Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Totally agree -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
@skabbedabbeda: Please stop. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/top-five-linux-contributor- microsoft/9254 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re:[Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Hello, I think that this is a very important comment, that should be taken in account by Linux/GNU developers to improve this wonderful Open Source System I've use at work for 5 years (five years) with no problem, after all copy-paste can be also a bad thing and I've worked happily for 5 years even if this bug seems very strange for a system that has given me much less headache than Microsoft Word. I've written two important documents longer than 30 pages with Microsoft Word and this perfect program that I paid with good money refused to print both after page 30, I've had to use open office for free and everything worked... I bought an external CD burner in 2000 in a Mac store for a iMac OS 8.6, it burned 1 CD then I got always errors... If you want to feed Microsoft and Mac you can, I will feed the penguin. Best regards 3esmit (3esmit) wrote on 2012-01-26: #271 We like linux, we believe in an open source future, where open source is the best. We want all to be perfect, we dont want Mac. I like beautiful girls. I believe in an open future, where open relationships are the best and I can have sex with every girl I see, without her boyfriend wanting to shoot me. What do my perfect future and your perfect future have in common? They're both never going to happen. Open source has no future and open source will never be the best. Eric B (eric-broszeit) wrote on 2012-01-26: #273 For the most part, this has been fixed. Only a few applications are still listed, and I would not be surprised if they are fixed as well. I don't use them to check. No, only a few applications actually do work. Most application don't work and will never work. Do you now how many applications are available in Ubuntu Software Centre? Install all of them, every single application and start testing all of them. Then there are applications which aren't even available in Ubuntu Software Centre. Start testing those applications too. A clipboard should work for EVERY application, not just a part of the applications which are installed by default. That's why it shouldn't be fixed on a per-app basis, but it should be fixed in the core. That's how it works in other operating systems and that's how it belongs to work. In Mac OS X and Windows you can install every application you want and it doesn't matter where the application comes from, it just works, without the developer of the application having to think about implementing a clipboard. That's how it should work! You can expect from all developers to implement a clipboard. That's why only a few application for Linux have the clipboard implemented. Just search for replies from a person called pyrates in this bug report. He knows what he's talking about. He's one the few who knows how it should be implemented and who's able to explain why the current implementation is so bad and completely wrong. ScislaC (scislac) wrote 20 hours ago: #274 Or one could install a clipboard manager... your only solution isn't really the only solution. Clipboard managers don't work properly. They crash and don't support everything which can be copied (they only support text or text and files, but it should support everything: text, files, images, parts of an audio file, parts cut from a movie). Most of them aren't updated anymore. The developer started its project five years ago, never finished it. It's designed for a five years old Linux distribution and it haven't been updated ever since. No one is maintaing those clipboard managers, so you just can't rely on them. An operating should have a proper working clipboard of its own. You just install the operating system and then install whatever application you like and it should just work, without the need of installing a clipboard manager, without the need to keep the source window open and without developers having to implement a clipboard in their applications. That's something you open source idiots just don't understand... correction: don't want to understand. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a duplicate bug report (430563). https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Dear @skabbedabbeda We like linux, we believe in an open source future, where open source is the best. We want all to be perfect, we dont want Mac. 2012/1/26 skabbedabbeda 11...@bugs.launchpad.net: @matteo sisti sette (matteosistisette): Reported by Arandonohue on 2004-12-20. That's indeed more than 6 years, but it's even more than 7 years. Besides that, it's been more than 7 years the bug was reported on Ubuntu's Launchpad, but this bug is way older. Even before Ubuntu existed, this bug already existed and was to be found in Linux distributions which existed 10 years ago. Don't expect this bug to be fixed, because developers just don't care about this bug. If you want to get rid of this bug, then there's only one solution: Don't use this crap anymore. Install Windows or buy a Mac (or try to install Mac OS X on a regular PC). That's the only solution. My advice is to buy a Mac. I know they aren't cheap, but I did so and it works great. It's just absolutely gorgeous. Everything just works as it's supposed to. Just get rid of Linux completely. Using another distribution isn't an option, because it's all the same crap. Linux is only good for servers which run without a GUI, it's just not designed for desktops. For your desktop there are only two operatings systems which really work: Windows and Mac OS X (although I'm so sure about the first one, but it's way better than any Linux distribution available.) -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste Status in AbiWord: Confirmed Status in ChmSee: Unknown Status in Chromium Browser: Unknown Status in Eclipse: Unknown Status in Chat app, and Telepathy user interface: Unknown Status in Epiphany - Clone of BoulderDash Game: New Status in gnome-utils - GNOME Desktop Utilities: New Status in GnuCash - Finance manager: Confirmed Status in GTK+ GUI Toolkit: Confirmed Status in Inkscape: A Vector Drawing Tool: Confirmed Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Tomboy: New Status in Webkit Direct Port: Fix Released Status in X.Org X server: Invalid Status in Xournal: New Status in XUL + XPCOM application runner: Fix Released Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++=== IMPORTANT 1: Please see the WORKAROUND a few lines below. IMPORTANT 2: Please don't post any me too message; use the Does this bug affect you? feature you can find a bit above this bug description on launchpad. IMPORTANT 3: Do not post anything if you haven't read all comments to verify that your point hasn't been made. If you feel tempted to stop reading because there are too many messages, that is a strong indicator that you shouldn't add even more comments. Developers have a tough time to find anything if you post redundant stuff. So please abstain from doing that. *** WORKAROUND *** --- Install klipper, glipper, parcellite or xfce4-clipman When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text from somewhere and after that close the program where it is, the clipboard gets empty. Steps to reproduce in gedit : 1. Pick any text field that supports copying, copy some text. 2. Paste into any other text field. 3. It works. 4. Close the source window or program. 5. Paste now does nothing. This bug will happen in any application that doesn't comply with the clipboard specification from FreeDesktop. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager There was also previous considerations about improving xserver-xorg clipboard, which would reduce adaptation work from upstream projects to comply with the specification. Xorg : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25220 http://www.x.org/wiki/CutAndPaste Actual Status : - Not fixed : -- OpenOffice : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092 GIMP | GTK+ : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510204 Gnucash : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510205 Inkscape : This bug. Fixed : + Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird (Xulrunner) : Fixed in 1.9.3 trunk https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340 Evolution : Fixed in 2.29 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258374 Chromium : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32291 Pidgin : Fixed Gedit : Fixed Most Gnome apps, Fixed * To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
