[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-09-14 Thread Be
https://web.archive.org/web/20170622190455/http://tuxradar.com/content
/how-it-works-linux-audio-explained

** Package changed: mixxx (Ubuntu) => ubuntu

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-09-14 Thread RJ Skerry-Ryan
@27: 
pulse has a ton more features than dmix, which is why most distros use it

If all of your apps are using pulseaudio then they shouldn't conflict
with each other. This suggests there is a rogue app running pasuspender
or somesuch (for example, the Mixxx desktop icon uses pasuspender by
default, so this will conflict with everything. If you run mixxx from a
terminal then it will not).

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-09-14 Thread Logan John
skype is with pulseaudio.
firefox also with pulseaudio
So far all apps that conflict with each other use pulseaudio. Unfortunately my 
test is based on firefox cause its always playing youtube in background. 
So why 2 applications conflicts with each other while trying to use pulse
Also, if dmix can do what pulse is suppose to do then why people created pulse?

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-09-13 Thread Daniel Schürmann
The issue can be visualized like this

sound hardware 
 |
Alsa (only one client allowed) 
 | | | L---Mixxx
 | | L-Skype 
 | L---dmix
 |
pulse audio server
| | L Firefox 
| L-- Clementine 
L pulse alsa bridge  

The issue is that Alsa only allows one device at a time. Pulseaudio
solves this, unfortunately not all applications have native pulsaudio
output. Some are just two old, using the cross platform portaudio
wrapper or just need direct hardware access for low latency.

There are two workarounds:

Installing dmix, which pretends exclusive alsa access but actually mixes
the samples from mutable applications.
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889375

Using the "pulse" alsa fake device, which pretends to be an alsa
soundcard but actual passes the samples to the pulse audio server.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-09-13 Thread Logan John
i have similar issues with multiple apps.
First let me say that im using mint 19 witch is base on ubuntu 18.04. I know 
its not the same.
The issue is youtube (firefox - which use pulseaudio now) freeze when: 
- wine game starts
- skype when calls are made. i'll have to try and see if this happens also 
during calls.
- open the sound controller (not pavucontrol)
- launching genymotion emulators

The situation seems to be less present in pulseaudio 12.2 and much stable than 
v11.x
But the general idea is simple: when two programs use pulse one will freeze for 
a short period of time before the app starts.
Also sometimes after the freeze is gone the sound is distorted (i don't know 
the exact word).
Sometimes pulse will revert from 7.1 to stereo and sound app will only show 
Analog Stereo Input and Analog Mono Input. Yes INPUT.
The solution to make the sound app to show the normval options is to select 
digital output and back to analog output
This is very very very very very very annoying. I've reach this page while 
searching google. I've noticed this freeze issue is quite old.

After i've read some "comments" and with my very little knowledge of linux in 
general i've came to wonder: why does pulseaudio even exists if it fails to do 
the most important thing: to allow more programs to use same device 
simultaneously?
I had no issue with alsa being use by more then 1 program. but since pulse 
started to grow in this present ugly thing, more and more programs also remove 
alsa support and move to pulseaudio only.
I have so many issues with pulseaudio now but the problem is i can't disable it 
without losing sound in some programs.
The sound app that comes with linuxmint is unable to unmoute the center/lfe 
channel since i've started to use mint (v15).
But if i remember correctly ubuntu was also unable to unmute center/lfe channel 
a long time ago.
i have to go alsaamixer and unmute it.

My audio card is creative x-fi fatality pro.

P.S: i'm mostly venting here after so many problems with pulse over so
many years. Probably its not even ubuntu/mint problem/bug

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-05-11 Thread elatllat
OK, now I can't reproduce this. I'll look for other variables...

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2018-05-11 Thread elatllat
Similar issue for festival and VLC on Ubuntu 18.04

echo "You will not hear this if VLC is playing" | festival --tts

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2015-09-18 Thread Chloé AVRILLON
Simpler :
Try to open a video in your webbrowser (tested with firefox and chrome, ubuntu 
15.04) and have Mixxx in the same time. cheers

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-12-12 Thread sandro dentella
I had the same problem and following #16 from Valentin I solved it.
Thanks.

In my case I did have gawk but the preferences where set on
'sourrounding51' rather than 'pulse'.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-12-08 Thread Mathew Hodson
** Tags removed: bug mute
** Tags added: amd64

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-10-06 Thread Owen Williams
stops producing sound is often accurate.  Sometimes just pausing a
media player is enough for pulse to release the device.  But not always
-- it depends on the player.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-10-06 Thread Owen Williams
It should not be necessary to run pasuspender.  Pulseaudio releases its
audio device following a short delay (5 sec?) after the last application
using pulse stops producing sound.  So, for instance, if I am playing a
youtube video and run Mixxx, I will notice that my sound card is not
available.  If I close the tab with the video, wait a few seconds, and
then Query Devices, my sound card appears and I can select it (no need
to restart Mixxx!).

