[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Minutes ago I had to kill whatever was slowing me down to a crawl. Scrollkeeper. I don't want this. I don't need this. I don't want my system slowed down by something I don't want / need / use / asked for (and never will either)! I don't need to use a distro containing loads of crap added on that is not used and slows me down. For this very reason I use Xubuntu and not Ubuntu - minimal useless and never used crud added! I hate, hate, hate slow computers - I JUST WANT TO DO MY WORK WITHOUT CURSING THE BLOODY PC! Please get rid of scrollkeeper! -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
@casper: What Ubuntu version do you use? There is no scrollkeeper at all in Ubuntu 9.10, I don't assume it will return in the future. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
regardless of behavior indexing is not *essential* to for instance gedit etc you could be on a small (2gb) SSD and not have the room for index's and not want the media thrashed package dependencies should not be used to enforce system design but only when packages will absolutely not function without the dependency -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
** Description changed: Binary package hint: scrollkeeper In order to remove scrollkeeper I am informed by apt-get that the following must also be removed: - alacarte apturl bug-buddy capplets-data doc-base fast-user-switch-applet - gedit gnome-app-install gnome-applets gnome-applets-data - gnome-control-center gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session - gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-user-guide gnome-utils gthumb - gucharmap language-selector nautilus nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-data - restricted-manager scrollkeeper software-properties-gtk synaptic ubufox - ubuntu-docs update-manager update-notifier zenity + alacarte apturl bug-buddy capplets-data doc-base fast-user-switch-applet + gedit gnome-app-install gnome-applets gnome-applets-data + gnome-control-center gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session + gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-user-guide gnome-utils gthumb + gucharmap language-selector nautilus nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-data + restricted-manager scrollkeeper software-properties-gtk synaptic ubufox + ubuntu-docs update-manager update-notifier zenity So I have to remove update-manager as well ??? gedit ??? gnome This can't be right - I shouldn't be forced to have this package on my system if I don't want it. The only way I can stop this thing is to delete the cron.monthly task - if I was your average Aunt Matilda, I wouldn't have a clue how to do this, I would only experience my hard drive being hammered once a month - as thisthing indexes my hdd for me + as this thing indexes my hdd for me -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
See also bug 363695 for similar issues with xapian. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
On my karmic system, I could not find any cronjobs or large databases related to librarian, so I do not consider it a problem. Scrollkeeper ate my CPU once a week, but librarian/rarian-compat is well-behaved in that matter so far. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I noticed that gnome-terminal in karmic does not depend on scrollkeeper or anything similar. ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
not a fix as rarian is now used which cant be removed for the same reason as scrollkeeper used to be not removable -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
And you would want to do remove Rarian why? Rarian is not Scrollkeeper, nor does it suffer the ills that Scrollkeeper did. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
scrollkeeper has been removed from the development release of Ubuntu and is not being maintained. Further bug fixing is extremely unlikely. ** Changed in: scrollkeeper (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Triaged -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I also find this a pain. And very annoying that one can't remove it without removing huge parts of gnome. Does anyone know what the status of this is now? Will this package be included in Jaunty? -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I just checked on my desktop, and it seems to be not included already in intrepid, nothing in the metapackage ubuntu-desktop depends on it directly or indirectly. I assume it is the same in jaunty. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
What about those of us who do not want to upgrade to Intrepid? I replaced scrollkeeper with rarian - not sure what the consequences are going to be - anybody tried it? -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Thanks, but in Intrepid scrollkeeper is now provided by rarian-compat and no longer installed. Mind testing it on intrepid? ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