skabbedabbeda wrote 2012-01-26 14:01: My advice is to buy a Mac. I know they aren't cheap, but I did so and it works great. It's just absolutely gorgeous. Everything just works as it's supposed to. Just get rid of Linux completely. This is a bug report please keep discussion to the bug itself. A bug resolution is NOT to switch OS. You, of course are free to do whatever you want. Please keep your opinions to your personal blog or elsewhere. /m -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
For the most part, this has been fixed. Only a few applications are still listed, and I would not be surprised if they are fixed as well. I don't use them to check. No reason to get upset and spend a grand or more on a certain expensive hardwares and OSes. On Jan 26, 2012 8:46 AM, Martin Lindhe 11...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: skabbedabbeda wrote 2012-01-26 14:01: My advice is to buy a Mac. I know they aren't cheap, but I did so and it works great. It's just absolutely gorgeous. Everything just works as it's supposed to. Just get rid of Linux completely. This is a bug report please keep discussion to the bug itself. A bug resolution is NOT to switch OS. You, of course are free to do whatever you want. Please keep your opinions to your personal blog or elsewhere. /m -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a duplicate bug report (264805). https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Dont feed the troll, please. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re:[Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
I've tried and on ubuntu 8.04 it seems to work Bye! For everyone who wants this bug to be fixed in this crappy, amateuristic operating system: It will never happen. The only way to solve is this problem: Buy a Mac or install Windows. I'm confident a big number of people who subscribed to this bug of clicked Affects me too have already solved this problem by just not using Linux anymore. Most people who try Linux, uninstall it again within a few months, because they get so annoyed by all those bugs. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a duplicate bug report (430563). https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Slated, please dont feed the trolls... El , Slated 11...@bugs.launchpad.net escribió: pyrates: use to the method that windows and mac os x do. Tralalalala: open source idiot. Endolith: Just switch to a working OS like Windows 7. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Ubuntu community. I seem to be in the wrong place. I came here looking for a GNU/Linux distro (am I allowed to say GNU on an Ubuntu site, or is that censored?), but apparently this is a Windows/Mac evangelism site. So the question is, if you're all so enamoured with Windows and the Mac, why don't you just stick to those operating systems, instead of trying to pervert GNU/Linux into the very thing people switch to GNU/Linux to get away from? Or is that too obvious? Anyway, good luck fixing your bug. May you and your Windows, erm, I mean Linux operating system be very happy together. -- You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug (528538). https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste Status in AbiWord: Confirmed Status in ChmSee: Unknown Status in Chromium Browser: Unknown Status in Eclipse: Unknown Status in Chat app, and Telepathy user interface: Unknown Status in Epiphany - Clone of BoulderDash Game: New Status in gnome-utils - GNOME Desktop Utilities: New Status in GnuCash - Finance manager: Confirmed Status in GTK+ GUI Toolkit: Confirmed Status in Inkscape: A Vector Drawing Tool: Confirmed Status in NULL Project: Invalid Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Tomboy: New Status in Webkit Direct Port: Fix Released Status in X.Org X server: Confirmed Status in Xournal: New Status in XUL + XPCOM application runner: Fix Released Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++=== IMPORTANT 1: Please see the WORKAROUND a few lines below. IMPORTANT 2: Please don't post any me too message; use the Does this bug affect you? feature you can find a bit above this bug description on launchpad. IMPORTANT 3: Do not post anything if you haven't read all comments to verify that your point hasn't been made. If you feel tempted to stop reading because there are too many messages, that is a strong indicator that you shouldn't add even more comments. Developers have a tough time to find anything if you post redundant stuff. So please abstain from doing that. *** WORKAROUND *** --- Install klipper, glipper, parcellite or xfce4-clipman When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text from somewhere and after that close the program where it is, the clipboard gets empty. Steps to reproduce in gedit : 1. Pick any text field that supports copying, copy some text. 2. Paste into any other text field. 3. It works. 4. Close the source window or program. 5. Paste now does nothing. This bug will happen in any application that doesn't comply with the clipboard specification from FreeDesktop. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager There was also previous considerations about improving xserver-xorg clipboard, which would reduce adaptation work from upstream projects to comply with the specification. Xorg : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25220 http://www.x.org/wiki/CutAndPaste Actual Status : - Not fixed : -- OpenOffice : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092 GIMP | GTK+ : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510204 Gnucash : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510205 Inkscape : This bug. Fixed : + Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird (Xulrunner) : Fixed in 1.9.3 trunk https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340 Evolution : Fixed in 2.29 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258374 Chromium : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32291 Pidgin : Fixed Gedit : Fixed Most Gnome apps, Fixed * To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscribe -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
