[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Also affects: ubuntu-unity Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu-unity Assignee: (unassigned) => Rudra Bali (rs2009) ** Changed in: ubuntu-unity Importance: Undecided => Critical -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Changed in: tilix Status: New => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Changed in: clubdistro Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed ** Changed in: compscibuntu Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed ** Changed in: df-libreoffice Status: New => Fix Committed ** Changed in: dnr Status: Invalid => Fix Committed ** Changed in: dylandotnet Status: Invalid => Fix Committed ** Changed in: easypeasy-project Status: Confirmed => Fix Committed ** Changed in: ichthux Status: Invalid => Fix Committed ** Changed in: jl Status: Invalid => Fix Committed ** Changed in: jl Assignee: (unassigned) => jean-pierre charras (jp-charras) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Branch linked: lp:~mzanetti/+junk/ubtd -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Launchpad has imported 28 comments from the remote bug at https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1. If you reply to an imported comment from within Launchpad, your comment will be sent to the remote bug automatically. Read more about Launchpad's inter-bugtracker facilities at https://help.launchpad.net/InterBugTracking. On 2007-10-11T18:19:17+00:00 Wine-z wrote: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. A lot of software depends on the win32 api, so wine should eventually have to be the most popular implementation of it. This idea came from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 ;-) Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/481 On 2007-10-11T18:23:42+00:00 Jan-wine wrote: This depends on having very good and complete documentation. Currently even though msdn contains many errors their documentation is more complete. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/482 On 2007-10-11T18:28:37+00:00 Alexandre Julliard wrote: Actually the Wine source code is a much better documentation of the Win32 API than MSDN... Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/483 On 2007-10-11T18:36:13+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote: We can do it without extra documentation, we just have to write lots of conformance tests to see how MS win32 behaves. Setting "Difficulty" field. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/484 On 2007-10-11T18:40:55+00:00 Detlef wrote: Created attachment 8519 Windows API Documentation test The Windows API Documentation test failed Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/485 On 2007-10-11T22:31:29+00:00 Jan-wine wrote: Yes conformance tests are the first step. And yes the source code is good to find out what happens. But that is not a replacement for good documentation in written prose ( http://source.winehq.org/WineAPI/ ). Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/486 On 2007-10-12T15:39:00+00:00 Dmitry-baikal wrote: What is this bug about? Is it a joke to just take a bug with number 1? I'm tempted to close it as invalid. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/487 On 2007-10-14T05:07:47+00:00 Dmitry-baikal wrote: Popularity is not a technical merit. Closing as invalid. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/490 On 2007-10-14T05:08:00+00:00 Dmitry-baikal wrote: Closing. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/491 On 2008-03-18T15:50:35+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote: Think of this bug as a milestone rather than a conventional bug. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/622 On 2008-06-18T01:24:57+00:00 Wine-z wrote: *** Bug 13396 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/711 On 2008-06-18T03:11:45+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote: Still an issue with wine-1.0. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/712 On 2008-12-15T19:53:19+00:00 Austin English wrote: Still present in git. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/944 On 2009-03-03T00:13:09+00:00 Rafał Rzepecki wrote: I can confirm as of 1.1.16. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1034 On 2009-03-18T23:42:06+00:00 Sorceror wrote: I can't reproduce this bug, and haven't been able to for about 5 years or so. Does anyone have steps to reproduce? I suspect it has something to do with me deleting my Windows install from my desktop ... Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1036 On 2009-03-18T23:46:19+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote: 1. Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems 2. Note that the wedge devoted to Linux is too small to see with the naked eye. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bu
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 1066480 Installer doesn't show encrypted partitions ** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: fatalerrorbro (fatalerrorbro) => patop (patop) ** Changed in: archlinux Status: In Progress => Unknown ** Changed in: archlinux Assignee: fatalerrorbro (fatalerrorbro) => (unassigned) ** Changed in: archlinux Status: Unknown => New ** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: patop (patop) => (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Spreading linux propaganda ** Changed in: archlinux Status: Confirmed => In Progress ** Changed in: archlinux Assignee: (unassigned) => fatalerrorbro (fatalerrorbro) ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1066480 Installer doesn't show encrypted partitions ** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 1066480 Installer doesn't show encrypted partitions ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1066480 Installer doesn't show encrypted partitions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1066480 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066480 ** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) => fatalerrorbro (fatalerrorbro) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Regards from Kaliningrad, Russia That bug is being fixed here partially by now, see below. Just to make sure, I visited some PC shops around and, to my surprise, found some computers with Ubuntu and few with FreeDOS (and, as consultant said, any linux distro from list could be installed for free). The fun is what some own Linux distro is used (AFAIK) by Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there is military Rosa linux (totally shitty from what I heard but still). If only we could make schools to teach students to use Linux systems instead, that would change the game. I estimate the prevalence of free software in education here as about 15-18%, maybe 25% based on what I see in university. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Boris Malkov wrote: > I'm using Ubuntu since 8.04, and have noticed something. It was improving > with every single release, > but since 12.04 I don't see neither the progress nor at least stability: it > is getting worse. I am not an Ubuntu developer, but as far as I know, lately most things happening, happen in the background / under the hood (e.g. X11 replacement). And of course this might cause more bugs rising (temporary). And yes, I also experience some issues, such as [Bug 792085] Re: Automatic remount of safely removed USB 3.0 drive which finally got fixed (even if on launchpad it is not yet marked as fix released). But I am still fine with the overall stability and I use Ubuntu all day on my primary work laptop and several other machines/devices. > The 16.04 tortures me with many glitches on the daily basis, and I found here > a bug report already submitted by other people for every > problem I have. Most of those reports are YEARS old and still are UNASSIGNED. I found 2 bugs you are following which are older. One is Bug #304345: "File chooser dialog doesn't provide network access" - which is a duplicate of another bug which has been fixed. The other is Bug #971219: "Remmina Crashes with when connecting to some RDP hosts" which in reality is not an Ubuntu issue only. People write that it depends on the certificate on the remote Windows machine. And oh yes, there is a third issue that is related to launchpad itself. Is that what you identify as reduced overall Ubuntu stability? What I see at co-workers and customers what they fight with Windows, I am still way better off with Linux. > This tells me: Ubuntu doesn't give a s**t to user experience and bug reports > any more. > So I think this particular bug will never be resolved, at list because no one > cares. > And, btw, Ubuntu became so s**tty that I switched to other distro after many > years with Ubuntu. My experience is that the better details on a problem you serve the better the answer is, what you get. So maybe try to provide more exact details on your problems to help the developers finding the bug faster. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I'm using Ubuntu since 8.04, and have noticed something. It was improving with every single release, but since 12.04 I don't see neither the progress nor at least stability: it is getting worse. The 16.04 tortures me with many glitches on the daily basis, and I found here a bug report already submitted by other people for every problem I have. Most of those reports are YEARS old and still are UNASSIGNED. This tells me: Ubuntu doesn't give a s**t to user experience and bug reports any more. So I think this particular bug will never be resolved, at list because no one cares. And, btw, Ubuntu became so s**tty that I switched to other distro after many years with Ubuntu. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I suggest changing the title of this bug to : "Non-free systems have a majority market share" which is certainly the original intended idea of this bug. (Of course Google Android is not a free system because it contains non- free Google Mobile Services.) And therefore re-opening the bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
PC and laptop times are not over, no, tablets and mobile phones are not an alternative. Alternative devices may obsolete a PC at many places, but: For those who want a PC or laptop if they go to a shop, they still pretty everywhere only find Windows. There should be some hardware that comes preinstalled with Linux/Ubuntu (and maybe not only the old slow hardware), but this is not the case (neither for the older hardware). So this bug is very clearly not-solved. It might be obsolete, if Android is used on PCs also and even the CAD users have there software running on Android also. Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Let us ponder for a moment on the Founding Bug of Ubuntu. Now that Shuttleworth has accepted to port Ubuntu as the official platform for the Windows Subsystem for Linux. Maybe it is time to think about that "fix released". I know, « the world has changed », « we've come to better terms »... Microsoft does NOT change. You don't "come to better terms" with Microsoft, you leave your project be abducted by Microsoft. I think our fellow Mark closed this bug too soon. Too hastily. So long as WSL exists, the bug will exist. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
