[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2009-03-03 Thread Steve Langasek
This is as documented as it's going to get for intrepid, now; closing
this bug out.

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   Status: In Progress = Fix Released

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-02 Thread Alexia Death
A note about searching: Theres a better way than find. Locate is very
fast, so locate wacom.fdi  gives a quick answer. The only downside of
locate is that it indexes files on a regular basis and so does not find
files created very recently.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-02 Thread Jose Hevia
Alexia: IT WORKS!!!

Finaly I can use my note taking programs again.

If Anyone is interested in rotating the tablet, that's  my fdi file:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !-- -*- SGML -*- --

deviceinfo version=0.2

  device
match key=info.capabilities contains=input
  match key=info.product contains=Wacom
  merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringwacom/merge
  merge key=input.x11_options.Type type=stringstylus/merge
  merge key=input.x11_options.Rotate type=stringCCW/merge
  /match

  match key=info.product contains=WALTOP
  merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringwacom/merge
  merge key=input.x11_options.Type type=stringstylus/merge
  /match
/match
!-- N-Trig Duosense Electromagnetic Digitizer --
match key=info.product contains=HID 1b96:0001
  match key=info.parent contains=if0
   merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringwacom/merge
   merge key=input.x11_options.Type type=stringstylus/merge
  /match
/match
  /device

/deviceinfo

Loic Martin: No problem with documentation. I searched tablet, not
wacom, you can try and see what you find. Dave didn't understood what a
fdi was, me either. And until very recently hotplug didn't work as
documentation says.

Thank you Alexia and Loic.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Alexia Death
fdi file is a hal policy file that tells hal to tell Xorg about your
tablet you just plugged in. its located at
/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi

You had the X configured in Hardy and you did a dist-upgrade? That means
you have done this before and you had a working X configuration from
there. It should be usable with minimal change. Without knowing what
went wrong its hard to help you. You said you can restore your backup X
conf from command line. From command line you can also see the X log to
know what is wrong. to see run:

tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log

And see the lines at the end of the output marked (EE). They should
point you in the right direction.

Its easy to hose your X with changing a conf file simply because it is a
conf file and because of that, a single tiny mistake can make X unable
to function with it. It has always been the same, hotplug or no hotplug.

To make it clear, the hotplug capacity ONLY kicks in if you plug in your
tablet AFTER you have started X. It does nothing for tabletPC-s and you
wont be bothered by it if your tablet is connected at all times. So you
can have the fdi file that the this bug is about without any
inconvenience.

Theres only one place where having both X conf and the hotplug fdi file
is troublesome, and thats the wacom drivers workaround for hotplug. I
you had the tablet at startup, unpluged and repluged it then now
changing virtual terminals wont restore the full functionality for you
because hotplug grabs the device, you need to restart x with your tablet
already connected to avoid that.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Dave M G
Alexia,

Thank you for taking the time to explain the situation clearly.

I'm relieved to know that the new HAL settings apply to devices that are
added and removed after booting the computer. My Wacom is permanently
attached, so I guess I can safely side step the HAL issues.

Whoever is making documentation might do well to make this clear so that
newbies like myself don't panic. I thought a new, less functional,
regime that I could not avoid was being imposed on me.

As far as fixing it goes...

To make a long story short, instead of editing my xorg.conf to try and
figure out what settings should be commented out and which ones
included, I simply restored a backed up version from about three months
ago.

It seems to work fine.  I am currently enjoyed a working Wacom tablet
again.

With much relief, thank you.

Dave M G

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Jose Hevia
I had the same problem as Dave MG. I know about computers, I program
them, but I the fdi files are not my area of interest, I didn't know
what they meant either. So Alexia, you had been very helpful with me
too(and the people that will read this in the future).

I had an xorg file that worked fine in feisty, but it made my
800x1200(portrait or rotated mode) to display an 800x600 one(error
recovery mode) because X had errors understanding wacom options. I
created a new slim xorg file with dexconf and it worked, but if I try to
include the wacom configuration it makes x to load ErrorRM again.

It seems like if I only include sections Inputdevice it needs a
ServerLayout, an if I include the {Section ServerLayout}of feisty, X
crashes. The serverlayout was also the problem in the initial xconf
file.

Well, I don't like changing general configuration files on ubuntu.
Every time I update the automatic configuration doesn't work(Your XXX
file has changed.Do you want to replace it...).

Now, my tablet hotplugging works, but I simply want to rotate the
tablet, so the aspect ratio of the screen is the same as the tablet, as
I did in feisty. How can I do that without playing xorg files.

With feisty I had the device stylus that I could rotate with
xsetwacom.

Today, with xsetwacom I see:
$$xsetwacom  list
SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad touch

I can't see stylus, or eraser, so I can't rotate it.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Alexia Death
Jose: You can do the copy outlined  in the first post

sudo cp /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom/10-wacom.fdi
/etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-wacom.fdi

And edit /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-wacom.fdi to include your options that
you would usually put in your device section. I used this option once to
force the hotplugged tablet to log verbose error messages.