I tackled this bug a bit last summer for Ubuntu and Google Summer of Code, focusing specifically on GTK+ programs. You can check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClipboardPersistence/ for some information on what's happening and how to fix it. Please feel free to update that page if you find anything that's out of date, and to email me if you're a programmer and you have any questions. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Kiki mess...@gmail.com wrote: Ok so I have a little free time on my hands. Hope I have enough programming experience to at least come up with something useful. As I can see, the applications that suffer from the bug are being fixed. So the problem is related to different apps not complying to the standard. What does this mean? Does this mean all the apps need to be changed or does some change need to be made in Xorg? Cris On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:30 AM, pyrates 11...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This here is the problem with linux on the desktop. You have programmers like Slated here thinking inside a very narrow definition. He wants X11, now Xorg, to be modular at the cost of convenience. He's willing to put up with inadequacies like this just so it remains in his narrow definition of what it should do. And your trying to connect the clipboard with security doesn't jive. Linux I find on the servers I run gets updated just as often as windows does. I find the copy on select and middle click paste functionality abhorring. It is so error prone that only those who specifically know what they are doing, programmers and advanced linux users, can use it. And the only reason why it was implemented the way it was, was because they didn't want to change the terminal commands ctrl+c and they wanted it to work in a terminal first and that should be how it should work elsewhere. And the people who could implement it refuse to because they don't like it. They instead in their arrogant way, assume programmers who are use to the method that windows and mac os x do to work with the clipboard, think they will change their ways just to create their app on linux. Seeing the number of applications that don't comply with this goes to show that those programmers of windows and mac os x refuse to give in. That they want the clipboard to be just like it is on windows and mac os x. Telling them they need to add low level access just to deal with the clipboard on linux is stupid. All they should need to worry about is copying the data to the clipboard. The clipboard should worry about keeping this data. Not the app that the data was copied from. And besides, X11 and Xorg is ancient. It was dropped by google on android. Ubuntu and Fedora are moving away from it to wayland. it's just a mess of patches of kludge fixes that it's beyond saving. You can't implement anything modern on it cleanly without it ending up being a kludge. No one really uses the remote network capabilities of it anymore. It being modular has actually hurt it. And besides, it's not the 1980's anymore. We got computers that are way more powerful then that with a lot more memory that can easily deal with a persistent clipboard. So it's time to get away from that. It's what end users are use to. Don't be afraid to use the resources you are given. And the temporary solution of running a program to fix the clipboard is a problem in itself. You need to install it and most of the time they only support text. What about video, audio and other types of binary data? This was known about in 1993 and in a couple years it will be 20 years since the problem was known about. To say open source moves rapidly isn't always true when it comes to features end users want and programmers don't care to implement because no one is paying them money to implement it. Ubuntu has done a good job of making things easier but these fundamental features need to be their. That's how you'll become mainstream. I kept hearing every year from 2000-2010 that this year was gonna be the year of linux on the desktop. Well it hasn't happened. And the typical back pedal response was that we don't want to become mainstream then. So instead of fixing the problem, we'll just come up with another excuse not to fix it. Great job guys. -- You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste Status in AbiWord: Confirmed Status in ChmSee: Unknown Status in Chromium Browser: Unknown Status in Eclipse: Unknown Status in Chat app, and Telepathy user interface: Unknown Status in Epiphany - Clone of BoulderDash Game: New Status in gnome-utils - GNOME Desktop Utilities: New Status in GnuCash - Finance manager: Confirmed Status in GTK+ GUI Toolkit:
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Please keep this on topic. This bug report is not about adding a clipboard manager; it is about misbehaving clients which do not implement X's clipboard stuff to it's fullest extent. There is no change to the accepted system going on here; only bug fixes. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Ok so I have a little free time on my hands. Hope I have enough programming experience to at least come up with something useful. As I can see, the applications that suffer from the bug are being fixed. So the problem is related to different apps not complying to the standard. What does this mean? Does this mean all the apps need to be changed or does some change need to be made in Xorg? Cris On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:30 AM, pyrates 11...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This here is the problem with linux on the desktop. You have programmers like Slated here thinking inside a very narrow definition. He wants X11, now Xorg, to be modular at the cost of convenience. He's willing to put up with inadequacies like this just so it remains in his narrow definition of what it should do. And your trying to connect the clipboard with security doesn't jive. Linux I find on the servers I run gets updated just as often as windows does. I find the copy on select and middle click paste functionality abhorring. It is so error prone that only those who specifically know what they are doing, programmers and advanced linux users, can use it. And the only reason why it was implemented the way it was, was because they didn't want to change the terminal commands ctrl+c and they wanted it to work in a terminal first and that should be how it should work elsewhere. And the people who could implement it refuse to because they don't like it. They instead in their arrogant way, assume programmers who are use to the method that windows and mac os x do to work with the clipboard, think they will change their ways just to create their app on linux. Seeing the number of applications that don't comply with this goes to show that those programmers of windows and mac os x refuse to give in. That they want the clipboard to be just like it is on windows and mac os x. Telling them they need to add low level access just to deal with the clipboard on linux is stupid. All they should need to worry about is copying the data to the clipboard. The clipboard should worry about keeping this data. Not the app that the data was copied from. And besides, X11 and Xorg is ancient. It was dropped by google on android. Ubuntu and Fedora are moving away from it to wayland. it's just a mess of patches of kludge fixes that it's beyond saving. You can't implement anything modern on it cleanly without it ending up being a kludge. No one really uses the remote network capabilities of it anymore. It being modular has actually hurt it. And besides, it's not the 1980's anymore. We got computers that are way more powerful then that with a lot more memory that can easily deal with a persistent clipboard. So it's time to get away from that. It's what end users are use to. Don't be afraid to use the resources you are given. And the temporary solution of running a program to fix the clipboard is a problem in itself. You need to install it and most of the time they only support text. What about video, audio and other types of binary data? This was known about in 1993 and in a couple years it will be 20 years since the problem was known about. To say open source moves rapidly isn't always true when it comes to features end users want and programmers don't care to implement because no one is paying them money to implement it. Ubuntu has done a good job of making things easier but these fundamental features need to be their. That's how you'll become mainstream. I kept hearing every year from 2000-2010 that this year was gonna be the year of linux on the desktop. Well it hasn't happened. And the typical back pedal response was that we don't want to become mainstream then. So instead of fixing the problem, we'll just come up with another excuse not to fix it. Great job guys. -- You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 Title: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste Status in AbiWord: Confirmed Status in ChmSee: Unknown Status in Chromium Browser: Unknown Status in Eclipse: Unknown Status in Chat app, and Telepathy user interface: Unknown Status in Epiphany - Clone of BoulderDash Game: New Status in gnome-utils - GNOME Desktop Utilities: New Status in GnuCash - Finance manager: Confirmed Status in GTK+ GUI Toolkit: Confirmed Status in Inkscape: A Vector Drawing Tool: Confirmed Status in NULL Project: Invalid Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Tomboy: New Status in Webkit Direct Port: Fix Released Status in X.Org X server: Confirmed Status in Xournal: New Status in XUL + XPCOM application runner: Fix Released Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++===