bug 1 is a platform monopoly problem. In the case of Ebay, Uber, Airbnb, Windows, most people are on each of these platforms, because, well, everyone else is on that platform. Not because the platform is better. Fortunately, it seems there is a bugfix emerging for the plaform monopoly problem, and its called crowdacting. crowdacting.org it will take some time before truly massive migration like a windows to linux migration is possible, but smaller migrations are sure to start taking place and inspiring larger migrations. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > A few years ago some study allegedly found that 80% > of computer usage is now done using tablets and phones. You mean 80 % of the computer usage that nobody really needs is now done using tablets and phones. Apart from storekeepers that nowadays do their checklists and confirm their good receipts via tablet I barely see people doing their real work via phone or tablet (at least apart from writing emails). Or would you say 80 % of the computer work is e-mailing. mmmhh - could even be... ;-) > [...] > This bug was first raised when the word "desktop" covered all the > form-factors that could be used in small-business and by families or other > private usage. Nowadays the term "desktop", even if expanded to include > laptops, only represents under 20% of that market. My experience is, that everybody still uses desktop or laptop - at least for the more sophisticated work. I don't know a single person who owns just a phone or tablet and not also a desktop or laptop computer. Of course I would put desktops and laptop together in the group. Anyway, Bug 1 is not fixed yet! Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Also affects: reactos-core Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: reactos-core Status: New => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
"So wearables (incl watches) (...) are likely to keep using unix-based systems, usually specifically gnu&linux." Tizen is one of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen Regards, zakzor On Wed, Dec 14, 2016, 12:35 Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Hi :) > While this is still true and unlikely to change many people are using > chromebooks, tablets, phones and other devices to do things that they > previously would have had to use a desktop to do. Laptops have also become > much more popular too. A few years ago some study allegedly found that 80% > of computer usage is now done using tablets and phones. > > For tablets and phones gnu&linux is king. Android is a flavour of > gnu&linux on a layer of java. Blackberry is gnu&linux, and of course > Chrome is too. iPads and iPhones, really anything Apple, is a flavour of > BSD, which is another unix-based system = practically a sister/brother of > gnu&linux. Apparently only about 1% of hand-helds (tablets and phones etc) > use a Windows-based system. Windows has one major disadvantage in trying > to run on hand-helds which is that it's a huge great big bloated behemoth > despite their best efforts at slashing it down-to-size. It just about > manages to cope on laptops but when they tried to push it onto netbooks it > performed so badly that it killed the entire netbook market. We see some > resurgence of the netbook market through Chromebooks but people are still > wary of that form-factor, thanks to Windows. > > Windows are attempting to rewrite Windows to work on Arm chips, having > recently abandoned their earlier recent attempt, but it's likely they will > still need vast amounts of resources, such as one would reasonably expect > from a desktop/laptop - and still not work on other form-factors. > > So wearables (incl watches) and handhelds, and chromebooks are likely to > keep using unix-based systems, usually specifically gnu&linux. > > > This bug was first raised when the word "desktop" covered all the > form-factors that could be used in small-business and by families or other > private usage. Nowadays the term "desktop", even if expanded to include > laptops, only represents under 20% of that market. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > On 13 December 2016 at 14:40, Luca Ciavatta > wrote: > > > I confirm this bug. > > I visited some local PC stores (middle-sized city in Italy) and I > > attempted to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > > > All the computers on sale had proprietary software. > > > > -- > > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > > report. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > > > Title: > > Microsoft has a majority market share > > > > Status in Clubdistro: > > Confirmed > > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > > Confirmed > > Status in LibreOffice: > > New > > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > > Invalid > > Status in dylan.NET: > > Invalid > > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > > Confirmed > > Status in Ichthux: > > Invalid > > Status in JAK LINUX: > > Invalid > > Status in LibreOffice: > > In Progress > > Status in Skylinux: > > New > > Status in Linux Mint: > > In Progress > > Status in The Linux OS Project: > > In Progress > > Status in Neobot: > > New > > Status in Novabot: > > New > > Status in OpenOffice: > > In Progress > > Status in Tabuntu: > > Invalid > > Status in Tivion: > > Invalid > > Status in Tv-Player: > > Invalid > > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team: > > In Progress > > Status in Wine: > > Unknown > > Status in Ubuntu: > > Fix Released > > Status in Arch Linux: > > Confirmed > > Status in Baltix: > > Confirmed > > Status in Debian: > > In Progress > > Status in Fedora: > > Confirmed > > Status in Fluxbuntu: > > Confirmed > > Status in openSUSE: > > In Progress > > Status in Tilix: > > New > > > > Bug description: > > See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ > > ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > > -- > > > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > > all." > > > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > > experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the > > other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who > > couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by > > individuals and organisations all over the world." > >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > > > Non-free software leave
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) While this is still true and unlikely to change many people are using chromebooks, tablets, phones and other devices to do things that they previously would have had to use a desktop to do. Laptops have also become much more popular too. A few years ago some study allegedly found that 80% of computer usage is now done using tablets and phones. For tablets and phones gnu&linux is king. Android is a flavour of gnu&linux on a layer of java. Blackberry is gnu&linux, and of course Chrome is too. iPads and iPhones, really anything Apple, is a flavour of BSD, which is another unix-based system = practically a sister/brother of gnu&linux. Apparently only about 1% of hand-helds (tablets and phones etc) use a Windows-based system. Windows has one major disadvantage in trying to run on hand-helds which is that it's a huge great big bloated behemoth despite their best efforts at slashing it down-to-size. It just about manages to cope on laptops but when they tried to push it onto netbooks it performed so badly that it killed the entire netbook market. We see some resurgence of the netbook market through Chromebooks but people are still wary of that form-factor, thanks to Windows. Windows are attempting to rewrite Windows to work on Arm chips, having recently abandoned their earlier recent attempt, but it's likely they will still need vast amounts of resources, such as one would reasonably expect from a desktop/laptop - and still not work on other form-factors. So wearables (incl watches) and handhelds, and chromebooks are likely to keep using unix-based systems, usually specifically gnu&linux. This bug was first raised when the word "desktop" covered all the form-factors that could be used in small-business and by families or other private usage. Nowadays the term "desktop", even if expanded to include laptops, only represents under 20% of that market. Regards from Tom :) On 13 December 2016 at 14:40, Luca Ciavatta wrote: > I confirm this bug. > I visited some local PC stores (middle-sized city in Italy) and I > attempted to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > All the computers on sale had proprietary software. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Clubdistro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Confirmed > Status in Ichthux: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in Skylinux: > New > Status in Linux Mint: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in OpenOffice: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in Tivion: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team: > In Progress > Status in Wine: > Unknown > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix: > Confirmed > Status in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fedora: > Confirmed > Status in Fluxbuntu: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ > ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the > other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who > couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by > individuals and organisations all over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary s
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I confirm this bug. I visited some local PC stores (middle-sized city in Italy) and I attempted to buy a machine without any proprietary software. All the computers on sale had proprietary software. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi I am Shazedur Rahim Joardar Ring from Bangladesh. In here the vendors like hp and dell brings up the laptops with Ubuntu or OpenSuse pre- installed but when it reaches to the peoples hand it got the distros demolished by the IT support people of the retailers and fenestra (synonym of MS ..) is loaded with some pirated software like photoshop, maya etc. This is how bad it is going so far. Since 2011 in here in Bangladesh, FOSS Bangladesh had organized 80+ events in the various universities, colleges and schools to aware the next generation-the pupils about the freedom or liberation they need in the digital world. We had also organized some "GNU/Linux installation fest" to give real end user support. We had forums in local languages in here in Bangladesh where the end users are getting online support in using distros like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, OpenSuse etc. Approximately 500K peoples get noticed about their freedom, get the end user support and began their fight for their freedom in the digital world and makes sure it sustained since 2011. Now a days pupils of various universities in here goes to the market with pen drives with live distros and checkout the hardwares before buying them, if those happily working with ubuntu or not! This is how this Bug#1 is going to be fixed, someday near future. But we shouldn't get relaxed of thinking that, the Fix will sustain forever. We all need to raise our voice and make it loud to louder for our freedom. Every day, Every second of it needs hard labour for being liberated. :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@Martin Wildam +1 This bug was never fixed. Not even close. And the word "liberation" was added later and I don't see any of it. Microsoft "loves" Linux? What about open source being a cancer a few years ago? Yes, they are afraid but, as always, they know what they are doing. We, on the other hand, do we know what we are doing? Letting things flow and say Android fixed this bug? Where I work we only sell machines with Windows preinsalled and my machine uses Windows. I am "free" to use an Ubuntu live session for troubleshooting purposes only. Sad But true. Take care all, Tiago Ribeiro aka zakzor -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Post scriptum: IMHO as the description of bug 1 shows it is pretty obvious that the bug is not solved so I do not understand why it's status is "fix released". > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary. > > What should happen: > > A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. This is simply not the case. Sorry for repeating, but it seems to me that somehow the original idea has been forgotten. And a smartphone is not a PC and a tablet isn't either! I do not know a single person using a smart phone or tablet as a replacement for the PC - in best case those mobile devices are used _in addition to_ PC or laptop. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Branch unlinked: lp:~dhis2-devs-core/dhis2/minagri -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Neither the way Microsoft will/says/wants bringing Ubuntu to Windows nor the rise of Android on the mobile phones is IMHO an argument to mark Bug 1 solved. Even from the usability of the basic operating system I think there are still to-dos left to make more people move to Linux - apart from the bigger problem of 3rd-party Windows-only-application lockin and dependency of formats that are Windows-only (only yesterday I was confronted with a QuarkXpress user and couldn't tell, what Linux app can open and edit them). I mean there are basics like this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/285493/how-to-show-full-date-and-time-in-nautilus-files-3-6-list-view - Not sure if everything fixed in https://launchpad.net/~mc3man/+archive/ubuntu/nauty-mods has found it's way into the latest Ubuntu 14.04 and into 16.04 (will check when it's out). Or like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/792085 There are other annoyances and none of them will hold back those who know well about the benefits of Linux, but it may hold back new users when they try Ubuntu for a week and struggle with such basic things. And as long as users do not definitely request and demand for Linux they won't get it from the hardware vendors because they don't care if the users don't care. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
The fix for Bug #1 is to spread free software everywhere. With the recent Ubuntu in/on Windows announcement, (many many many) millions of people who couldn't access or participate in Ubuntu will soon have that ability, giving them a glimpse into our world and a chance they've never had. We're making good progress. Or, stated more poetically: / //“There is a crack in everything.// //That's how the light gets in.” // -- Leonard Cohen / Cheers, Randall./ / -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This is the time for this bug to be expanded and moved to any other bug-tracker that's not part of canonical group ltd. There are so many issues to be addressed, ie. "the company I believed for more than a decade is turning back on my principles" I understand that having a Linux container on windows is profitable for many people who's already running windows on their servers. But I must stand in the other side what about ms office running on native Ubuntu? At most we can struggle to have ms office 2010 running with wine libraries, but having power-point videos in this set-up isn't supported neither by Microsoft nor wine nor Canonical. This leaves us, the users and developers in a huge, asymmetrically driven race condition. At this moment I have the exact same feeling as being ruled by an authoritative government. The involved companies are operating in the same corruption of world states and their corrupted slug. I can't stand for ubuntu nor canonical any more, it is a huge disillusion. As a side note, I must state that the orthographic correction on this site doesn't like ubuntu nor microsoft but Ubuntu and Microsoft, so please give a thought about how linguistics influence our decisions, and if you should follow " THE STANDARD" or just give away. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I have to agree with @Mark Cariaga (mzc) The bug was never sent a proper solution. The reason is that there are a large base of software running ONLY on Windows. Wine is hard at this moment to be configured and there are so many things that can go wrong that never In order to be able to fix this bug, wine must be fixed in the same way microsoft engineers thought about. It can be done (see reactos for example ) but only with the help of entire community I have to tell that from some point of view, open source comunity was not so wheel organised in order to fix what need to be fixed instead of adding and adding more and more features. So, Microsoft can do such things like "Windows Subsystem for Linux" (ok some times ago was another similar project with small impact , Windows Subsystem for Unix ) ) and open source developers are not able to ? Is this for real ? Is this a non fixable bug ? P.S Why everybody in recruitment use Microsoft Word format instead of open document format ??? Have Microsoft win the battle ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This if was not really closed. We just gave in: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-and-canonical-partner-to-bring- ubuntu-to-windows-10/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Branch linked: lp:~dhis2-devs-core/dhis2/minagri -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Changed in: easypeasy-project Status: Invalid => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu Package testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1 ** Tags added: package-qa-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
In 2013 Mark Shuttleworth marked the bug as resolved in Ubuntu since Android and ios have created diversity in the market which defeats the issue despite Ubuntu itself not having a direct hand in the shift. Also, mentioned in the post was the fact that the desktop os should focus on creating a better experience for the developer and end user. On Oct 24, 2015 5:20 PM, "rued...@gmail.com" wrote: > I noticed that it hasn't been mentioned, but Microsoft Windows Mobile > has failed to take hold of the mobile market. > > That is some serious progress on this bug. Devs are realizing that > Windows is not superior. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Clubdistro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in Linux: > New > Status in Linux Mint: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in OpenOffice: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in Tivion: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team: > In Progress > Status in Wine: > Unknown > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix: > Confirmed > Status in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fedora: > Confirmed > Status in Fluxbuntu: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the > other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who > couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by > individuals and organisations all over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary. > > What should happen: > > A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. > >* http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >* http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines >* http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I noticed that it hasn't been mentioned, but Microsoft Windows Mobile has failed to take hold of the mobile market. That is some serious progress on this bug. Devs are realizing that Windows is not superior. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
bugs are ignored than closed, see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1314804 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Checked in half an hour ago at a hotel where they use open office, Thunderbird, Firefox etc. - they are on a good way. I also switched all the required applications and only at the end changed the underlying OS. That way the switch works step by step. -- Martin Wildam Am 23.05.2015 09:56 schrieb "Barry Drake" : > There is a hardware platform - it's called Lenovo. It is built to be > totally compatible with Linux, and sold as a Linux machine in many parts > of the world. AFAIK every Lenovo machine works totally out of the box > with Ubuntu. I just upgraded my Lenovo Netbook from 14.04 to 15.04 and > will shortly be getting a Lenovo Laptop for my daughter. Please, guys, > lobby Lenovo to get their product out with Linux into our less civilised > parts of the world (Europe, USA etc) where restrictive practices are > still tolerated and corruption is rife . > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Wine: > Unknown > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fedora: > Confirmed > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the > other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who > couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by > individuals and organisations all over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary. > > What should happen: > > A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. > >* http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >* http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines >* http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
There is a hardware platform - it's called Lenovo. It is built to be totally compatible with Linux, and sold as a Linux machine in many parts of the world. AFAIK every Lenovo machine works totally out of the box with Ubuntu. I just upgraded my Lenovo Netbook from 14.04 to 15.04 and will shortly be getting a Lenovo Laptop for my daughter. Please, guys, lobby Lenovo to get their product out with Linux into our less civilised parts of the world (Europe, USA etc) where restrictive practices are still tolerated and corruption is rife . -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
2015-05-22 21:19 GMT+02:00 mohican <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>: > ***Ubuntu need to be sold pre-installed on 100% compatible harware.*** > > But this is not enough, people will not buy PCs with an alternative OS on > it. People buy PCs with Windows because they know it and expect it to work > 100% (or they install a cracked version of Windows on their new PC) - or - > if they can afford it - they buy Macs*. > *In the last years a lot of people have switched from PCs to Macs. This > was a lost opportunity for GNU/Linux. But it is not too late. > > Add to this that it must at least support the latest LTS. My Dell M4800 is still only supporting 12.04.x (which has issues solved in later versions, but might never be backported) even though 14.04 LTS is there. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Reading more of this topic, I noticed that Faldegast (in post #1293) and torpedolos (in post #1301) also introduced this idea of having a harware brand for GNU/Linux. Then a few others supported the idea. These posts have been made in august 2010. FIVE YEARS AGO... Let's not wait another five years please. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
