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MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if you are
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** Changed in: landscape-client (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Invalid
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Title:
MOTD should not point to https://landscape.canonical.com if
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/ichthux-meta
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This bug was fixed in the package ichthux-meta - 1.0ubuntu12
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* Closes bug for sponsorship (LP: #435554)
* Refreshed dependencies
* Removed libstdc++5 (LP: #432018)
* Removed kmplayer-konq-plugins from desktop
* Removed
** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided = Low
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** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: New = Confirmed
** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
Assignee: (unassigned) = Ralph Janke (txwikinger)
** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed = Triaged
** Changed in: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: Triaged =
Beside what was written, just another aspect to take into consideration.
As Siggy Brentrup pointed in ubuntu-users list, motd may be used for passing
important information from admin to user on multi users systems and thus adding
those kind of links, even in every plain user login, may be
I installed landscape-common after reading it's long description from the main
distribution on my 9.04, still having it on my TODO list for checking
usefulness.
Only after posting to u-users about a new quality of SPAM in my /etc/motd I
learned that this package was the culprit.
Comparing the
Why not, instead of a link to landscape service it self, put a link to
http://www.ubuntu.com/some/page/about/support. On that page, it could be
described how to request support from Canonical, community, Canonical
partners or merge landscape-client with some, in the future to be, other
service.
** Changed in: update-motd
Status: New = Invalid
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ichthux-desktop recommends landscape-client.
** Also affects: ichthux-meta (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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** Also affects: landscape-client
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Also affects: update-motd
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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@Steve: Well, I see the rrdtool text as branding : «this graph is made
with the rrdtool, by tobi oetiker».
Even if, yes, there is no real value added by this text, it doesn't even
suggest me to look at oetiker.ch, where I could ask for services. If
landscape-client said this is lanscape, by
@Nil: I disagree.
I see this as merely haggling over price, to abuse George Bernard Shaw's
classic quote.
To rephrase my understanding of your position: Your suggestion is that
advertising *is* acceptable. But you feel the line should be here - ie
unacceptable for commercial companies.
And
@Steve: on the rrdtool graphs, the message tells us the software used,
and its author; in the lansdcape motd, the message invites me to use a
commercial service. it *is* very different.
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I can't even *find* the advertising in rrdtool.
Which begs the question of how effective it is. :-)
fwiw, it's on *every* graph produced by rrdtool.
rrdtool / tobi oetiker
I'm not aware of any way to disable that string short of code hacks, but
confess it's been about 8+ years since I last
I can't even *find* the advertising in rrdtool.
rrdtool is not installed by default (in Intrepid), so I installed it. I
then went through the tutorial to create a database and a few charts...
nowhere do I see any ads for anything remotely resembling commercial
services, nor links to anyone,
The message is not targeted only to current Landscape customers, so my bug is
invalid.
See previous comment on how to disable that message by configuration.
** Changed in: landscape-client (Ubuntu)
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Scott, is your main issue about Landscape being proprietary? Because
there are precedents for advertising in other programs shipped with
ubuntu, such as rrdtool/mrtg for example. It's the author advertising
his site/project/work. In the landscape case, it's also the author of
the program
Yes. I wasn't aware of those and they aren't (AFAIK) part of the default
install. They particularly aren't presented to me every time I log in to the
system.
Consider if every package that is in the default install produces some kind of
advertising for it's developer and is present to the
I disagree. I think it is a poor precedent to expose advertising for
proprietary products in the default configuration. This should be opt-
in, not opt-out. While this is not terribly intrusive, I think it sets
a poor precedent.
No advertising be default is an easy rule to understand and
Actually, this is controllable via the contents of
/etc/landscape/client.conf:
[sysinfo]
exclude_sysinfo_plugins = LandscapeLink
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I would like a clear policy statement on this. Is it OK if I add links
for paid services I offer in related pacakges in Ubuntu?
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In case anyone is looking for a quick fix/workaround to this that still
leaves landscape-client installed and generating hourly updated info in
their /etc/motd:
Edit the last line of /etc/update-motd.d/50-landscape-sysinfo so that it
reads
/usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo |/bin/grep -v
In my opinion there shouldn't be canonical adverts displayed in a default
ubuntu install.
However if there are going to be adverts, it should be made obvious that they
are for a product, not a free software project. Some users maybe unaware of the
details of the ubuntu/canonical relationship
I think Jeffrey put it well. If this package is installed by default,
then every user logging into any stock Ubuntu server will see the
advertisement. I think the fact that is it text makes it more
problematic, since other kind of commercial advertisements tend to be in
web applications, and
How intrusive is the link? My understanding is that it's a single link,
and is configurable. Would there be better wording to lead folks to the
ability to graph that information?
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The current MOTD printed to the screen on login looks like this (and
is not intrusive at all, in my opinion):
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Linux t61p 2.6.27-4-generic #1 SMP Wed Sep 24 01:29:06 UTC 2008
Software written by me is shipping in Ubuntu, but a link to my
commercial service is not printed in MOTD. See the problem? If
everybody starts spamming up the links to their commercially supported
products, the user will be seeing a lot more adverts. Basically it's a
bad policy, and slight
Landscape was automatically installed on my systems (I've never heard of
it) and I consider its MOTD exhortations to visit
landscape.canonical.com an intrusive form of unwanted commercial
advertising. The message should be gotten rid of in MOTD, or whatever
causes landscape to be installed
That other bug Chris mentions is #268560
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It is an active choice to install landscape client, but as landscape-
client is FLOSS and potentially can be used with other services besides
Canonical, it seems clear that this advertising should not be present.
One solution might be to add an additional update-motd file can be added
via a
Actually, Thierry pointed out on IRC that landscape-client is
Recommended by ubuntu-desktop, which means it will affect even more
people.
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To clarify, I like the advertising in MOTD, but I think there should be
a method via packaging to remove it to accommodate all users. I'm
specifically thinking of users who want to use landscape-sysinfo, but
not with Landscape. The current packaging requires users to modify
configuration files
There's a configuration mechanism for selecting which plugins sysinfo
should use, and each feature of sysinfo is implemented as a plugin,
including the footer which prints the link to landscape.canonical.com.
Unfortunately there is a bug which prevents the configuration from being
read from
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