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
It's fixed in Firefox 4, of which a beta will hit Natty soon. There are some upstream blockers on getting it into Firefox 3.6. On 11/16/2010 12:42 PM, matteo sisti sette wrote: Contrary to what is stated in the description (under status/fixed) it is NOT fixed in Firefox. Copy from firefox, then close firefox, then paste into another program, doesn't paste. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
There sould be a type of clipboard that references de opened program itself, to keep also the old style, since some programs like programs suite (i.e. adobe creative suite) have many types of data that it can be copy and pasted as objects that one program grabs directally from other (i.e. copy a photoshop layer to illustrator, the layers may be there in illustrator, since it just got the same memory reference to the same generic data object) By default, the XServer threats the good sense way for all programs that just didnt care about the clipboard managing. I like selection, I just wish I could reselect other text and drop the selection over it (maybe a special modifier key?) Selection should be 1. activated by user. 2. possiblity to program choose ignore it when it wishes so. Thanks all. 2010/6/19 Bug Watch Updater bugwa...@bugs.launchpad.net ** Changed in: tomboy Status: Unknown = New -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in AbiWord: Confirmed Status in ChmSee: Unknown Status in Chromium Browser: Unknown Status in Eclipse: Unknown Status in Chat app, and Telepathy user interface: Confirmed Status in Epiphany - Clone of BoulderDash Game: New Status in gnome-utils - GNOME Desktop Utilities: New Status in GnuCash - Finance manager: Unknown Status in GTK+ GUI Toolkit: New Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Invalid Status in Inkscape: A Vector Drawing Tool: New Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed Status in Tomboy: New Status in X.Org X server: Confirmed Status in XUL + XPCOM application runner: Fix Released Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++=== IMPORTANT 1: Please see the WORKAROUND a few lines below. IMPORTANT 2: Please don't post any me too message; use the Does this bug affect you? feature you can find a bit above this bug description on launchpad. IMPORTANT 3: Do not post anything if you haven't read all comments to verify that your point hasn't been made. If you feel tempted to stop reading because there are too many messages, that is a strong indicator that you shouldn't add even more comments. Developers have a tough time to find anything if you post redundant stuff. So please abstain from doing that. *** WORKAROUND *** --- Install klipper, glipper, parcellite or xfce4-clipman When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text from somewhere and after that close the program where it is, the clipboard gets empty. Steps to reproduce in gedit : 1. Pick any text field that supports copying, copy some text. 2. Paste into any other text field. 3. It works. 4. Close the source window or program. 5. Paste now does nothing. This bug will happen in any application that doesn't comply with the clipboard specification from FreeDesktop. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager There was also previous considerations about improving xserver-xorg clipboard, which would reduce adaptation work from upstream projects to comply with the specification. Xorg : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25220 http://www.x.org/wiki/CutAndPaste Actual Status : - Not fixed : -- OpenOffice : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092 GIMP | GTK+ : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510230 Chromium : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32291 Gnucash : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510205 Inkscape : ??? Fixed : + Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird (Xulrunner) : Fixed in 1.9.3 trunk https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340 Evolution : Fixed in 2.29 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258374 Pidgin : Fixed Gedit : Fixed Most Gnome apps, Fixed * To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/abiword/+bug/11334/+subscribe -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Its would be a great solution but i think that its a solution that requires a lot of work, and would be incompatible with other distributions. Somebody knows the internal structure of XServer to say if i am in a error? 2010/5/24 J Bruni joaohbr...@yahoo.com.br Wondering aloud If the application that owns the clipboard provides its contents (unavailable once it is closed)... What if we always make Xserver itself be this application (the owner of the contents), and thus always serve its contents (always available!) i.e., when the user copies (CTRL+C) or cuts (CTRL+V) instead of stopping at the point where the current application is flagged as owner... just go ahead and transfer contents + ownership to Xserver so, when the user pastes (CTRL+V) elsewhere, it will retrieve contents from Xserver... it doesn't matter if source application is opened or closed... Makes sense? Do we need a more complicated design for the solution? Or can we move forward by finding out how to implement the idea above? -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts: Invalid Status in X.Org X server: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++=== IMPORTANT 1: Please see the WORKAROUND a few lines below. IMPORTANT 2: Please don't post any me too message; use the Does this bug affect you? feature you can find a bit above this bug description on launchpad. IMPORTANT 3: Do not post anything if you haven't read all comments to verify that your point hasn't been made. If you feel tempted to stop reading because there are too many messages, that is a strong indicator that you shouldn't add even more comments. Developers have a tough time to find anything if you post redundant stuff. So please abstain from doing that. *** WORKAROUND *** --- Install klipper, glipper, parcellite or xfce4-clipman When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text from somewhere and after that close the program where it is, the clipboard gets empty. Steps to reproduce in gedit : 1. Pick any text field that supports copying, copy some text. 2. Paste into any other text field. 3. It works. 4. Close the source window or program. 5. Paste now does nothing. This bug will happen in any application that doesn't comply with the clipboard specification from FreeDesktop. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager There was also previous considerations about improving xserver-xorg clipboard, which would reduce adaptation work from upstream projects to comply with the specification. Xorg : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25220 http://www.x.org/wiki/CutAndPaste Actual Status : - Not fixed : -- OpenOffice : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092 GIMP | GTK+ : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510230 Chromium : http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32291 Gnucash : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510205 Inkscape : ??? Fixed : + Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird (Xulrunner) : Fixed in 1.9.3 trunk https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340 Evolution : Fixed in 2.29 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258374 Pidgin : Fixed Gedit : Fixed Most Gnome apps, Fixed * To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/11334/+subscribe -- Julio_Sao XD -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Michael Nagel, I have read carefully your comment and I think you are right for the non-static data and it might be also complicated to deal with the history of clipboard managers and this kind of data also... We could have a history per clipboard type, the text history would have more items than bitmap type, etc. But there is some problems with the clipboard manager workaround : Parcellite - it is not a Gnome application (does not use gconf, stay in the notification area, etc) and it is not going to be maintained anymore (see parcellite website) Glipper - dead for three years, and it is written in the mailing list of the project that it won't be maintained anymore If we want to have a clipboard manager integrated to distributions, the first thing to have is maybe a well maintained application for that first ? I think we should continue the development of Glipper because it is written in python and it is easy to patch, maintain and it is also a real gnome application. Plugins are also very easy to add. Is someone interesting in making a fork or something about Glipper ? Once we have a maintained clipboard manager, we could add more features like the ability to manage different kinds of contents of the clipboard. 2010/5/24, Michael Nagel ubu...@nailor.devzero.de: Making the xserver the owner of all content is pretty much the same as using a clipboard manager and making that the owner of all content. There are working clipboard managers ready to be installed from the repository -- namely klipper, glipper and parcellite . they are the more or less official workaround as suggested by collin watson (see comment # 207 ) why none of these clipboard managers is installed by default goes beyond my understanding. There is one problem with these clipboard manager that causes problems with programs like e.g. the gimp and other, that is quite hard to fix properly. When exporting some lines of text to the clipboard the suggested approach (just grabbing it when it is exported) will work just fine. With binary data like images the problem gets more complicated because now you have a lot more data and it potentially contains lots of troublesome bits (nullbytes and the like) that must not crash nor confuse your clipboard manager. but that is pretty much solved by current clipboard mangers, too. The real problem is about nonstatic data. In the above examples the content was present in the source application and you only had to copy it away from there. The clipboard offers functionality to create the data on demand. For example you could work on some vector graphic in inkscape and copy and paste the data to gimp where it would arrive as pixel data. The pixel data is only created when you paste it somewhere. So you can copy a hundred times and paste only the last copy, then only that version will be converted to pixel data. That is the clipboard basically asks your application to provide some content and it is up to you if you answer with some existing data or generate some new data just to satisfy that request. When that generation is expensive it is not practicable to do it every time something is offered to the clipboard but only when something is requested from the clipboard. But a clipboard manager basically request the data every time some data is offered to the clipboard invalidating that optimization and causing a lot of data to be generated and transferred. That overhead might be tolerated, too. But to further complicate matters: When exporting something to the clipboard you don't export something fixed. Fixed means you already decided about what to export (although you might not yet have created it yet -- see above). No, you say that you offer plain text, rich text, binary data or a nice picture. When pasting the application does not request the contents of the clipboard but says it understands plain text, vector graphics, binary data and wave sounds. Now some arbitration takes place and the applications agree on transferring plain text (or binary data whatever is better for some definition of better). Thus it is not even clear what a clipboard manager should grab when an application offers some data for export to the clipboard. It might grab all the offered datastreams but that obviously means some heavy overhead... One thing gnome does is to offer a clipboard manager where your application can store the things it offers to the clipboard when it exits. Control over the clipboard is then transferred to that clipboard manager. That way no data is lost and data is only copied when your application exits, minimizing overhead. This means each and every past, present and future application must be extended to make use of that manager (opt in instead of opt out or forced use of the manager). That is not gonna happen. Furthermore it will not work for crashing applications... Conclusion: Why not go with a clipboard manager that grabs everything? And then
Re:[Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Very good! Bye Thanks guys - finally the bug is fixed and backported everywhere :) April Fools' day! Sorry guys -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Bartolomeo Nicolotti v.Fossano 18 12040 Montanera (CN) bart.nicolo...@libero.it http://www.bartolomeonicolotti.it -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
@toobuntu: That would be a great idea. Not yet an acceptable solution, but at least give the feeling that the *problem* is officially recognized by the dev team, and not just a wish. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 19:13 +, Tralalalala wrote: [...much ranting elided...] Users are losing their work time after time. They write a large e-mail in OpenOffice.org (yes, some people do such things), then copy everything, close OpenOffice.org and start Evolution to send the contents of the clipboard to someone. This works in every operating system (except Linux) and users are used to this behavior. It's completely obvious this works, always and everywhere. It's completely obvious to expect this behavior in Linux and it's completely ridiculous this doesn't work in Linux. For a user it's completely obvious the content isn't lost, so a user just closes OpenOffice.org and is really surprised when he wants to paste the content of the clipboard in Evolution and the clipboard is empty. A user really doesn't know what's going on and he's lost maybe an hour of work!!! Indeed, this is what concerns me. When I was doing product development, a bug that caused loss of user data was SEV 1 and took priority over just about everything else. I'm having a hard time reconciling this with Importance: wishlist in launchpad. While I acknowledge the challenge of getting the problem fixed in a large variety of applications, I think a lot of the heated discussion here would be reduced if launchpad more clearly acknowledged the severity of the bug. The affects me too mechanism is relevant, of course; evidently 53 people have found/used it. But when people are affected by this bug, they're much more likely to throw their computer out the window than learn about launchpad and