Basically you need to add as merge statements for options you would
usually put in X like this:

merge key=input.x11_options.Debug type=string11/merge

and thats that...

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Jose Hevia
Alexia: 
Thanks, but I don't see a 10-wacom.fdi in 
/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom

$$ ls /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom

changelog.Debian.gz  copyright

$$ ls /etc/hal/fdi/policy/

preferences.fdi

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Alexia Death
OK, it seems it was moved from there when it was re-enabled, not copied
as I assumed.

That changes the command to:
sudo cp  /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi
/etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-wacom.fdi

Theoreticly you should not need to change the file at
/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi, and editing the
copy is enough, but I have not tested that myself. I learned about that
theory after needing to debug the wacom driver on hotplug...

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-11-01 Thread Loïc Martin
@Jose Hevia
I think that was the old location, now it's enabled by default you should find 
it in /usr/share//hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi

Note : I you can't find it, just go to the root of your filesystem and, in this 
case :
sudo find | grep wacom.fdi 
(which should take a while but you'll have chacked thoroughly ;), just make 
sure you have wacom-tools installed ).

@Dave M G
What's the problem with the documentation at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom ?
It's community maintained, which means if you have any suggestions you can add 
them (just keep the structure of the page organised) or ask at 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6084069 so we can edit the guide 
accordingly.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-31 Thread Dave M G
As a graphics developer and not a technical person, I'm struggling with
the new settings for my Wacom.

It does, as described here, automatically detect the tablet and allow
use of the stylus only, with no options for configuration.

However, this limited functionality is not sufficient for the graphics
that I do with Ubuntu, so I wanted to get my xorg.conf settings back in
action.

I was led to believe that this was possible by the notes on this web page:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom

Option B states that you can configure the tablet using the old
method. But at the same time, it says you risk hosing X, without any
tangible advice on what the causes and possible workarounds for why X
gets hosed and how that might be avoided.

I have discovered that, so far as I can tell, any attempt to modify
xorg.conf, makes X unbootable. I get an error which gives me three
options of reconfigure X, proceed with current settings, or one other
that I can't recall. In any case, no matter what I choose, the screen
flickers and it ends up back at the same choices. The only way I can
regain control of my system is to book into a text mode and restore my
backup of xorg.conf.

This whole situation is very frustrating, given that Wacom tablets have
long been difficult to set up and configure. Now, after years of finally
getting to a point of usability, the situation seems to have been pushed
back to square one.

The note at the top of this page says The only negative side-effect I
see is that it interferes with the set-up of any people who have their
devices already configured in X conf file. And those people are more
than capable of removing the fdi file. Unfortunately, I think that's
over estimating those of us who struggled to configure xorg.conf in the
first place.

I have no idea what an fdi file is, or half of the comments and
instructions on this page mean. I am wary of experimenting because I've
already crashed X by following instructions.

Can someone perhaps break it down into everyday speech as to what,
exactly, a non-expert user does to regain the Wacom use they had in
Hardy?

Thank you for your help.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-30 Thread Steve Langasek
Preliminary release notes entry at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes#Limited%20support%20for%20Wacom%20tablet%20hotplugging.
This could use some improvement, though.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-22 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Oliver Grawert (ogra)

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread Timo Aaltonen
Aaron: Jaunty will likely have a full-fledged configurator for X.

I'm reverting the change since it appears that stylus is what most are
using. The release team will decide if and when it'll go in the archive.

** Changed in: wacom-tools (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Wishlist = Medium
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Timo Aaltonen (tjaalton)
   Target: None = ubuntu-8.10

** Changed in: wacom-tools (Ubuntu)
   Target: ubuntu-8.10 = None

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread JuliusBloch
Hi I tried to copy the .fdi file. For me it is no solution.
I still need an extra xorg.conf file. See attached file.

My notebook is a x41 tablet.

** Attachment added: xorg.conf
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18780562/xorg.conf

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread JuliusBloch
I also want to add that this xorg.conf is not my working xorg.conf from Hardy. 
The xorg.conf from Hardy was not working with wacom support.
I have attached the old xorg.conf which was working well on Hardy.

** Attachment added: xorg.conf.back
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18780614/xorg.conf.back

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread Steve Langasek
these two attachments make it clear to me that getting full tablet
support will require manual futzing in intrepid for /all/ users, whether
upgrading or new installs, and therefore enabling the fdi by default
doesn't hurt us.  accepting, and adding a task to document this in the
release notes.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package wacom-tools - 1:0.8.1.4-0ubuntu3

---
wacom-tools (1:0.8.1.4-0ubuntu3) intrepid; urgency=low

  * debian/rules: Enable the fdi file again. (LP: #282203)

 -- Timo Aaltonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:11:01
+0300

** Changed in: wacom-tools (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread Steve Langasek
** Also affects: ubuntu-release-notes
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-21 Thread Alexia Death
I can see the one weakness of hal based hotplug why it does not work for
tabletPC-s. There is no hotplug event. If I have my tablet connected at
X start I need to replug it and that is not possible for tabletPC-s.

