

for instant ad removal.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-10-22 Thread Hugh Saunders
In my opinion there shouldn't be canonical adverts displayed in a default 
ubuntu install. 
However if there are going to be adverts, it should be made obvious that they 
are for a product, not a free software project. Some users maybe unaware of the 
details of the ubuntu/canonical relationship and so wouldn't know from the URL 
that its not going to be free (beer). 
People may  think mmm pretty graphs and follow the link only to discover its 
a paid for service.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-10-01 Thread Kees Cook
I think Jeffrey put it well.  If this package is installed by default,
then every user logging into any stock Ubuntu server will see the
advertisement.  I think the fact that is it text makes it more
problematic, since other kind of commercial advertisements tend to be in
web applications, and blend in better (gallery2 and rt3 come to mind).
Additionally, only the admin can take action with that link, so it's not
really useful for other users to even see it.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-30 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
How intrusive is the link? My understanding is that it's a single link,
and is configurable. Would there be better wording to lead folks to the
ability to graph that information?

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Re: [Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-30 Thread Dustin Kirkland
The current MOTD printed to the screen on login looks like this (and
is not intrusive at all, in my opinion):


-
Linux t61p 2.6.27-4-generic #1 SMP Wed Sep 24 01:29:06 UTC 2008 x86_64

The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
applicable law.

To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
http://help.ubuntu.com/

  System load:  0.2Swap usage:  0% Users logged in: 1
  Usage of /:   48.7% of 19.84GB   Temperature: 43 C
  Memory usage: 35%Processes:   183

  Graph these measurements at https://landscape.canonical.com
You have new mail.
Last login: Tue Sep 30 13:19:32 2008 from localhost
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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-30 Thread Jeffrey Baker
Software written by me is shipping in Ubuntu, but a link to my
commercial service is not printed in MOTD.  See the problem?  If
everybody starts spamming up the links to their commercially supported
products, the user will be seeing a lot more adverts.  Basically it's a
bad policy, and slight affront to the authors of the software you ship,
and a nuisance to the user.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-27 Thread Jeffrey Baker
Landscape was automatically installed on my systems (I've never heard of
it) and I consider its MOTD exhortations to visit
landscape.canonical.com an intrusive form of unwanted commercial
advertising.  The message should be gotten rid of in MOTD, or whatever
causes landscape to be installed automatically in Intrepid should be
changed.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-15 Thread Andreas Hasenack
That other bug Chris mentions is #268560

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-10 Thread Jamie Strandboge
It is an active choice to install landscape client, but as landscape-
client is FLOSS and potentially can be used with other services besides
Canonical, it seems clear that this advertising should not be present.

One solution might be to add an additional update-motd file can be added
via a separate package that only Landscape customers would have
installed.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-10 Thread Jamie Strandboge
Actually, Thierry pointed out on IRC that landscape-client is
Recommended by ubuntu-desktop, which means it will affect even more
people.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-10 Thread Jamie Strandboge
To clarify, I like the advertising in MOTD, but I think there should be
a method via packaging to remove it to accommodate all users.  I'm
specifically thinking of users who want to use landscape-sysinfo, but
not with Landscape.  The current packaging requires users to modify
configuration files after install, which may be problematic for certain
classes of users. Another idea might be to add a low priority debconf
question for landscape-sysinfo to not include the advertising, which
would allow for preseeding and derivative distributions to modify this
easily.

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[Bug 268447] Re: MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are not a customer

2008-09-10 Thread Christopher Armstrong
There's a configuration mechanism for selecting which plugins sysinfo
should use, and each feature of sysinfo is implemented as a plugin,
including the footer which prints the link to landscape.canonical.com.
Unfortunately there is a bug which prevents the configuration from being
read from /etc/landscape/, which I'll be fixing very soon.

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