I think we should work on a feature to detect when pulseaudio has
grabbed devices and show a warning, like PulseAudio is using device
[], please close [list of applications using pulse?] to allow Mixxx
to access it.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-10-05 Thread Joan CiberSheep
This is not abug (even I found it a bit annoying).
Mixx stops PulseAudio to get full control of sound. The only solutoin I found 
to make all sound at the same time is get all sound go through Jack.
Can't remember where I found how to do it but you can start:

 
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Musicians_Guide/sect-Musicians_Guide-Integrating_PulseAudio_with_JACK.html
 
 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#PulseAudio_through_JACK

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-10-05 Thread RJ Ryan
Hi -- to repeat what Jus said in #13 -- the Mixxx desktop shortcut runs:

$ pasuspender mixxx

Mixxx itself does not suspend Pulse. This is a workaround because pulse
does not support low-latency audio well and pulse also claims the user's
audio devices. I presume Pulse has improved in the 4 years since we
added this -- if it has we can remove this in our next release.

A workaround for users affected by this: Run Mixxx from a terminal or by
pressing Alt + F2 and typing mixxx in the box. This runs Mixxx without
changing Pulse at all.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-09 Thread Valentin Crone
Hum, I have in priority repported the bug for pulseaudio and musescore.
Look, I use kazam (beautiful version of this app for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS :) ) to 
show the bug in screencast.


On the vidéo, you can see musescore be immediately closed, but it's not that, 
look the timer on VLC, the time move in the future.

In reality: I have start the screencast, and when I opened musescore, the sound 
was mute.
In pavu control, I have say the sound appears to be freezed.

So, kazam is freezed when musescore is opened, because he will record
the sound and the sound is freezed.

To test, I had take several screencast.
I have uploaded 2 screencast.
On the 2 screencast I do the same thing, but, on the first Kazam record the 
sound, on the second Kazam doesn't record the sound.

You can show that Kazam is freezed when he record the sound when musescore or 
mixxx is opened. (on the vidéo, it's like the video was cut)
And when he doesn't record the sound, you can show all the screencast.

Theses screencast are the demonstration of the bug ;)

With sound recording, first screencast: 
http://dl.smglive.org/Crone123/PulseAudio/With-Sound.mp4
Without sound recording, second screencast: 
dl.smglive.org/Crone123/PulseAudio/Without-Sound.mp4

I think the bug affect Pulseaudio and not only mixxx/musescore ;)

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-09 Thread jus
Mixxx suspends pulseaudio when started from the Mixxx .desktop (Mixxx shortcut) 
file.
More @ 
http://mixxx.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3t=6368p=22023hilit=pasuspender#p22023

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-09 Thread Valentin Crone
OK, but the problem is not for Mixxx because if mix is opened Mixxx can
play it's musics.

 The problem is for Musescore, on Ubuntu 12.04 I have not this problem, but I 
have on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Musescore is mute like others apps.
- The sound (pulseaudio) of my computer is unusable
- Musescore is unusable.

Please look for Musescore and pulseaudio on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. I use
default settings (ALSA - pulse) for Musescore

And, why the bug was attached to mixxx? Mixxx is an example of program who mute 
all others apps, but the real problem is for Musescore/Pulseaudio on Ubuntu 
14.04 LTS.
Thank you

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-09 Thread Len Ovens
pulseaudio releasing a device because it is asked to do so, is not a
bug. That is, it seems pulseaudio is acting correctly, if an application
wants direct access to the audio device, Pulseaudio must give it up.
There can be only one one application attached to an ALSA device at a
time. The idea of pulseaudio (and other audio backends) was to get
around that by adding a mixer with psuedo alsa ports. This allows more
than one application to think it has access to a sound card. However,
there are some kinds of applications that need direct access to an audio
device to be useful. In order to accomodate these applications
pulseaudio has a command to release the device or pause itself so that
this application can run. When this happens all applications that are
using pulseaudio to play sound will stop (in various ways). This is not
a bug, but a nessessary feature needed for pulse to exist in the
(semi)pro audio world.

