[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-17 Thread John Vivirito
yep i re-read it as well, sorry about confusion. I will email someone
about final release of ff-3.0 as im seeing beta 5 relesing this week and
that will be last milestone before RC.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-14 Thread DJ_Peng
Sorry, I meant to say that I thought the email was specific to KDE only

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-14 Thread Gert Kulyk
It is as you thought. The statement about not being a LTS is only valid
for Kubuntu because of the major version change in KDE.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-14 Thread John Vivirito
@DJ_Peng
Hardy will be a LTS, so there had to be made a decision, which version to 
include. A stable but soon outdated version of firefox, or a new version (and 
therefore upstream activly maintained version), that will be finished within 
the next few weeks (and these changes will be made available for hardy, even 
if the final firefox will be released after hardy).

Hardy will not be LTS as stated about a month ago. I dont have email anymore. 
We had unstable firefox in Edgy, as firefox upgrades to beta/stable release it 
will be updated in Hardy as these are security fixes (most of them) final will 
be one for sure.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-14 Thread DJ_Peng
Actually the email I saw about Hardy not being LTS was specifically for
the KDE versions. But if Hardy GNOME isn't LTS it makes even less sense
to put a beta in the final release. (Yes, I know they did it with Edgy
and I had problems with it then, too.) I don't mind betas being in the
repos, but Mozilla (like Ubuntu) is very specific that the testing
versions of Fx3 are not for general use. With it being in the release we
are ignoring their caveat and making people opt out, rather than opt in.
Thus my issue with having any betya software as a default for the task
in the release.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-13 Thread Fred
Yes, I am longing for it.
I need it!

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-13 Thread Gert Kulyk
This bug was fixed in the package firefox-3.0 - 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1, so 
marking as fix released.
@Fred
Do you think I need it is a valid argument for including new packages? :-)

** Changed in: firefox (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Fix Released

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-13 Thread DJ_Peng
Actually why is a beta browser included in Hardy at all? Firefox 3 won't
be final when Hardy ships and every Firefox release announcement has a
bold notice that it is a testing release and isn't designed for all
users. A user can always make the decision to use the betas of Firefox 3
at any point during testing, yet once Hardy goes final users will loose
the right to opt-in to the Firefox 3 beta process. There will still be
changes between beta and gold versions of Firefox 3 and many addons will
not be updated to work with Firefox 3 yet. Ubuntu users may tend to be
techy-types, but there are too many changes in Fx3 to push it on people
while it's still being worked on.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-13 Thread Fred
Gert Kulyk,
Well Firefox 3.0 beta 3 is in the repository.
So I don't see why beta 4 shouldn't.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-13 Thread DJ_Peng
I don't have any qualms about it being in the repos. I just wonder why
it's the default browser when it's still in beta. But I guess I probably
should have opened a new bug for that.

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[Bug 201839] Re: Update to 3.0 beta 4

2008-03-13 Thread Gert Kulyk
@DJ_Peng
Hardy will be a LTS, so there had to be made a decision, which version to 
include. A stable but soon outdated version of firefox, or a new version (and 
therefore upstream activly maintained version), that will be finished within 
the next few weeks (and these changes will be made available for hardy, even if 
the final firefox will be released after hardy). 

So I think, this was the better solution, because a lot of people would
complain about hardy shipping an outdated browser and the trouble with
backporting security-patches to the 2.x line, which will a few months
after 3.0 release no longer be maintained upstream.

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