[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2022-01-20 Thread Péter Prőhle
tags:   added: impish

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2021-12-30 Thread Philipp Albrecht
I'm having a very similar issue. With 21.10

I noticed that the issue goes away, when I change the scale to 100%
(instead of 200%) on the secondary screen.

Main Screen (USB-C): 3440x1440, 100%
Secondary Screen (Built-In): 3840x2160: 200%

I'm having the issue with or without extensions.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2021-05-27 Thread Péter Prőhle
The problem is still there.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2021-02-25 Thread Péter Prőhle
Someone wrote, not to me: "Then log out and in again to verify the bug
still occurs without extensions.".

However my ubuntu 20.10 is in default release state, I added *no*
extension to it (I disbled a few kbd shortcuts, added two kbd shortcuts,
so it is basically in release state).

And I have the same disturbing setting, that

DVI-0 connected primary 2560x1440+0+0 (in the reality this is my
main monitor)

DVI-1 connected 1680x1050+2560+504 (in the reality this is
located as secondary)

and almost everithing arrives to DVI-1, regardless how I started, from
wich termial,

Extremly disturbing, since I do not find any possibility to tell a
program, to wich monitor to arrive.

In addition to this, the terminal and the firefox arrives maximalised,
and the do not know their suggested default size what is larger, thatn
the size of the wrong target, ---

--- since I have 2 monitors, I have to adjust all the window sizes by
hand, as if it was a Windows.

Since 1995, all my programs are started with suggested locations and
sizes, what does not work any longer ...

OK, one thing works, because the main monitor is on the left side:  if I
tell

gnome-terminal --geometry=+0+0

but the

gnome-terminal --geometry=-0+0

it will give a maximalised trash on the wrong monitor, and forgets the
default nom-maximalised size as well.

In addition to this, EACH maximalization and non-maximalisation cycle
SHRINKS the size of the gnome-erminal by one row and one column:  80 ...
79 ... 78 ...

This is an other bug, but I mention here because it might happen the
same problem:  the window size and location subsystem has serious
problems ...

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2021-02-25 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2021-02-25 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: mutter (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-27 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Also affects: mutter via
   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1356
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

** Also affects: mutter (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-27 Thread Damiön la Bagh
As recommended by the Gnome-shell developers a bug upstream with Mutter is 
opened.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1356

** Bug watch added: gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues #1356
   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1356

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-24 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Also I'm happy to use a workaround. I'm just a bit disappointed that devilspie 
no longer works.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-24 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Thank you for your further input Daniel.

The issue is that the stable version of ChromisPOS that I'm using the
source code was destroyed by a commit error.

I'm working together with the developer providing resources to get the
unstable version production ready but that is taking more time than I
can afford to wait as gnome-shell's and Ubuntu's development is
outpacing what the single developer for ChromisPOS can take on.

I'll certainly subscribe to those bugs on remote support. I'll let Zoho
also know about these two remote support bugs as they are also working
on an internal fix to build into their Zoho Assist SAAS solution, maybe
they can assist there too.


> I suggest any software that wants a window A to reliably appear over window B 
> ...

I'd prefer to have no dialog boxes at all popping up and have Window A
modify itself. Then there is no reliance on the Window Manager at all.
:D

Thanks again for thinking along on this issue.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-22 Thread Daniel van Vugt
> This is interesting. When running gnome-shell in Wayland the window
placement seems to be correct. I've been testing it a bit.

I think that's what I was aiming for with:

  gsettings set org.gnome.mutter center-new-windows true

It likely works better in Wayland because that treats each monitor
separately. Whereas Xorg likes to render all monitors as one, so the
middle might be the border between the monitors.

> Unfortunately Wayland doesn't allow for remote desktop access so I
can't help my customers when something goes wrong.

Please subscribe to bug 1696885 about that. It is blocked by bug
1802533.

> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/3011

Excellent, thanks.

> Do you have any recommendations for an alternative window manager

Canonical doesn't support anything other than Gnome Shell now. Though as
you have found even that "support" has its limitations.

I suggest any software that wants a window A to reliably appear over
window B should make sure window A is a dialog parented by B, or that A
is a modal dialog parented by B. So if you can get that small change
made to the POS software then it should work correctly with most window
managers including gnome-shell.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-22 Thread Daniel van Vugt
** Also affects: gnome-shell via
   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/3011
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => New

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-22 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Reported this Upstream under

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/3011

** Bug watch added: gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues #3011
   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/3011

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-22 Thread Damiön la Bagh
This is interesting. When running gnome-shell in Wayland the window
placement seems to be correct. I've been testing it a bit.

Unfortunately Wayland doesn't allow for remote desktop access so I can't
help my customers when something goes wrong.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-22 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Wish me luck, fingers crossed. I'm going to create the issue on Gnome's
bug tracker now.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-22 Thread Damiön la Bagh
@Daniel van Vugt

Thanks for your understanding and advice.

Do you have any recommendations for an alternative window manager that is:
- Officially Supported by Canonical under the support contract
- Touchscreen Friendly
- Secure
- Has a sidebar on the left (the product I sell is designed around the Unity 
design)

Gnome is supposed to be the de-facto standard Linux desktop for most
distributions. I still don't understand why all these regression bugs
are entering Gnome, and the Gnome developers are so hostile to listening
to the users and use cases of their desktop. See the gitlab board you
pointed me to where the dev, on the subject of the on screen keyboard,
just says, nope, I designed it this way, not listening to reason of more
than 30 people and then locks the ticket.

Even you said "If that's true then this is not a bug." in regards to window 
placement.
Which is just mind boggling, of course it's a bug when the window manager 
clearly prevents the end user from using the system.

There also needs to be an easier way to report things upstream. At the
moment everything has to be typed over into a new ticket from Launchpad
to Github. Can't there just be some kind of export ticket to GitHub
markup?

Thanks again for any recommendations on Canonical supported Window
Managers.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Daniel van Vugt
I fear the answer here might be for you to avoid using gnome-shell and
use a more constrained window manager to get the behaviour you want. But
in case I'm wrong, please report the issue to the developers at:

  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues

They might have some more ideas.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
And the cashier side

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
So you can see what the system looks like when installed

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
And before anyone starts anything about freeloading.

I donate several thousand euros per year and a lot of my time to open
source projects.

So, let's not go there.

Once again thank you.

I hope that it's much clearer now what is not working as expected in
Ubuntu 20.04's iteration of Gnome Desktop.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
And here is proof that there are no extensions enabled

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Some more fun, the onscreen keyboard follows the misplaced dialog box to
the non-touchable monitor.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Here is an extra treat so you can see why block Caribou is very
necessary and the gnome onscreen keyboard implementation makes the
system completely unusable.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Here is a photo so you can see that the Center New Window option does
nothing. At least it stopped doing the Easter Egg of putting things
halfway between two monitors that's a plus. :D

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Thanks for have a new look at this

Oh and I forgot to mention this is with the option

Center New Windows turned ON in Gnome Tweak Tool
Which should theoretically do the same as the DCONF edit line, right?

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2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Here is a photo so it's easier to understand what the issue is.


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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-21 Thread Damiön la Bagh
Removing the extensions has the same effect.

Block Caribou 36 is necessary as the Point of Sale system (Open source)
already has all the buttons and keyboard that are necessary for the use
of the Point of Sale system. Yet it contains text entry fields which pop
up the on-screen keyboard. There are more touchscreen applications that
tablets, such as Kiosks and Point of Sale systems.

"gsettings set org.gnome.mutter center-new-windows true" is an easter-
egg joke, it puts the windows halfway between the two screens, then
stacks them on top of each other.

"I think this is probably occurring because the primary display is
occupied by a window already. So any more new windows go to the next
display that has empty space. If that's true then this is not a bug. And
hopefully #3 is good enough."

This is a serious bug as the screens are opposing one another. There are two 
different people with two different information goals looking at each screen.
Both screens are occupied by full screen windows. One is the point of sale 
interface for the cashier and the other is the customer display screen showing 
the products the customer is purchasing.

The expected behavior is to put the window on the same monitor to where
the button to open the new window has been pressed.

I'll see if I can muster up some screenshots to make it more visual as
to what is going on.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-20 Thread Daniel van Vugt
I think this is probably occurring because the primary display is
occupied by a window already. So any more new windows go to the next
display that has empty space. If that's true then this is not a bug. And
hopefully #3 is good enough.

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-20 Thread Daniel van Vugt
As a workaround/fix you might want to try:

  gsettings set org.gnome.mutter center-new-windows true

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[Bug 1888098] Re: Ubuntu 20.04 gnome-shell places windows on second screen when started from primary screen

2020-07-20 Thread Daniel van Vugt
Please remove/disable these extensions:

  'block-caribou...@lxylxy123456.ercli.dev',
  'auto-move-wind...@gnome-shell-extensions.gcampax.github.com'

Then log out and in again to verify the bug still occurs without
extensions.


** Tags added: multimonitor

** Changed in: gnome-shell (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Incomplete

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