find the affects me too button. On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 20:24 +, Saïvann Carignan wrote: Dan Connolly : Developers regularly read bugs. When they can fix the bug, they assign the bug to themself and generally, it doesn't take a week before we get a update. Each Ubuntu release has blueprints, which are discussed in UDS with the ubuntu concil. What's UDS? Whats the ubuntu council? Ah.. At the beginning of a new development cycle, Ubuntu developers from around the world gather to help shape and scope the next release of Ubuntu. The summit is open to the public, but is not a traditional conference, exhibition or other audience-oriented event. Rather, it is an opportunity for Ubuntu developers - who usually collaborate online - to work together in person on specific tasks. -- http://www.ubuntu.com/news/spotlight/uds The social structures and community processes of Ubuntu are supervised by the Ubuntu Community Council. It is the Community Council that approves the creation of a new Team or Project, and appointment of team leaders. ... You can submit an item or proposal for discussion by the Community Council using the wiki page CommunityCouncilAgenda. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council Thanks. That's the sort of answer I was looking for when I asked how development priorities get set. -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Hi Dan Connolly I'm answering you directly if you don't mind to don't spam other users. Actually I doubt that the priority has been set by a developer yet, therefore the current priority is probably only there to make sure that they notice the bug. This bug is older than the Affect me too feature, therefore bug triagers were more likely to use Importance field to bring some bugs to the eyes of the developers. This status could even have been set by me, when I was a member of the bug control team during the last year. But it's more likely to be a temporary status, however I agree that it's frustrating at the moment. I understand your concerns and they're all valid for sure. I don't know what else to say because I don't have any more information about this, I already did what I could do : making a well written bug report based on all information I found about this issue in all duplicate bugs, I reported the issue to most popular upstream project and merged all duplicates together. Therefore for the next part, I think that this would need to be discussed with ubuntu X developers or X developers themselves. At a first glance, I would say that the Ubuntu X team is probably the good place to speak about this issue concerning Canonical, if it was your intention. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X Thanks for your interest in improving the situation of this bug. Best regards, Saïvann On 2010-02-22 10:15, Dan Connolly wrote: On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 19:13 +, Tralalalala wrote: [...much ranting elided...] Users are losing their work time after time. They write a large e-mail in OpenOffice.org (yes, some people do such things), then copy everything, close OpenOffice.org and start Evolution to send the contents of the clipboard to someone. This works in every operating system (except Linux) and users are used to this behavior. It's completely obvious this works, always and everywhere. It's completely obvious to expect this behavior in Linux and it's completely ridiculous this doesn't work in Linux. For a user it's completely obvious the content isn't lost, so a user just closes OpenOffice.org and is really surprised when he wants to paste the content of the clipboard in Evolution and the clipboard is empty. A user really doesn't know what's going on and he's lost maybe an hour of work!!! Indeed, this is what concerns me. When I was doing product development, a bug that caused loss of user data was SEV 1 and took priority over just about everything else. I'm having a hard time reconciling this with Importance: wishlist in launchpad. While I acknowledge the challenge of getting the problem fixed in a large variety of applications, I think a lot of the heated discussion here would be reduced if launchpad more clearly acknowledged the severity of the bug. The affects me too mechanism is relevant, of course; evidently 53 people have found/used it. But when people are affected by this bug, they're much more likely to throw their computer out the window than learn about launchpad and find the affects me too button. On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 20:24 +, Saïvann Carignan wrote: Dan Connolly : Developers regularly read bugs. When they can fix the bug, they assign the bug to themself and generally, it doesn't take a week before we get a update. Each Ubuntu release has blueprints, which are discussed in UDS with the ubuntu concil. What's UDS? Whats the ubuntu council? Ah.. At the beginning of a new development cycle, Ubuntu developers from around the world gather to help shape and scope the next release of Ubuntu. The summit is open to the public, but is not a traditional conference, exhibition or other audience-oriented event. Rather, it is an opportunity for Ubuntu developers - who usually collaborate online - to work together in person on specific tasks. -- http://www.ubuntu.com/news/spotlight/uds The social structures and community processes of Ubuntu are supervised by the Ubuntu Community Council. It is the Community Council that approves the creation of a new Team or Project, and appointment of team leaders. ... You can submit an item or proposal for discussion by the Community Council using the wiki page CommunityCouncilAgenda. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council Thanks. That's the sort of answer I was looking for when I asked how development priorities get set. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
You are correct in your statement, if you just read the bug description, there is almost no mention about xserver-xorg. The idea that the specification should change (which means modifying xserver-xorg behavior) only appears in last comments. Some users speaks like if this has always been THE solution. However, at the very first beginning, there was already a specification so any apps that is closed can register it's clipboard content, so the clipboard don't get lost once this application is closed. However, most developers and users don't like this specification, because it's not how clipboard works on windows and Mac for instance. Added to the difficulty level to fix this, the reticence of upstream developers is one of the first reason why this bug still exist and is still annoying. Therefore even if everybody claims to have THE solution, it's more basically a war between two opinions : 1. All applications should comply with clipboard specification. 