[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.183 --- language-selector (0.183) bionic; urgency=medium * fontconfig/30-cjk-aliases.conf: Complete with Noto fonts (LP: #1581160, LP: #1581151). -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson Fri, 10 Nov 2017 02:38:00 +0100 ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
I have uploaded related changes to /etc/fonts/conf.avail/30-cjk-aliases.conf: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/345170169/language- selector_0.182_0.183.diff.gz Would appreciate if someone for respective language, who understands the meaning of those aliases, could review the changes. ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released => Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
Ok, so now the preferred serif font for Chinese has been changed to "Noto Serif CJK {SC,TC}". Please test this, and report any related issues ASAP. I let this bug report remain closed. Let's file new reports if and when it's considered motivated to deal with further changes of the default Chinese font configuration. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.182 --- language-selector (0.182) bionic; urgency=medium * data/pkg_depends: Pull Noto fonts for Japanese and Korean (LP: #1581160). * fontconfig/64-language-selector-prefer.conf: Add Korean fonts (LP: #1581160). * fontconfig/69-language-selector-ja.conf: New Japanese config file to control hinting etc. (LP: #1581160). * fontconfig/69-language-selector-zh-??.conf: Make Noto Serif CJK the preferred serif font (LP: #1581151). -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson Thu, 02 Nov 2017 00:13:00 +0100 ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Committed => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Committed ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
Thanks Yuan Chao. Then I'll make change #1 in the beginning of the 18.04 development cycle, so we have sufficient time to test. As regards #2 it has to be evaluated by the Chinese user community. Let's keep pulling them for now. On 2017-10-12 17:52, Yuan Chao wrote: > 3. I think "prepend" is still needed for fallback when using > non-Noto fonts? I'm not sure of that. There is also the mechanism - please see the beginning of the bug description. If you switch to an English locale, and are still able to use e.g. Uming, it would indicate that "prepend" isn't needed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
To me, 1. This is for sure to go. Noto serif has large glyph coverage and better font (hinting) quality. I think it should go first in the alias. 2. Some old software like adobe flash / youtube (flash must die...) has hard-coded font name in the program. I recall UMing and UKai do some tweaks to overcome this. Those settings need to be kept and migrate. Also some old software have hard time dealing with TTC or OTF/OCF, this needs test. (maybe it's time to get rid of them all... ;) ) 3. I think "prepend" is still needed for fallback when using non-Noto fonts? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
Since Noto now provides also Serif for CJK, I reopened this bug. My questions are: 1. Since Serif fonts are included in fonts-noto-cjk and fonts-noto-cjk- extra, wouldn't it be a good idea to make Noto Serif be the first serif options in the /etc/fonts/conf.avail/69-language-selector-zh-??.conf files? 2. Should we keep pulling the fonts-arphic-* packages by default for Chinese users? 3. If we would make the changes in 1. and 2., are the /etc/fonts/conf.avail/69-language-selector-zh-??.conf files motivated at all? ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
fonts-noto-cjk also provides Noto Sans Mono, but not serif. Ok, this attempt at simplifying things may be a "mission impossible". :-/ So we'll keep needing language specific font configuration for CJK, after all. Guess we have to live with the fact that no "perfect" configuration exists, which would deal with all the CJK languages simultaneously also for serif. Closing this bug report. Thanks for your comments! ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New => Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
As said by yuanchao, we need to deal with Serif font faces, especially those commonly used commercial fonts like SimSun (which is free for personal use), and some other fonts that's easy to purchase. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1581151] Re: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf?
For Noto Sans font, it's just for the Sans Serif family. Still for Serif fonts, we still rely on other local font sets. The fallback settings in those fontconfig files should still be needed. Japanese uses Chinese characters but with some variates. That's why a local font is preferred. Noto Sans provides all glyphs for different locale, which meets the needs. Just currently only Sans Serif is provided for Noto Sans. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1581151 Title: Time to drop 69-language-selector-zh-??.conf? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1581151/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs