[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-18 Thread wild_oscar
The it is not a bug, it's a feature seems like a lame excuse for a
poor UI design then.

The interface should be reviewed and this issue resolved. If NM doesn't
control static interfaces, then the command should be renamed to enable
roaming networks and/or capability to disable static networks should be
added.

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread marco.pallotta
Chris, the attach a posted is under the following scenario:
- my ubuntu booted up with wi-fi switch disabled (wi-fi port = eth0)
- my utp connection is up and running (utp port = eth1)
- ifconfig shows
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:13:ce:bf:f7:83  
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
  Interrupt:22 Base address:0xa000 Memory:b0006000-b0006fff 

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:01:4a:ef:1d:8e  
  inet addr:141.250.199.12  Bcast:141.250.199.63  Mask:255.255.255.192
  inet6 addr: fe80::201:4aff:feef:1d8e/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:20224 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:10468 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:29323411 (27.9 MB)  TX bytes:784260 (765.8 KB)

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:1874 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:1874 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:93700 (91.5 KB)  TX bytes:93700 (91.5 KB)


** Attachment added: interfaces
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16053743/interfaces

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread marco.pallotta
Chris, I made some other tests and I have noticed that before I was wrong in 
one aspect:
- at boot (with wi-fi disabled) eth0 doesn't appear if I type ifconfig (only 
eth1 appeared)
- if I disable network with nm-applet the network connection is still active as 
I described before, and only when I re-check the flag, in nm-applet, eth0 
appears in ifconfig.

Then the behavoir and the issue are as described before.

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread Chris Coulson
Network Manager only controls interfaces that are set to 'Roaming' in
System - Administration - Network. Your eth1 connection is not
roaming, as you've given it static settings in your
/etc/network/interfaces file. If you comment out all of the lines
related to eth1, then it will be roaming and controlled by Network
Manager. Could you try that to make sure that is the case? If so, I will
close this bug report, as that is the intended behaviour of Network
Manager.

Thanks

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread marco.pallotta
Chris, what do you mean with Network Manager only controls interfaces that are 
set to 'Roaming' in System - Administration - Network. ?
Through nm-applet I can either assign multiple fixed ip (through profiles) to 
an interface or enable dhcp to it so I think Network Manager (or nm-applet) 
control network interfaces in either situations.
Or do you mean that the option enable networking only refers to roamin 
interfaces? If so, I think this behavoir is misleading. 
At this point it should be better:
- to disable  the above option when a user manually assign a fixed ip 

or

- (better solution for me) to consider to improve the functionality of
nm-applet in order to control also fixed ip interfaces

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread Chris Coulson
That isn't Network Manager that you're using when you set up fixed IP's
and DHCP - that is network-admin (System - Administration - Network),
which is a part of gnome-system-tools.

Once you have disabled 'Roaming' on an interface, an entry is written to
/etc/network/interfaces, and that interface is no longer controlled by
Network Manager (ie, you can'e enable it / disable it using Network
Manager). It becomes controlled by the old 'ifconfig', 'ifup' etc, which
you need to be an adminstrator to use.

This currently provides a way for the administrator to 'lock-down' the
network settings. Once you have disabled roaming, then ordinary users
cannot enable / disable the interface, and cannot change any network
settings.

So, the actual bug here is that Network Manager does not support setting
up static IP's. To set up a static IP, you have to define the interface
in /etc/network/interfaces (using network-admin or hand-editting). A
consequence of doing this is that the interface can no longer be
controlled by Network Manager, so you can't enable / disable the network
via the nm-applet.

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread marco.pallotta
I think that the nm-applet option manual configuration (that run system- 
network utility) brings the user to think that the applet also controls fixed 
ip interfaces (in fact I haven't considered this).
Maybe, at this point, the mistake is to add this option that from one side is 
an help for the user but from the other side is misleading.

However, at this point, I think we can mark this bug as invalid.

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread marco.pallotta
This isn't a true bug but the intended behaviour of Network Manager

** Changed in: network-manager-applet (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Invalid

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-16 Thread Chris Coulson
If it's any consolation, I think NM 0.7 will have the ability to define
and control static interfaces

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[Bug 248617] Re: nm-applet enable networking option issue (Hardy Heron 32bit)

2008-07-15 Thread Chris Coulson
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and help make Ubuntu
better.

Could you please attach your /etc/network/interfaces file to this bug
report, as an uncompressed file.

Thank you

** Changed in: network-manager-applet (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Incomplete

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