My reason for attaching the bug to mixxx is that this is the only place
I can reproduce it. And it tells me that Mixxx is using the pause
pulseaudio command incorrectly. It should not pause pulse when it is not
using an alsa device or starting jackd on it's own and it does. This is
a bug because mixxx suggests that it can be used for Internet radio and
one of the most common things done on radio is to take phone calls to
air... on a computer that generally means Skype for a lot of people.
Skype needs pulse to work and can be bridged to jackd(bus) but not with
pulse paused.

I will look more closely at musescore and see if it does the same thing
without using jack as my audio device.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-09 Thread Valentin Crone
Hello,
I have good news.
I have found what is the problem with musescore and pulseaudio (I have check 
the terminal)

It's not a problem of pulseaudio, and not a problem of musescore.
It's just a dependency problem of the package musescore
To work with pulseaudio, musescore require gawk, and gawk is not installed 
by default.

After installing gawk, musescore say:
PulseAudio found, but no need to suspend. Starting mscore.real...

To prevent crash of musescore, we must delete his configuration:
~/.cache/MusE

So, start Musescore, VLC continue to play, and if you have no sound in
musescore, go to Préférences and set:

→ Use internal synth
→Portaudio
API: ALSA : pulse

Apply, and now you have sound, just adjust the volume in musescore with
the little dedicated window.

Screencast of my test:
http://dl.smglive.org/Crone123/PulseAudio/work.mp4 (the bug with Unity
in the video is only in the video, it's a problem with Kazam when
recording a screencast with 30fps)

So, to fix the bug with musescore, just add gawk as dependency of
musescore and set the settings Portaudio, ALSA,  pulse by default
in musescore.


For mixxx it's not a solution. Why mixxx doesn't use the standard sound server 
like all others programs?
(But, I not really use mixxx, I use Musescore for my partitions and I have just 
seen the problem with mixx because I have tested one time)

Thank you :)

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-08 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: mixxx (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-08 Thread Len Ovens
I installed both vlc and mixxx.
I can run a video on vlc, a youtube video and musescore all at the same time. 
My musescore is the same (or works when set the same). Anyway all three run. 
The audio from all three mix. SO far so good.

Now start mixxx... I already have jackdbus running and use jacksink as
my pulse backend/device  :)  I know not very stock. Anyway, mixxx pretty
much kills all the pulse sound. OK, mixxx is using jack directly and not
trying to go through pulse audio at all. Pulse just looks like any other
jack client and so the next thing is to try mixxx with another jack
client... Hydrogen is handy and is not stopped by mixxx. Hmm. OK, lets
see if /usr/bin/mixxx is a script that maybe runs pasuspender... No it
is a binary.

I would still say the problem is with Mixxx. I suspect (but don't know
how to find out) that mixxx sends a suspend to pulseaudio when it
attempts to get it's output set up... Either start jack or grab the alsa
port... unfortunately it does not let go of it after it has gotten it's
port (as it should... at least jackdbus does so)

** Package changed: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) = mixxx

** Project changed: mixxx = mixxx (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-03 Thread Valentin Crone
Other attachement:
VLC without Musescore

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-03 Thread Valentin Crone
My config of VLC:
(But, I precise, it's not a problem of VLC because all applications become mute 
if Musescore is opened)

Other problem: On Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, I can play sheets in musescore, on Ubuntu 
14.04 LTS, Musescore will not read notes.
I suppose it's a problem between Musescore and it's configuration for the sound 
server. (Or a bug)

Verify that the config is correct, but with the config by default, or with this 
config, I problem persist.
Thank you :)

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-03 Thread Valentin Crone
Hello,
I use all defaults settings.
And I have just installed Musescore and have this bug immediately.

When I quit musescore, I have like a lag and the sound of others apps I
here again.

On my screenshot, the music is playing in VLC.
I have opened pavucontrol, I see the volume of VLC move with the music.

But,  when I open musescore, the volume is in pavucontrol is freezed,
and I ear no sound of all others apps (same for notification sounds of
Ubuntu)


When I quit musescore, the sound lag 1s and it can be ear again for all apps, 
the volume in pavucontrol move a with the music again.

I can test with others computer to test, but on the same computer I have
try with my 2 sound cards and same if VLC use one card, and Musescore
the other card, the problem persist.

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  All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-03 Thread Valentin Crone
My config of musescore:

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[Bug 1325752] Re: All apps become mute when certain apps are opened.

2014-06-02 Thread Len Ovens
Have you changed the settings on these programs? I don't have mixxx
installed (studio doesn't install it by default) but I can run a youtube
video and then start Musescore and hit play and it will play along with
the video. Musescore seems to come with IO set to portaudio with the API
set to alsa and the device set to default ( the default alsa device is
PulseAudio unless you have changed that). I am not sure what mixxx would
do with that.

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