2. Xserver-xorg should improve and clean up his clipboard (and drop.. or dratically change his Selection methods, that many developers love and used since the beginning of xserver-xorg so it won't interfere with the basic features of clipboard.) Each of these idea is insane, as it requires a lot of work, because xserver-xorg is not a brand new project, the quantity of people and projects that relies on it is montruous. Of course, as you said, if one day xserver-xorg decide to attack idea #2, they will work with freedesktop to create a new specification. However your last statement is wrong, there is a bug report for many applications concerning this, you can all find a list of fixed and unfixed bug reports in the launchpad bug description. I actually was the one who managed to merge a ton of bugs all about this issue 1 year ago, and after reading them all, I found reference to the specification in one of them, and therefore I made sure that every important projects (such as evolution, firefox, etc.) was aware of this, by opening a bug report in their bug tracking system, and adding a reference to this in the launchpad bug report description. And of course anybody can report this bug to any other upstream project that is not already listed in the description. That means searching for the bug tracking system of the said application on Google, subscribe there, search if the bug is not already reported, and if not, report a new bug, and finally, take the address of the bug and add it to the launchpad bug description. Unfortunately, once I made that for all the most important projects, the bug almost got only users complaining, but nobody wiling to take a few minutes to verify if they could improve the bug report by adding their own applications if they also have the bug. The description almost didn't change for more than one year. However if you look at the bug description, you'll notice that it's fixed in most GNOME applications, and all future xulrunner applications (firefox, thunderbird, sunbird, etc.). I'm not expert enough to have my opinion on what should be done. Idea #1 and #2 seems to both have many good and bad sides. Saïvann On 2010-02-20 04:42, Jackflap wrote: Saïvann : It's not only up to xserver-xorg to fix this. There is an independent Freedesktop specification outlining how the clipboard works. It says clearly that all applications, when quitting should export the clipboard contents to the global clipboard. xserver-xorg actually adheres to the specification properly. It's actually everything else which are behaving incorrectly (a couple of them actually already work properly). So I wouldn't say that it's up to xserver-xorg to break the spec and fix this. If anything, maybe the spec should be improved, then xserver-xorg will be obliged to fix the behaviour. However I never felt technically comfortable enough to start a discussion on the Freedesktop mailing list since I don't feel I understand the underlying issues well enough. That being said, if the Canonical usability decided to focus on the clipboard for a release, the absolute bare-minimum that they would do would be to correct the behaviour of all applications installed by default. This would be a massive improvement already. They would probably also work with the Freedesktop spec in order to improve it (as they did with the notification area and are doing with the application indicators). Who knows, with any luck they could improve the clipboard beyond how it is implemented in Windows/Mac. One thing that stands out to me, is that there are no launchpad bugs for each independent application linked to this one. Someone should really go and find/submit the related bugs and link them to this one. ** Description changed: *** WORKAROUND *** --- Install klipper, glipper, or parcellite When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
I do agree that this bug is an epic fail. I do agree with the comment saying that we are users, not developpers. (On this, I would also add that is really hard to join the developper community, it's not user friendly at all.) But I must disagree about the comment comparing Linux to Mac OS. When people are not paid to do something, their are differences. The difference is even bigger if the projet doesn't have the support of the market ( we must do our own drivers for some material) The work involved in linux is bigger because other OS doesn't have to do this work... and their employe are motivated by their pay. That said, clipboard is an Epic failure and should be the priority #1 for any future version, really. -- - Francois Mazerolle, webmaster - www.cybercity2034.com -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
@Jackflap: No matter the development model, by it's nature, the project tend to a goal: Be an operating system. Having no real clipboard that really works is a failure to this goal. 2010/2/19 Jackflap derizio...@gmail.com Look it's open-source. It's an open-source development model. That's how it works. Why do you have to rant and rave on a technical bugtracker about a development model that clearly doesnt satisfy your expectations? Perhaps open-source just isn't for you. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- - Francois Mazerolle, webmaster - www.cybercity2034.com -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 16:47 +, Jackflap wrote: Look it's open-source. It's an open-source development model. That's how it works. Is it really every-man-for-himself in Ubuntu? Doesn't Shuttleworth set priorities for each release? Isn't there a paid Canonical development staff? Don't they get together and put more priority on some things than on others? I ask in all seriousness... I'd like to know how, if at all, this launchpad bug system interacts with the way the core development team sets priorities. -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
How intuitive that bug system is for casual users In 5 years, no one has been able to report this bug to the right place. :( -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Linking a bug report can be done with two click, and launchpad has a good documentation. Personnaly, I didn't even know that. Maybe it's easy when you know how to do, but the interface is not intuitive for doing so. Users will not read pages of documentation to report a bug. They already must do an extra action over their regular work to report a bug, reading a documentation should not be an obligation if the interface was good. As for my question with the nominate for release, I really think I have done something wrong with this, and I still don't know what exactly it is, and how to remove it. Lauchpad have a really bad user interace for the normal user (maybe fonctionnal for debuggers, but NOT intuitive for users), but this point is off the topic. 2010/2/19 Saïvann Carignan oxmo...@gmail.com Jackflap : As said previously, Canonical and Mark Shuttleworth are not in charge of xserver-xorg development. Ubuntu is a distribution. Canonical can contribute to bugfixes to upstream projects such as xserver-xorg, but drastic changes of concept needs to be done by the upstream projects themselves, by qualified developers. If people start to pollute Ayatana discussions with this unrelated issue, there will be no benefit either for Ayatana and this bug report. Instead, invite every people who suffer from this bug to click the Affect me too button. That will give visibility to this bug to Canonical. If this bug is not fixed yet, it's because it is not a easy bug, not because xserver-xorg or Canonical is not aware of this issue. However as long as you only refer to ubuntu bug report, xserver-xorg developers don't get any attention to this issue. And anyway, a bug report is not the right place to discuss, it only makes thing more difficult for developers as bug reports are polluted, therefore we should not be surprise that they stop using it, and work silently. FUSA applet, notifications, simplescan, upstart are Canonical projects, not xserver-xorg. FMaz : Linking a bug report can be done with two click, and launchpad has a good documentation. That only means that in 5 years, nobody took care to open and link a bug at xserver-xorg, users and developers. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- - Francois Mazerolle, webmaster - www.cybercity2034.com -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
That's so true... I think a bug should be raised of priority when it start to flood the bug tracker database with tons of duplicates complains. Actually, my nightmare are about me, learning C+ at a suffisent level to submit a patch. IMO, that should also be considered as a good reason to increase the bug priority. 2010/2/9 LimCore user.ubu...@limcore.com This is crazy, this bug has 45 people that take time to go to LP and click affects-me-too, it has a dozen of duplicates, it is one of most reported bug I seen, and yet it is just Wishlist priority?! Ubuntu fails to provide most basic functionality expected from a desktop since windows 3.11... For 5 years now! Wow. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