- Summary : The only strategy that could lead to GNU/Linux [Ubuntu] being adopted by a large number of users is to do what Apple has done with the "Mac" : sell specifically assembled computers with a distinctive brand (e.g. the "Tux") and build a user-friendly brand-image through marketing. - 1. Harware compatibility is the number one problem I've been installing Ubuntu on friend's computers since 2010. I installed 12 different machines (4 desktops and 8 laptops). I had various harware compatibility problems on 75% of these machines ! (mainly related to GPU, Wifi, Bluetooth, ACPI (suspend), brightness, keyboard special keys, touchpad, kernel mei module and black screen on the first run). Plus compatibility problems with peripheral hardware (smartphones, printers, scanners, TV tuners...). This is exhausting. (And people are not won for Ubuntu : when a friend buys a new machine I have to do the job again.) I do it only because I am highly motivated. Highly motivated people are scarce, they cannot change significantly the marketshare of GNU/Linux. It is not true that ordinary users can simply download and install Ubuntu easily on their machine. This will never happen because new hardware are constantly been released without Linux compatibility. Ordinary people will never buy PCs to install Ubuntu on it. (Ordinary people never install OS anyway !) ***Ubuntu need to be sold pre-installed on 100% compatible harware.*** But this is not enough, people will not buy PCs with an alternative OS on it. People buy PCs with Windows because they know it and expect it to work 100% (or they install a cracked version of Windows on their new PC) - or - if they can afford it - they buy Macs*. *In the last years a lot of people have switched from PCs to Macs. This was a lost opportunity for GNU/Linux. But it is not too late. ***Ubuntu need to be sold pre-installed on 100% compatible harware that has a distinctive GNU/Linux branding.*** Let's call these machines "Tux". There should also be Tux-certified peripherals or even Tux-peripherals. When these machines are available in stores, then people will have the choice to buy either PCs, Macs or "Tuxes". Why would people buy Tuxes rather than Macs or PCs ? 2. GNU/Linux is unknown or has a "designed-for-geeks" reputation They will buy them if a succesful marketing campaign convinces them that : - Tuxes are as innovative, stable, user-friendly and cool as Macs ; - Tuxes are even better than Macs because they bring more compatibility with other systems and more freedom ; - It should also be clear that "Tuxes" are fully integrating with Ubuntu phones and FirefoxOS phones. Tuxes then should sell better than Macs because they will be cheaper. (Tuxes should be at the same price as PCs or a little higher.) Apple is the most successful business in the world. Mostly because they were very succesful in building a brand-image. We have the OS to do better than them. What are we waiting for ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1 ** Tags added: iso-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1 ** Tags added: iso-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Also affects: wine via http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) I thought hand-helds had over-taken desktops? Surely that was the point? So the majority of users are using non-Windows platforms. Hence all the fuss, in magazines and other articles, about "the end of the desktops" (which i think we mostly agree is unlikely) Regards from Tom :) On 27 October 2014 14:45, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Yeah a lot of things have changed. But what's not changed are the fact > that a majority of Internet users are surfing on Windows. > > Yeah I remember reading this bug on a Symbian smartphone. The growth of > smartphones and pads are certainly an expression of discontent with > Windows, and a big blow to Microsoft. > > But a majority of the users are still on desktops running windows. I > hope that chromeos will defeat windows on this battlefield. > > Personally I will not consider this bug solved until Window joins > Internet Explorer's decline, which I think will happen if ChromeOS > success continues. > > > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:42:10 + > > From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > > To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority > market share > > > > Hi :) > > When this bug was first posted even laptops were quite rare. So the only > > form-factor that people were aware of was desktops. It is already > > difficult to imagine such a time! > > > > It was after this bug was posted that netbooks came out and they were > > swiftly crushed by clever tactics from MS. Do you remember going through > > that time? It was unthinkable that normal users might have access to > > anything non-MS. That is what this bug-report is about. > > > > If the original poster could go back in time then i am certain there > would > > have been at least 3 bug-reports in order to still apply today. Almost > > everyone who posted to this thread was basing their responses on the > solid > > fact that desktop machines were the only form-factor available to normal > > users. > > > > This bug-report was about reaching normal users. > > > > As such it HAS been solved. > > > > Now the whole landscape has changed radically. There are new words to > > cover technology that hadn't been anticipated outside of Sci-fi. Many of > > the responses are laughably wrong these days but were quite wise at the > > time. > > > > > > We have an opportunity to recognise that things were different back in > the > > old days and an opportunity to cut away legacy stuff that is no longer > > useful. > > > > Continuing with this thread would be much like keeping a bug-report open > > about support for Betamax systems or even VHS ones. While technically > not > > solved it has become largely irrelevant because it fails to account for > the > > new landscape. Of course 1 slight difference is that people still have > > movies that were recorded onto Betamx or VHS ;) > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > -- > > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > > report. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > > > Title: > > Microsoft has a majority market share > > > > Status in Club Distro: > > Confirmed > > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > > Confirmed > > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > > New > > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > > Invalid > > Status in dylan.NET: > > Invalid > > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > > Invalid > > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > > Invalid > > Status in JAK LINUX: > > Invalid > > Status in LibreOffice: > > In Progress > > Status in The Linux Kernel: > > New > > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > > In Progress > > Status in The Linux OS Project: > > In Progress > > Status in Neobot: > > New > > Status in Novabot: > > New > > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > > In Progress > > Status in Tabuntu: > > Invalid > > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > > Invalid > > Status in Tv-Player: > > Invalid > > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > > In Progress > > Status in Ubuntu: > > Fix Released > > Status in Arch Linux: > > Confirmed > > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > > Invalid > > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > > In Progress > > Status in Fedora: > > Confirmed > > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Light
RE: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Yeah a lot of things have changed. But what's not changed are the fact that a majority of Internet users are surfing on Windows. Yeah I remember reading this bug on a Symbian smartphone. The growth of smartphones and pads are certainly an expression of discontent with Windows, and a big blow to Microsoft. But a majority of the users are still on desktops running windows. I hope that chromeos will defeat windows on this battlefield. Personally I will not consider this bug solved until Window joins Internet Explorer's decline, which I think will happen if ChromeOS success continues. > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:42:10 + > From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market > share > > Hi :) > When this bug was first posted even laptops were quite rare. So the only > form-factor that people were aware of was desktops. It is already > difficult to imagine such a time! > > It was after this bug was posted that netbooks came out and they were > swiftly crushed by clever tactics from MS. Do you remember going through > that time? It was unthinkable that normal users might have access to > anything non-MS. That is what this bug-report is about. > > If the original poster could go back in time then i am certain there would > have been at least 3 bug-reports in order to still apply today. Almost > everyone who posted to this thread was basing their responses on the solid > fact that desktop machines were the only form-factor available to normal > users. > > This bug-report was about reaching normal users. > > As such it HAS been solved. > > Now the whole landscape has changed radically. There are new words to > cover technology that hadn't been anticipated outside of Sci-fi. Many of > the responses are laughably wrong these days but were quite wise at the > time. > > > We have an opportunity to recognise that things were different back in the > old days and an opportunity to cut away legacy stuff that is no longer > useful. > > Continuing with this thread would be much like keeping a bug-report open > about support for Betamax systems or even VHS ones. While technically not > solved it has become largely irrelevant because it fails to account for the > new landscape. Of course 1 slight difference is that people still have > movies that were recorded onto Betamx or VHS ;) > > Regards from > Tom :) > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fedora: > Confirmed > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives > everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they > like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables > the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and > expertise to conti
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) When this bug was first posted even laptops were quite rare. So the only form-factor that people were aware of was desktops. It is already difficult to imagine such a time! It was after this bug was posted that netbooks came out and they were swiftly crushed by clever tactics from MS. Do you remember going through that time? It was unthinkable that normal users might have access to anything non-MS. That is what this bug-report is about. If the original poster could go back in time then i am certain there would have been at least 3 bug-reports in order to still apply today. Almost everyone who posted to this thread was basing their responses on the solid fact that desktop machines were the only form-factor available to normal users. This bug-report was about reaching normal users. As such it HAS been solved. Now the whole landscape has changed radically. There are new words to cover technology that hadn't been anticipated outside of Sci-fi. Many of the responses are laughably wrong these days but were quite wise at the time. We have an opportunity to recognise that things were different back in the old days and an opportunity to cut away legacy stuff that is no longer useful. Continuing with this thread would be much like keeping a bug-report open about support for Betamax systems or even VHS ones. While technically not solved it has become largely irrelevant because it fails to account for the new landscape. Of course 1 slight difference is that people still have movies that were recorded onto Betamx or VHS ;) Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Randall Ross: > Perhaps we should change the bug name to: > > "Microsoft has a majority market share on the Desktop" I agree with the proposal, as it will put things on "scope" :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I still do not agree. Microsoft never had majority market share on anything but desktop. > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:29:51 + > From: marceloa...@gmail.com > To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > i think Bug #1 was closed, and "Microsoft has a majority market share on > the Desktop" is another bug. > > 2014-10-24 15:29 GMT-02:00 Randall Ross : > > > Perhaps we should change the bug name to: > > > > "Microsoft has a majority market share on the Desktop" > > > > If need be, bugs can be opened for other form factors. > > > > > > On 10/24/2014 10:19 AM, Faldegast wrote: > > > Actually no. This was always about desktop. Of course the fact that many > > > usecases have an alternative that works on android or chrome have made > > > things better. But I still can't use Photoshop or Cubase on Linux. > > > > > > Personally I don't think we have fully won before Microsoft starts > > > supporting Linux with Office etc. Of course replacing vendor-locked > > > applications with open source are optimal but so far we have only > > > succeed with webbrowsers. > > > > > > If Google succeeds in moving everything into the browser thats a win > > > against OS monopoly but we should remember that Chrome Store are NOT > > > Open source. But Native Client and PPAPI is so building an alternate > > > store is possible and moving offering software in more than one store > > > are a lot easier than supporting different operating systems. > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:19:55 + > > >> From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > > >> To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > >> > > >> Hi :) > > >> +1 > > >> except the question is really out-dated now. There's really 3 forks of > > >> it; > > >> > > >> 1. desktop only = still not fixed > > >> 2. total devices used by weeus = done but debatable > > >> 3. handhelds = definitely done. > > >> > > >> Regards from > > >> Tom :) > > >> > > >> -- > > >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > > >> report. > > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > >> > > >> Title: > > >> Microsoft has a majority market share > > >> > > >> Status in Club Distro: > > >> Confirmed > > >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > > >> Confirmed > > >> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > > >> New > > >> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in dylan.NET: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in JAK LINUX: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in LibreOffice: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in The Linux Kernel: > > >> New > > >> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in The Linux OS Project: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in Neobot: > > >> New > > >> Status in Novabot: > > >> New > > >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in Tabuntu: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in Tv-Player: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in Ubuntu: > > >> Fix Released > > >> Status in Arch Linux: > > >> Confirmed > > >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > > >> Invalid > > >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in Fedora: > > >> Confirmed > > >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > > >> Confirmed > > >> Status in openSUSE: > > >> In Progress > > >> Status in Tilix Linux: > > >> New > > >> > > >> Bug description: > > >> See Mark's cl
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
What are the numbers of the fork bugs? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
i think Bug #1 was closed, and "Microsoft has a majority market share on the Desktop" is another bug. 2014-10-24 15:29 GMT-02:00 Randall Ross : > Perhaps we should change the bug name to: > > "Microsoft has a majority market share on the Desktop" > > If need be, bugs can be opened for other form factors. > > > On 10/24/2014 10:19 AM, Faldegast wrote: > > Actually no. This was always about desktop. Of course the fact that many > > usecases have an alternative that works on android or chrome have made > > things better. But I still can't use Photoshop or Cubase on Linux. > > > > Personally I don't think we have fully won before Microsoft starts > > supporting Linux with Office etc. Of course replacing vendor-locked > > applications with open source are optimal but so far we have only > > succeed with webbrowsers. > > > > If Google succeeds in moving everything into the browser thats a win > > against OS monopoly but we should remember that Chrome Store are NOT > > Open source. But Native Client and PPAPI is so building an alternate > > store is possible and moving offering software in more than one store > > are a lot easier than supporting different operating systems. > > > >> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:19:55 + > >> From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > >> To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > >> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > >> > >> Hi :) > >> +1 > >> except the question is really out-dated now. There's really 3 forks of > >> it; > >> > >> 1. desktop only = still not fixed > >> 2. total devices used by weeus = done but debatable > >> 3. handhelds = definitely done. > >> > >> Regards from > >> Tom :) > >> > >> -- > >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > >> report. > >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > >> > >> Title: > >> Microsoft has a majority market share > >> > >> Status in Club Distro: > >> Confirmed > >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > >> Confirmed > >> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > >> New > >> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > >> Invalid > >> Status in dylan.NET: > >> Invalid > >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > >> Invalid > >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > >> Invalid > >> Status in JAK LINUX: > >> Invalid > >> Status in LibreOffice: > >> In Progress > >> Status in The Linux Kernel: > >> New > >> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > >> In Progress > >> Status in The Linux OS Project: > >> In Progress > >> Status in Neobot: > >> New > >> Status in Novabot: > >> New > >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > >> In Progress > >> Status in Tabuntu: > >> Invalid > >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > >> Invalid > >> Status in Tv-Player: > >> Invalid > >> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > >> In Progress > >> Status in Ubuntu: > >> Fix Released > >> Status in Arch Linux: > >> Confirmed > >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > >> Invalid > >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: > >> In Progress > >> Status in Fedora: > >> Confirmed > >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > >> Confirmed > >> Status in openSUSE: > >> In Progress > >> Status in Tilix Linux: > >> New > >> > >> Bug description: > >> See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > >> -- > >> > >> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > >> marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > >> to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > >> driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > >> all." > >> > >> "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > experie
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Perhaps we should change the bug name to: "Microsoft has a majority market share on the Desktop" If need be, bugs can be opened for other form factors. On 10/24/2014 10:19 AM, Faldegast wrote: > Actually no. This was always about desktop. Of course the fact that many > usecases have an alternative that works on android or chrome have made > things better. But I still can't use Photoshop or Cubase on Linux. > > Personally I don't think we have fully won before Microsoft starts > supporting Linux with Office etc. Of course replacing vendor-locked > applications with open source are optimal but so far we have only > succeed with webbrowsers. > > If Google succeeds in moving everything into the browser thats a win > against OS monopoly but we should remember that Chrome Store are NOT > Open source. But Native Client and PPAPI is so building an alternate > store is possible and moving offering software in more than one store > are a lot easier than supporting different operating systems. > >> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:19:55 + >> From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net >> To: faldeg...@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share >> >> Hi :) >> +1 >> except the question is really out-dated now. There's really 3 forks of >> it; >> >> 1. desktop only = still not fixed >> 2. total devices used by weeus = done but debatable >> 3. handhelds = definitely done. >> >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> -- >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug >> report. >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 >> >> Title: >> Microsoft has a majority market share >> >> Status in Club Distro: >> Confirmed >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: >> Confirmed >> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: >> New >> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: >> Invalid >> Status in dylan.NET: >> Invalid >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: >> Invalid >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: >> Invalid >> Status in JAK LINUX: >> Invalid >> Status in LibreOffice: >> In Progress >> Status in The Linux Kernel: >> New >> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: >> In Progress >> Status in The Linux OS Project: >> In Progress >> Status in Neobot: >> New >> Status in Novabot: >> New >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: >> In Progress >> Status in Tabuntu: >> Invalid >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: >> Invalid >> Status in Tv-Player: >> Invalid >> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: >> In Progress >> Status in Ubuntu: >> Fix Released >> Status in Arch Linux: >> Confirmed >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: >> Invalid >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: >> In Progress >> Status in Fedora: >> Confirmed >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: >> Confirmed >> Status in openSUSE: >> In Progress >> Status in Tilix Linux: >> New >> >> Bug description: >> See Mark's closure comment here: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 >> -- >> >> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC >> marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant >> to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is >> driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to >> all." >> >> "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives >> everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they >> like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables >> the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and >> expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are >> able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise >> afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations >> all over the world." >>* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy >> >> Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and >> concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into >> the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles >> innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious >>
RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Actually no. This was always about desktop. Of course the fact that many usecases have an alternative that works on android or chrome have made things better. But I still can't use Photoshop or Cubase on Linux. Personally I don't think we have fully won before Microsoft starts supporting Linux with Office etc. Of course replacing vendor-locked applications with open source are optimal but so far we have only succeed with webbrowsers. If Google succeeds in moving everything into the browser thats a win against OS monopoly but we should remember that Chrome Store are NOT Open source. But Native Client and PPAPI is so building an alternate store is possible and moving offering software in more than one store are a lot easier than supporting different operating systems. > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:19:55 + > From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > Hi :) > +1 > except the question is really out-dated now. There's really 3 forks of > it; > > 1. desktop only = still not fixed > 2. total devices used by weeus = done but debatable > 3. handhelds = definitely done. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fedora: > Confirmed > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives > everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they > like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables > the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and > expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able > to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford > it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all > over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary. > > What should happen: > > A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. > &
