[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
The problem is actually that gksu does not pass on the exit states. Synaptic is giving useful exit information. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
@Matthew: Close is used in instant apply dialogs since you don't need to confirm/mark changes before. So it would be quite confusing to the user. @Colpompidou: Revert resets the state of the system as when the application was started. So we would have to remove applications that have been installed in the meantime ... Perhaps we should consider changing gnome-app-install into an application. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
Since nobody seems to be thinking about turning gnome-app-install into a full blown application and not only a preferences dialog of the desktop, I close this bug. I don't think that it is bad if users hit the apply/ok button additionally. I have often seen this behavior of users in other applications too and it is ok if it helps the user to feel more confident in using the computer. The real problems are the bad/missing synaptic exit state handling and a missing changes view. Adding both will improve the explicit apply handling a lot. ** Changed in: gnome-app-install (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Rejected -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
I'd say you don't need Revert/Cancel at all. Simply have Apply and Close. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
I became aware of this usability problem when I asked my sister to install an application : she was wondering whether she had to click on Apply or OK. I suggest Apply / Revert / Finish on the right and Help on the left. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
Well, Apply / Revert / Close may be better, where Apply and Revert do not close the window. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
** Changed in: gnome-app-install (Ubuntu) Importance: Untriaged = Wishlist Status: Unconfirmed = In Progress -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
Oh, wow, that HIG page is pretty bong. Making complete programs behave like dialogs? What did they think they were doing? OK, I guess this problem needs to be fixed in the HIGs. :-) -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
I already wrote an email to the GNOME usability list about finish/close. The decision to make gnome-app-install a dialog was made by the developers and not by the authors of the HIG. But I think that is ok to use the dialog style. Since all capplets are dialogs. Furthermore I would regard it as a preferences dialog of the desktop. Using a full blown app window also adds a lot of complexity to the application. When I started my review of g-a-i we had a mixed situation: It had elemets of both, dialog and app window. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
** Summary changed: - Button labeled OK + Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes ** Description changed: - I received a bug report about a ugly icon for the ok action the other - day (#60424). However, it struck me that the fact that the button said - OK was the real problem. So I looked it up in the Human Interface - Guidelines and asked mpt for advice on the matter. + gnome-app-install currently has Apply, Cancel, and OK buttons. + This is confusing for two reasons: (1) It makes the window look like a + dialog, when it isn't one. (2) Apply and OK in the same window often + make people think that OK means Close and do nothing else, so they + always click Apply first. - This seems to be what the HIG advices (http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-alert.html): - Button Phrasing. Write button labels as imperative verbs, for example Save, Print. This allows users to select an action with less hesitation. An active phrase also fits best with the button's role in initiating actions, as contrasted with a more passive phrase. For example Find and Log In are better buttons than than Yes and OK. + One way of fixing these problems would be to change these three buttons to two: + * Reset, which returns g-a-i to representing the current installation state; + * Apply Changes, enabled only if there are changes to apply. - With Matthew however, you never get simple answers :) - andreasn mpt: you know the Add/Remove Applications. Do you think it should say Install instead of OK in that dialog? - andreasn someone bugged me about the fact that the ok-icon was ugly, and I thought it was the ok action in itself that was the problem - andreasn perhaps Install and Close (?) - mpt andreasn, (0) insert standard protest here that g-a-i should be part of synaptic - mpt (1) It's traditionally bad for a single window to have both Apply and OK - andreasn :) - andreasn mpt: so the short time solution would be? - mpt andreasn, since this is a window rather than a dialog, I'd suggest removing Cancel and OK, leaving behind Revert (disabled until you touch anything, maybe with a better name) and Apply Changes - andreasn mpt: thanks for the help, you rock dude! - mpt andreasn, you're welcome :-) - mpt andreasn, while you're reporting bugs, ;-) Advanced should end in ? - andreasn mpt: you mean that it's a weird naming of that button? - mpt andreasn, and perhaps Revert would be better as Reset to Current State (though that's a bit clunky) - andreasn mpt: ok, so replace the current 3 buttons with 2 saying Revert Apply changes - mpt andreasn, Reset for the first one, I think - andreasn yeah, sorry, missed that - mpt it's not powerful enough to actually do reversion + (This would also fix bug 60424.) - - So, the proposal is to label the buttons like this: - - [Reset] [Apply Changes] + On a slightly unrelated note, Advanced should be Advanced…. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
The problem of the duplication of apply and ok is perhaps the missing feedback from the application. The user feels unsure if his or her changes have been applied correctly. If you click on apply at first, you get the chance to control the changes easily. Personally I don't like the generic ok too. -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 60698] Re: Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes
Here is the upstream discussion: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334947 -- Change Apply+Cancel+OK to Reset+Apply Changes https://launchpad.net/bugs/60698 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