On 09.02.2010 22:41, Endolith wrote: I'm not sure why this doesn't count as a papercut. trivially fixable usability bug that the average user would encounter in default installation of Ubuntu or Kubuntu Desktop Edition Isn't it trivially fixable by installing one of the workarounds by default? A workaround is not a fix ;) And to fix all the Applications, that do not handle the clipboard the way the specification from FreeDesktop proposes, seems not to be trivial. Maybe we need another project like The Great Clipboard Fixing Galore Project.. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
The hyperbole this issue creates is fascinating. First, I agree that the clipboard being so forgetful after an app closes is an issue. But some people here make it sound like it's comparable to critical security issues, or major features missing. It's not of the highest priority because there really are much higher priorities. I really believe most people prefer speed and hardware support and reducing reggressions as high priority issues. And anybody switching to Mac or back to Windows and expecting 0 issues is up for a rude awakening. All platforms have their silly issues. I get annoyed every time my mousescroll doesn't scroll an underlying control - which happens a lot on Windows - and never on Gnome, where the window doesn't even have to have focus for the scroll to work. And I recently did some tech support for a Mac user where not only where some speed and file sharing issues - but it was easy - googling - to find many other Mac users having the same problem. And don't get me started on Apple clinging to the fantasy that 1 mouse button is enough. But if having to paste first and close the first app later is too much effort and this really is a fatal issue in anybodies opinion - then - yes - pick a platform where the issues are a better fit for your preferences. None of them is perfect. Pick whatever hurts you least. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Olaf wrote 2 hours ago: It's not of the highest priority because there really are much higher priorities. That's the point of discussion. You think some new weird feature is a high prio. I think (as most of distributors do) usability is the highest prio ever. 2009/11/20, FMaz fmaz...@gmail.com: Olaf wrote 2 hours ago: It's not of the highest priority because there really are much higher priorities. This problem have been reported more than 5 years ago. I think that this improvement should have been priorised over many other new features that are less important. Yes it's not a major security problem, but it's so old that it start to cause frustration. Endolith wrote 2 hours ago: Is there some good reason why Parcellite (or some other tool) isn't just included by default to work around this? It has been asked in the previous --and old-- comments. It seem to be cause that there software are not as versatile ( can't copy/paste some type of content ) -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Serge Vinogradov work.se...@gmail.com svinogra...@nvidia.com ICQ: 269813255 -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Howdy, I also find this bug annoying - but it is not of the highest priority IMHO - especially as a workaround has been available for years: glipper/klipper. I've said this many times: Glipper is not a solution and not even a good workaround. Glipper is unstable, 1 in 10 times when starting the system, Glipper doesn't start and Glipper only supports text. Copy an in image in Firefox (for example the Launchpad logo), close Firefox, start The GIMP, try to paste the image... impossible, even when using Glipper. We're in total agreement about the solution and that glipper is not it. The solution - of course - is to integrate proper clipboard management into the DEs (Gnome, KDE, etc...). I never had that instability though - glipper starts fine here - never noticed that it didn't. I admit that graphics are a problem. I rarely copy graphics that way (and if I do the source app stays opern for other reasons anyway) - so I didn't suffer from that. But I get that it sucks if you do that a lot. Olaf wrote 6 hours ago: I would very much like to see this bug fixed, but installing k/glipper or keeping the source app open while you copy/paste is not terribly difficult. Some day a GSoC project or somebody from IBM/et al will fix it. As I said, Glipper isn't a solution nor a good workaround. True, keeping the source opened is the best workaround and I do this, but everytime I have to remember to not close the source before pasting. This is just so 1980's. It's completely ridiculous we have to keep the source opened in Again - we're not in disagreement about the goal. Only a very few very crazy people would argue otherwise. Yes - it would be way better if the clipboard would work as you and I and practically everybody else and his sisters grandpa expects it to. the year 2009!!! You can't expect new users to know they've to keep the source open to be able to paste. New users will everytime loose their work, because they don't understand what's going on under the hood Most users hardly ever use the clipboard that way. Heck - many users hardly know how to use the clipboard. It's already a challenge to train people not to use spaces as layout in word processing apps. Ubuntu never says: You've copied something, so you've got the keep the source open to be able to paste it somewhere else. Closing this window will loose the contents of the clipboard. How does a new user know he has to keep the source open. He always closed the source and then pasted I agree that he doesn't. But there's a high chance s/he didn't close the first app anyway. the contents of the clipboard somewhere else when he was using Windows. This is the way a clipboard should work! Keeping the source open is completely ridiculous! We're living in the year 2009, not in the 1980's. You don't have to convince me - I'm pre-convinced. ;-) We're in total 100% agreement about the solution. People are used to the way copy/paste works on Windows (which is the only good way to implement copy/paste) and when using Linux they have no clue what's going on. They keep on loosing their work and they haven't got a single clue they have to keep the source open. When I started using Linux, I've lost my work so many times and people are still losing their work, every day. Therfore this bug has to be marked as a bug of the HIGHEST PRIORITY, not as wishlist. Please, someone, change this to HIGHEST PRIORITY! And that's the part where we disagree. I'm sorry you lost work. That's annnoying. Though - come on - it shouldn't take too many losses to remember this behaviour. Yes - it's sub-optimal. I'm not saying it's good the way it is - but it's not the worst problem ever. And there's plenty of things with higher prority. On my personal list - remembering size and position of closed apps - so they open in the same position with the same size next time I open them - instead of smart placement that gnome devs prefered - would be a way higher priority in my book. And I could list several other things I'd like fixed before somebody tackles the clipboard. And neither of us knows how difficult this is to fix. It's safe to assume it's easier said than done - otherwise somebody *would* have done it already. Google is collecting ideas every year for GSoC projects. Write a proposal and submit it. Fair chance a student will be paid by google fixing this. cheers Olaf -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 11334] Re: MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
Apologies. The message above was not meant to go to the bug. -- MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