alistari, you are free to adapt it :) You can edit the dependencies of each package to not include scrollkeeper - maybe your patches will be accepted by the developers even. Or you can edit the scrollkeeper package to not run it by default. Anyway, it seems like almost all packages use the dh_scrollkeeper hook, so the dependency should be dropped. See also http://lists.debian.org /debian-dpkg/2007/01/msg00047.html for a related discussion. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I think this is the way to go. Every package that currently depends on scrollkeeper needs an update like this one, basically just remove the Depends on scrollkeeper in debian/control.in. ** Attachment added: gnome-terminal_2.23.6-0ubuntu2.debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16672540/gnome-terminal_2.23.6-0ubuntu2.debdiff -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I just heard scrollkeeper is deprecated in intrepid and replaced by rarian. rarian provides a virtual package scrollkeeper and compatibility wrappers for the scrollkeeper commands. Don't know yet if it's better or worse... -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Hallo, it's me again. Eight months after I first registered this bug, I see the developers haven't even yet decided on the importance of it. Well to put my half-pennies worth in, I think this is of fundamental importance. Let's look at Stallmans four freedoms: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy /free-sw.html and in particular Freedom Number One: The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Adapting it to my needs, in this case, involves removing it from cleanly from my computer, which I can't do. Freedom involves having the software running on my computer, which *I* decide, not you , not Ubuntu and not the scrollkeeper developers. I simply don't want something running on my computer which stores metadata specified by the http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/ (Open Source Metadata Framework) as well as certain metadata extracted directly from documents (such as the table of contents). It provides various functionality pertaining to this metadata to help browsers, such as sorting the registered documents or searching the metadata for documents which satisfy a set of criteria. @scrollkeeper_developers: /tinfoilhaton er ... that is *my* browser you're talking about there, isn't it? ... isn't it??? /tinfoilhatoff OK, I´m not just trying to be funny here, I really am interested in finding out what the developers and other interested people think. To my mind, by Stallman's definition, Scrollkeeper is *not* Free Software. In fact this philosophy seems to be running throughout Ubuntu and partially Debian and maybe other distributions too, it's not just scrollkeeper. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Well I upgraded to Hardy, and apart from numerous other problems, there is still this with Scrollkeeper. I didn't try the other fixes shown above yet but did delete the cron jobs from cron.weekly etc. Interestingly, although the weekly cron job is gone, scrollkeeper is still running weekly, there are still log files in /var/log dated AFTER I deleted the cron files!! -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
A reasonably nice way to disable: edit /etc/scrollkeeper.conf Change from OMF_DIR=/usr/share/omf to a non-existant path --- OMF_DIR=/usr/share/omf/NONE --- -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Nice workaround (I edited my config file right away), but the real fix would be to remove the dependency on scrollkeeper for all packages. This is actually what the maintainers of scrollkeeper recommend. From README.Debian: You should NOT depend on scrollkeeper. (At least) these packages violate this wish: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache rdepends scrollkeeper | grep -v rarian scrollkeeper Reverse Depends: nautilus-data gnome-system-monitor gnome-panel-data capplets-data xubuntu-desktop xpenguins-applet ubuntustudio-desktop terminatorx stardict-common scribes lock-keys-applet grdesktop gramps gnotime gnome-device-manager gnome-devel-docs gnome-devel |gnome-core gnome-chess gnochm glunarclock galeon etherape conduit bless anjuta zenity ubuntu-docs ubuntu-desktop synaptic rhythmbox planner nautilus-data libscrollkeeper0 gucharmap gthumb gobuntu-desktop gnome-utils gnome-user-guide gnome-terminal gnome-system-monitor gnome-panel-data gnome-applets-data gedit edubuntu-docs doc-base capplets-data bug-buddy A nice visualization (needs graphviz and apt-rdepends): apt-rdepends -r --dotty scrollkeeper | dot -Tps scrollkeeper-rdeps.ps -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Better way (still not recommended): sudo dpkg --force-all --remove scrollkeeper --purge -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I strongly support this issue. This damn thing just eats resources, energy, ... and the only nice way to disable it is either hacking or removing it's binaries and/or cronjob. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I can confirm this on gutsy as well. Have the exact same as originally posted by Alistair Ireland. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
Just FYI, in Hardy Alpha 4 the scrollkeeper-update accumulates 10 minutes of CPU time on my 1GHz system. Die. -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 164819] Re: Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome
I can confirm this on gutsy (and basically any Debian-based distribution I used in the last 5 years), and I can't remember a single time where I used scrollkeeper or its database (I use the help system so seldom that a slower on-demand indexing would suffice). The only effect I see is a cronjob sometimes eating cpu and I/O, and 20MB used under /var. Ciao Martin ** Changed in: scrollkeeper (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- Can't Remove Scrollkeeper without trashing Gnome https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164819 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