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) +1 except the question is really out-dated now. There's really 3 forks of it; 1. desktop only = still not fixed 2. total devices used by weeus = done but debatable 3. handhelds = definitely done. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Páll Haraldsson wrote: > @mwildam: "[...] ALL OF THEM > do their main computer work with a PC or laptop. You cannot assume > that most of the serious computer work is done from an Android phone or > tablet." > > Why is that? And not sure it's true for all. Because Computer work is not only web surfing and email. Imagine a photographer, technical designer, architect, lawyers, ..., and pretty everyone working in IT - just to give a few examples. Imagine all the people working with branch specific software - e.g. dental technician. - I cannot imagine any of those working on a smartphone or tablet only. > For the global perspective most people probably do not have a PC while > they may have a smartphone. You could say they only surf the web.. Of course - somebody cleaning toilets all day long (and this example is not because I do not appreciate the work of those!) does not need a high sophisticated operating system and neither does a waitress! But do you want to build an OS that an IT guy and lawyer likes to use or do you want to build one that is likes by a waitress? - Both should be satisfied, but let's be honest: If you need to mail and surf the web only then it is pretty irrelevant which OS you use! > In India and other countries Android is the most popular operating > system including for browsing the web; according to Statcounter; "Mobile > usage has already overtaken desktop [...] That is no wonder - you should get also statistics about how many people are working in which branch and: I do a lot of web surfing on my way to work or to customers while traveling - reading (IT) news for example. But while programming or writing concept documents at/for/with customers nearly no web network traffic is produced. And guess what: Usability and software features are far more relevant to me in these situations! - So be aware that such statistics are partly useless if it comes to usage of an operating system. Please do _not_ reduce computer work to email, web surfing and chat! And I am still convinced that this bug 1 has been closed prematurely. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Shuttleworth may have closed this bug prematurely (haven't followed all comments..) based on iOS plus Android having majority over Windows. Anyway not important now as Android alone seems bigger than Windows now (including iOS and OS X etc - all others). @mwildam: "although most people I know do have a smartphone (or two - a private one and a business phone) and maybe also have a tablet, ALL OF THEM do their main computer work with a PC or laptop. You cannot assume that most of the serious computer work is done from an Android phone or tablet." Why is that? And not sure it's true for all. For the global perspective most people probably do not have a PC while they may have a smartphone. You could say they only surf the web.. Programming for Android is even somewhat possible within the OS. Keyboard (and mouse) can be connected. QT works for Android and I wander how difficult it is to port most Linux programs to Android. My post on Ubuntu Touch to the mailing-list being a dead-end and Android compatibility being essentioal didn't make it there.. In 2013, Android-based devices outsold Windows' 2.8:1 (2:1 in mature markets) or by 573 million units (estimating the gap to widen much in 2014 and 2015). In India and other countries Android is the most popular operating system including for browsing the web; according to Statcounter; "Mobile usage has already overtaken desktop in several countries including India, South Africa and Saudi Arabia"[226] with several countries in Africa having done so already, including Ethiopia and Kenia (there mobile is 72.23%) See also: http://www.thedrum.com/news/2014/10/22/twitter-ceo-costolo- launches-free-mobile-development-kit-fabric-unite-developers-and -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
bu ne > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 19:12:25 + > From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > To: mesu...@hotmail.com > Subject: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > ** Package changed: linux (Fedora) => fedora > > ** Changed in: fedora >Status: New => Confirmed > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to Tivion. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fedora: > Confirmed > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives > everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they > like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables > the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and > expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able > to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford > it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all > over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary. > > What should happen: > > A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. > >* http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >* http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines >* http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Package changed: linux (Fedora) => fedora ** Changed in: fedora Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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** Also affects: linux (Fedora) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I don't remember which it was exactly, it would have probably been unity. Anyway, the program needed the location tracker, but didn't want such filth on my system, and I eventually was able to satisify the dependancy of the program that required the location tracker by compiling the whole thing into a deb, with its data files blank. And ubuntu ran with no problem with the modification. The next oddity is the greeter, I don't see why that would need the whole desktop enviroment. Does gdm or kdm need their entire corrosponding emviroment, no. Both of which can run on Lubuntu, and kdm can even be shipped on a custom remastersys style livecd with no issues. Therefore there is no valid reason for ubuntu's greeter to require all of ubuntu. All this is, is locking users into what cononical wants, just like Apple and Microsoft with their OSes. As far as I'm concerned, Ubuntu is only riding on it's former glory, as it is quite likelly that if a distro now came out with as much spyware as ubuntu, they would be rejected instantly. Canonical has lost my trust completly, to the point that I don't want to use ubuntu again. --- Original Message --- From: "LocutusOfBorg" Sent: September 7, 2013 4:36 PM To: rodneyrules2...@hotmail.com Subject: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share "(I noticed that all ubuntu specific programs are all dependancies of each other despite not needing the others to run in most cases.)" could you please give examples? -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: New Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: Invalid Status in dylan.NET: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in LibreOffice: In Progress Status in The Linux Kernel: New Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: In Progress Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in Neobot: New Status in Novabot: New Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: Invalid Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: In Progress Status in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in Arch Linux: Confirmed Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 -- Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to all." "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world." * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. What happens: Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be proprietary. What should happen: A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification becau
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
"(I noticed that all ubuntu specific programs are all dependancies of each other despite not needing the others to run in most cases.)" could you please give examples? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
It looks like in the latest ubuntu pre-release, all us users have been ignored in favour of more spyware and adware, which leaks info to the british an US governments, through all those useless lens addon that connect to all those websites. I suspect that this spyware will become a dependency and later merged into other programs. (I noticed that all ubuntu specific programs are all dependancies of each other despite not needing the others to run in most cases.) I also am one of the many people that have dumped ubuntu in favour of other distros because of this. I am hoping that canonical removes the spyware by 14.04, but I doubt they will considering they are a company and most companies don't give a stuff bout the users. In a nutshell: Ubuntu gives GNU/Linux a bad name and Canonical is now as bad is Apple and Microsoft. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
we miss old "Ubuntu Manifesto" speaking about ‘free of charge’ and we feel be betrayed by the "portfolio of services provided by Canonical" of current policies -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi :) Thanks YannUbuntu! :)) I accidentally read some early comments in this thread. I really liked 113's code! :) If we could have something like that on LiveCds as part of ClamAv's check or something! :)) Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Summary changed: - Ubuntu desktop is too buggy to gain majority market share + Microsoft has a majority market share -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Agree strongly. On 7 June 2013 15:45, Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > Wow, i find it amazing that you don't see more people using mobile or > hand-held devices in your town! > > Also amazing that you can't buy any hand-held or mobile devices anywhere. > > Such devices have already pretty much taken over here in the Uk. > > Of course mobile devices are all around also here in Austria, but: > Mobile devices are an addon - they help on the go and they are good > for consuming IT content, but they are bad when it comes to > "production" like Programming, Document Writing, Foto Editing, Desktop > Publishing, Design, CAD, ... > > This is why I do give nothing on those news headliner telling that the > PC era is over. > Of course: A lot of people do use a computer (approx guess) 80 % > internet surving or watching video, 10 % email reading and 10 % email > writing. - Those are perfectly service with a large enough tablet. > Anyway I do not know any tablet or smartphone user not having also a > laptop or PC at home. > > BTW: I consider PC and laptop as both being relevant for this bug #1. > > [snip] > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) I usually find one of the main blockers to Ubuntu migrations is trying to get wireless connections to work. They should work because yes, both sides are running Gnu&Linux but somehow it's only the Windows laptops that can connect, not the Ubuntu ones (or the Ubuntu side of the dual-boot). We are now in a position to demand that wireless connections do work with Gnu&Linux. No more of this Cd with only Windows drivers. We need wireless devices that give us the equivalents for Mac and for Gnu&Linux. People and the mainstream media (even the tech press) are years away from realising that desktops are a vital part of the eco-system. At the moment they are still wowed by the tiny machines being faster and doing more than their crumbling ancient Windows-'driven' desktops. Eventually they might realise they still need desktops but maybe ones that don't rely on Windows. Lets capitalise on the brief moment we have to push mobile devices and their capabilities. Most office workers work in only 2 or 3 locations; home, work and maybe "in-transit between the 2". It's fairly rare to have multiple work locations. About half the people at my main work-place bring in their Androids, iPad/iPhones with no thought or expectation of being able to use them productively. To be fair even desktop users tend to email documents to each other in order to get them onto the machine that can print. They don't seem to understand that they can save to the network and them reach from any machine and they don't seem to realise that all machine can print. However, why not print directly from their Android's? Maybe only to 1 or 2 of the printers at work or the 1 at home (depending on where they are). We have only a couple of years to push this type of work-flow before everyone starts to return to their desktops but right now we have an opportunity to really push for peripherals that are compatible. Btw i have huge troubles trying to get a proper office photocopier to work. We have a large Ricoh with a multi-sheet feeder on top, supposedly able to staple as well as collate. It's so tall that it's made to stand on the floor and comes up to just over waist high on me although it's more like chest high to a lot of the ladies. We also have an A3 colour printer that we normally use to print A4 in colour. I can't get the Oki C810 nor the Ricoh to work at all under Gnu&Linux. The tiny hewlett packard printers worked "straight off the bat" with 0 effort. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> >To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk >Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013, 11:15 >Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > >Hi, > >On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: >> Wow, i find it amazing that you don't see more people using mobile or >> hand-held devices in your town! >> Also amazing that you can't buy any hand-held or mobile devices anywhere. >> Such devices have already pretty much taken over here in the Uk. > >Of course mobile devices are all around also here in Austria, but: >Mobile devices are an addon - they help on the go and they are good for >consuming IT content, but they are bad when it comes to "production" like >Programming, Document Writing, Foto Editing, Desktop Publishing, Design, CAD, >... > >This is why I do give nothing on those news headliner telling that the PC era >is over. Of course: A lot of people do use a computer (approx guess) 80 % >internet surving or watching video, 10 % email reading and 10 % email writing. >- Those are perfectly service with a large enough tablet. Anyway I do not >know any tablet or smartphone user not having also a laptop or PC at home. > >BTW: I consider PC and laptop as both being relevant for this bug #1. > > >> However i do agree that this bug is not really fixed. Quite the contrary! > >Yes, indeed! > > >> Now is the time to really start working at it! Now that mobile devices and >> hand-helds have become so common-place it >> should be easier to go into stores and demand peripherals (such as printers, >> wireless routers etc) that are Gnu&Linux >> friendly. Demands such as "I need a printer for work but need to know that >> i will be able to print from my Android. > >This is an uncommon use case. What I see always: Documents are sent by email >to somebody who has the desired printer on his laptop or PC already configured >in the list of available printers. At least 2 times a week I am at customers >and I would never go to connect to a wild number of printers and after >changing to the next phone model have to do it again
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi, On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Wow, i find it amazing that you don't see more people using mobile or > hand-held devices in your town! > Also amazing that you can't buy any hand-held or mobile devices anywhere. > Such devices have already pretty much taken over here in the Uk. Of course mobile devices are all around also here in Austria, but: Mobile devices are an addon - they help on the go and they are good for consuming IT content, but they are bad when it comes to "production" like Programming, Document Writing, Foto Editing, Desktop Publishing, Design, CAD, ... This is why I do give nothing on those news headliner telling that the PC era is over. Of course: A lot of people do use a computer (approx guess) 80 % internet surving or watching video, 10 % email reading and 10 % email writing. - Those are perfectly service with a large enough tablet. Anyway I do not know any tablet or smartphone user not having also a laptop or PC at home. BTW: I consider PC and laptop as both being relevant for this bug #1. > However i do agree that this bug is not really fixed. Quite the contrary! Yes, indeed! > Now is the time to really start working at it! Now that mobile devices and > hand-helds have become so common-place it > should be easier to go into stores and demand peripherals (such as printers, > wireless routers etc) that are Gnu&Linux > friendly. Demands such as "I need a printer for work but need to know that i > will be able to print from my Android. This is an uncommon use case. What I see always: Documents are sent by email to somebody who has the desired printer on his laptop or PC already configured in the list of available printers. At least 2 times a week I am at customers and I would never go to connect to a wild number of printers and after changing to the next phone model have to do it again anyway. I already reduce the list of configured W-LAN entries in my phone. Even if it would be just 2 clicks or touches away - I first would have to ask some person at customer side to what printer I should send the document xy, would maybe need to configure page size, make sure enough paper is in the trays and so on. Apart from the fact that on many network printers you first need to login anyway and have to be within the customers real network and not only in the guest W-LAN. > So, is this printer Gnu&Linux friendly?" This of course is an issue sometimes, but I experience less problems to get a Linux compatible printer than a Linux compatible laptop/PC. > or "I need a wireless router so that my Android can access my home/work > network. > Does this router have drivers for Gnu&Linux?" I never heard of drivers I need on my client to support particular routers. Routers are running their own operating system inside and most of them alreasy run a flavour of Linux ASFAIK. I do consider routers - as servers - already to be taken over by Linux. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) Wow, i find it amazing that you don't see more people using mobile or hand-held devices in your town! Also amazing that you can't buy any hand-held or mobile devices anywhere. Such devices have already pretty much taken over here in the Uk. However i do agree that this bug is not really fixed. Quite the contrary! Now is the time to really start working at it! Now that mobile devices and hand-helds have become so common-place it should be easier to go into stores and demand peripherals (such as printers, wireless routers etc) that are Gnu&Linux friendly. Demands such as "I need a printer for work but need to know that i will be able to print from my Android. So, is this printer Gnu&Linux friendly?" or "I need a wireless router so that my Android can access my home/work network. Does this router have drivers for Gnu&Linux?" This demand needs to reach the OEMs. Stores need to know that they have got to start supporting Gnu&Linux = that there is demand for it and that the demand is growing. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Martyn Vallett <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> >To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk >Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013, 8:48 >Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > >I firmly believe that this bug is no where near being fixed! > >Things that need to be fixed: > >1. Quite a few of the OEM's still don't support Linux, and whenever >drivers are asked for (I'm talking about items that aren't supported >correctly by the kernel, such as my particular GPU.) they try to get you >to use windows. I know this through experience! Now if bug 1 was truly >fixed then I should have had no problem at all getting what I needed, or >not to have needed to get the drivers in the first place. > >2. This has already been mentioned a lot but the retail stores dislike >selling anything other than windows pre-installed. > >3. I've already mentioned this before but, we really need some >advertising of some sort. I only know two people other than myself in my >town that use Linux. Advertising/Public awareness could change that. > >I agree with PJO about the closure statement, It definitely sounded a >bit odd. > > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I firmly believe that this bug is no where near being fixed! Things that need to be fixed: 1. Quite a few of the OEM's still don't support Linux, and whenever drivers are asked for (I'm talking about items that aren't supported correctly by the kernel, such as my particular GPU.) they try to get you to use windows. I know this through experience! Now if bug 1 was truly fixed then I should have had no problem at all getting what I needed, or not to have needed to get the drivers in the first place. 2. This has already been mentioned a lot but the retail stores dislike selling anything other than windows pre-installed. 3. I've already mentioned this before but, we really need some advertising of some sort. I only know two people other than myself in my town that use Linux. Advertising/Public awareness could change that. I agree with PJO about the closure statement, It definitely sounded a bit odd. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Not only visiting a shop you still mostly see Windows on the PCs, it took me a lot of discussion and cost me about 200 bucks more than expected to get a new PC from Dell (today) with Ubuntu preinstalled. First time, Dell made troubles selling me a Windows-less PC, so for my experience here in Austria things seem even to get worse. But the positive point: Comparing to the words of Gandhi we are in the phase where they fight you. Best regards. -- Martin Wildam Am 06.06.2013 20:51 schrieb "northrup" <1...@bugs.launchpad.net>: > This bug is not fixed. Based on the outlined steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > At least in the Reno, NV area, the results of the "steps to repeat" > involve relatively-nonexistent availability of free-and-open-source > purchasing options; nearly all PCs sold here are preinstalled with > either Windows or (in the case of those originally manufactured by > Apple, Inc.) Mac OS X. Some PCs can be purchased without operating > systems if from a small vendor, but in those cases it's reliant upon me > having technical experience and making it clear that I am capable of > installing software myself; larger vendors do not offer this ability. > Perhaps this is different in other areas (if it is, further > clarification - as well as real estate listings and job offerings to > assist with me packing my bags and moving - would be appreciated). > > While PC manufacturers are beginning to make their Linux offerings more > apparent (namely, Dell, in addition to Linux-only vendors like > System76), this is far from the mainstream, and PC users without > technical experience/capability will likely be stuck with a non-free > operating system preinstalled. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in Neobot: > New > Status in Novabot: > New > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the > other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who > couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by > individuals and organisations all over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary.
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This bug is not fixed. Based on the outlined steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. At least in the Reno, NV area, the results of the "steps to repeat" involve relatively-nonexistent availability of free-and-open-source purchasing options; nearly all PCs sold here are preinstalled with either Windows or (in the case of those originally manufactured by Apple, Inc.) Mac OS X. Some PCs can be purchased without operating systems if from a small vendor, but in those cases it's reliant upon me having technical experience and making it clear that I am capable of installing software myself; larger vendors do not offer this ability. Perhaps this is different in other areas (if it is, further clarification - as well as real estate listings and job offerings to assist with me packing my bags and moving - would be appreciated). While PC manufacturers are beginning to make their Linux offerings more apparent (namely, Dell, in addition to Linux-only vendors like System76), this is far from the mainstream, and PC users without technical experience/capability will likely be stuck with a non-free operating system preinstalled. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Dear Mr Shuttleworth, I'm happy to see that this bug is fixed but you could have attached the correct patch (read as 'valid proof'). Humbly, the figure above doesn't reflect the global perspective of adoption of FOSS in desktop market. Android/Chrome OS on desktops .. here in India? No way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Getting the refund back for an unused Windows license on purchased computer with Windows preinstalled can be difficult or impossible. Toshiba Finland, for example, doesn't even bother to answer enquiries of this sort. Nowadays, you *can* find laptops preloaded with Ubuntu from Amazon. The last 3 I have bought have come with Ubuntu preinstalled. (all Asus brand) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Bravo Zulu! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Next thing to be changed is Ubuntu promise -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) This is true but all eyes are on the portable devices. It will be a few years before people realise that they really do need a proper desktop. The problem is that desktops are seen as slow monstrosities. Sure they are fast when you first get them but they soon suffer slowdowns and multiple problems. People see portable devices being faster and staying fast. They just don't make the connection that it's the OS not the machine. Windows successfully killed off the 1st wave of smaller, lighter machines (netbooks) by insisting on the Windows versions being sold in shops and blocking the ones with OSes made for the form factor. Everyone i know of that still has the original OSes or replaced them or the Windows with Ubuntu still loves their machines all these years later. Everyone that stuck with Windows on them thinks they are retarded, even though the specs are probably higher than the tablets they love. So the question is will people remember only how slow desktops quickly became or will they wonder if the 'new' OSes such as Android or Ubuntu can work on the desktops too. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> >To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk >Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 23:00 >Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > >Sorry Mark, but as many above I also cannot consider this bug being >fixed. Only last week I wanted to buy a new Canonical certified >hardware from Dell - they definitely do not want to sell a non-Windows >PC to me. Best offer I could get (after insisting) is at about 1 third >more expensive. I never had such problems before with Dell and of >course this is not the first time I want to buy a non-Windows PC. - >Just to give an example. Similar issue at other places. > >On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mark Shuttleworth ><1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: >> Personal computing today is a broader proposition than it was in 2004: >> phones, tablets, wearables and other devices are all part of the mix for >> our digital lives. From a competitive perspective, that broader market >> has healthy competition, with IOS and Android representing a meaningful >> share > >Yes, but these new devices mostly cannot be considered to be a >replacement for a desktop PC or laptop. Most people owning a tablet >also own a PC. For productive work in most cases a laptop or PC is >still the best choice. Tablets and Smartphones are still only a >secondary device used for emailing and news-reading (or playing) in >the very most cases. > > >> It's worth noting that today, if you're into cloud computing, the >> Microsoft IAAS team are both technically excellent and very focused on >> having ALL OS's including Linux guests like Ubuntu run extremely well on >> Azure, making them a pleasure to work with. > >At the server side Linux already won a long time ago, but not at >client side and I always thought that Bug #1 focuses on the client. > >Best regards, Martin. > >-- >You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug >report. >https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > >Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > >Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed >Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed >Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New >Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid >Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid >Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid >Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid >Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid >Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress >Status in The Linux Kernel: > New >Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress >Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress >Status in Neobot: > New >Status in Novabot: > New >Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress >Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid >Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid >Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid >Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress >Status in Ubuntu: > Fix Released >Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed >Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid >Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress >Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed >Status in openSUSE: > In Progress >Status in Tilix Linux: > New > >Bug description: > See Mark's closure comment here: >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 > -- > > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the phi
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) It's probably better to tell them further down the road. Once you have become a bit friendlier with each other and they know 1st hand that you are excellent and provide good quality services. It might surprise them how much extra effort you had to and were willing to put in to secure the relationship. It might embarrass them to know that Word formats are increasingly tough for people now that Windows is not number 1 and that their form causes people such problems. Are they starting to lose business by sticking to such temperamental formats? MS Office 2007, 2010, 2013 and 365 can "Save As ..." "OpenDocument Format" (.odt for 'text' (really documents done by word-processor NOT text-files)). That's 6 years and 4 versions. 2007 and 2010 cunningly used the outdated Odf version 1.1 but that's only a problem for spreadsheets. 2013 and 365 use Odf version 1.2 same as everyone else has been using for over 7 years. Odf is becoming much more widely used because it means documents will be able to be read long after MS's formats have changed so much that old documents are unreadable. Entire countries and large organisations are switching to it. The French police force over a year ago, hospitals in Copenhagen about a year ago, all government desktops in one of the 'States' of Spain (40,000 machines) added to 70,000 machines in schools which switched a few years ago, all of Brasil for many years now. Errr, those are just a few that caught my eye. It's probably still better to use the older Word formats (.Doc) (fomr MS Office 2000, Xp, 2003) rather than their newer ooxml .DocX format even if they want to restrict their business to other MS Office users because the DocX implementation changes with every release. In fact we often find that it's the LibreOffice user that has to act as "go between" in offices when 2 people have trouble sharing documents with each other. The DocXs produced by LibreOffice are the only ones that can be read by all different versions of MS Office!! So, it is tough at the moment but things are moving your way and beginning to move quite a lot more quickly. Are businesses going to be ready? Your new corporate customer's isn't. Yours is. Regards from Tom :) >________________ > From: Pedro Galvan <> >Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 23:05 >Subject: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > >Just this week, a corporate customer with whom I am starting a business >relationship sent me a ms word document with a form that I needed to fill in >order for them to register me as a supplier. > >Needless to say, I had to use ms word to open it. > > > >I know that some will say that they would have told the customer to send >the document in a non-proprietary format. Yeah, right. I would like to >see you tell that to a new customer with an important deal. > > > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Just this week, a corporate customer with whom I am starting a business relationship sent me a ms word document with a form that I needed to fill in order for them to register me as a supplier. Needless to say, I had to use ms word to open it. I tried to do it in libreoffice but all the layout was messed up, and I didn't want to return my customer a messed up document. Also, the document had a field that was a digital signature, and libreoffice didn't recognize it properly. As many people do, I used to have a windows partition just for cases like this. However, a few months ago my HDD failed and I decided to replace it with a SSD. With space being much more limited on SSD, I decided there was no use in having Windows around anymore. So ... I had to send the documents to my wife and ask her to open them up in windows+office and fill them up. Fortunately, she is also an executive in the company and was legally allowed to digitally sign those papers. Otherwise, I would have had to install a digital signature certificate of myself, in somebody else's computer, and I wouldn't have liked that. I know that some will say that they would have told the customer to send the document in a non-proprietary format. Yeah, right. I would like to see you tell that to a new customer with an important deal. Probably others will also tell me that there were ways to cimcurvent this and still do it from Linux by using certain programs/commands/hacks. That doesn't matter, because even if I were able to do it, your average user wouldn't. So, if you only care about the consumer+mobile world, then probably we could say this bug is fixed. But if you care about professionals, who mainly use personal computers for work, this bug is far from being fixed. Don't get me wrong. I agree that there has been an advance in some areas and I cheer for that. But that is no reason to give a blind eye to the areas where we haven't advanced. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Sorry Mark, but as many above I also cannot consider this bug being fixed. Only last week I wanted to buy a new Canonical certified hardware from Dell - they definitely do not want to sell a non-Windows PC to me. Best offer I could get (after insisting) is at about 1 third more expensive. I never had such problems before with Dell and of course this is not the first time I want to buy a non-Windows PC. - Just to give an example. Similar issue at other places. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Mark Shuttleworth <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Personal computing today is a broader proposition than it was in 2004: > phones, tablets, wearables and other devices are all part of the mix for > our digital lives. From a competitive perspective, that broader market > has healthy competition, with IOS and Android representing a meaningful > share Yes, but these new devices mostly cannot be considered to be a replacement for a desktop PC or laptop. Most people owning a tablet also own a PC. For productive work in most cases a laptop or PC is still the best choice. Tablets and Smartphones are still only a secondary device used for emailing and news-reading (or playing) in the very most cases. > It's worth noting that today, if you're into cloud computing, the > Microsoft IAAS team are both technically excellent and very focused on > having ALL OS's including Linux guests like Ubuntu run extremely well on > Azure, making them a pleasure to work with. At the server side Linux already won a long time ago, but not at client side and I always thought that Bug #1 focuses on the client. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@Barry For the record, FOSS does not imply software that is "free" as in beer. The protagonists of free software - the folks at GNU - openly state on www.gnu.org that it is perfectly acceptable to sell software "free" as in "freedom" for money. Hi :) Have to disagree with the top man. Ubuntu played a huge part. Ubuntu got out there into the mainstream press over and over again. Not as a quirky, insane, anarchistic, geek toy but as a serious business tool with repeated successes in many companies around the globe. Redhat had already been doing some of that for years but Ubuntu took it and ran with it straight onto the main stage. No other distro managed that so consistently. Can Ubuntu be the 1st to achieve what so many others are aiming for and be the 1st OS to successfully run on smart-phones, handhelds, tablets and where it already succeeds? Can Android reach the desktop or can Windows turn their dismally failing mobiles and slate/tablets into success before Ubuntu get there? The race is on. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Mark Shuttleworth <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> >Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2013, 11:38 > > > > >Even though we have only played a small part in that shift > > > -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: New Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: Invalid Status in dylan.NET: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in LibreOffice: In Progress Status in The Linux Kernel: New Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: In Progress Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in Neobot: New Status in Novabot: New Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: Invalid Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: In Progress Status in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in Arch Linux: Confirmed Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834 -- Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to all." "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world." * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. What happens: Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be proprietary. What should happen: A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://li