IMHO the only sane solution to allow for full functionality in the
future is to make full use of the X dbus config interface and run a
helper script to load user setup for the wacom both at log-in, checking
for the presence of the device, and when HAL does a device add for the
stylus, that then this helper will remove, and add devices as user wants
them. The HAL setup alone ensures sufficient functionality for GDM and
unconfigured user cases and everybody is happy.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Loïc Martin
The interweb is full of examples for previous Xorg releases - simply
copy/pasting the correct information will hose X, since the InputDevice
has to be added to Section ServerLayout. However, that section isn't
present in Ubuntu's xorg.conf anymore, and when the users will add this
section with only InputDevice parts, X will fail to load.

It took me a few days to get this working, and only half-working - the
keyboard reverted to an American keyboard in X (that would prevent login
in, for example).

OTOH, thanks for pointing the proper location for the fdi file.

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Re: [Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Alexia Death
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Timo Aaltonen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 just copy the file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy (not in /usr/share/hal, that's
 reserved for packages) and be happy.

Ok, place amended,  but issue remains. Its a cryptic file copy for no good
reason.

There simply isn't a way to satisfy
 all users with the current wacom driver. It cannot be fully configured
 with the fdi file, and the interweb is full of examples of how to
 copypaste the correct information to xorg.conf.

A) Its simple to hose your X with that,
B) it is NOT a hotplug conf.


 We won't be changing the
 default anymore for intrepid, so hopefully for Jaunty the driver
 supports proper configuring with HAL.

I would really like to hear the justification for this decision...

--Alexia

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Timo Aaltonen
just copy the file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy (not in /usr/share/hal, that's
reserved for packages) and be happy. There simply isn't a way to satisfy
all users with the current wacom driver. It cannot be fully configured
with the fdi file, and the interweb is full of examples of how to
copypaste the correct information to xorg.conf. We won't be changing the
default anymore for intrepid, so hopefully for Jaunty the driver
supports proper configuring with HAL.

** Changed in: wacom-tools (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist
   Status: New = Triaged

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Loïc Martin
** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: xserver-xorg-input-wacom
  
  The topic was raised at another bugs discussion but it merits its own bug.
  The previous discussion can be found at at the end of
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/260675
  
  The issue is that fdi file that makes hot-plug work for stylus on all
  wacom tablets is no longer installed by default making the devices
  completely nonfunctional without complicated X setup or doing a cryptic
  file copy like this:
  
  sudo cp /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-wacom/10-wacom.fdi
- /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/10-wacom.fdi
+ /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-wacom.fdi
  
  Surely, it is sensible to allow for new users to have hotplug and
  partial functionality over a totally nonfunctional device.
  
  The only negative side-effect I see is that it interferes with the set-
  up of any people who have their devices already configured in X conf
  file. And those people are more than capable of removing the fdi file.
  Or they may, as I have, actually opt to using the device as hot-plug and
  with partial capabilities rather than permanently configured and
  requiring X restart when you did not have it plugged in at X start.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Markus Pfeiffer
@Alexia: I guess the justification for this decision is, that, according
to the release schedule
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule), Intrepid is past
final freeze now. Since this is neither a security problem nor a release
critical bug it's sadly not going to be in 8.10.

While I agree that the workaround as such (copy file from a to b) is
simple, the required knowledge (that the workaround is, in fact, a
simple file copy) is not easy to come by. When I first went looking for
information on how to enable my table in Hardy I found a lot of outdated
(mis-)information. I'm quite convinced that a lot of people will use
said information for Intrepid unless they happen across this bug report.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Alexia Death
Also, if it is enabled by default, the wacom tablets stylus would
simply, out of the box, work with live CD-s allowing anybody simply to
use their tablet as opposed to not getting any reaction from it in
current state for no good reason at all, since it is actually
supported...

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Probably the best thing up this point, is setting up a nice page on
wiki.ubuntu.com, so that people can at least find the workaround easily.

Note that I did not say the solution, but the workaround, because I
think that the approach used to close the issue in the first place was
flawed. That means, for Ubuntu 9.04 there'd better be a proper fix.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Alexia Death
It was enabled for previous betas and it was DISABLED after the freeze.
I am interested in the why behind the decision. I see no downsides to
enabling it by default now that the driver incompatibility issue has
been solved. the decision could have made some sense, if there were
still issues on the driver front but as it is... It is beyond my
comprehension why disable a feature like that... Hotplug for only stylus
is better than no functionality at all... and for some, like me, its
even better than a static X conf without hotplug.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread Loïc Martin
@Matteo Settenvini : wouldn't that be
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom ;) ?

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-20 Thread AaronPeterson
I have a serial wacom device on my tablet pc...
I was mislead by all this fdi stuff and thought that mine might be a USB one 
and all I needed to do was copy that fdi file... 
I ended up copying an xorg.conf from gentoo wiki and had to delete a whole lot 
of font configuration and stuff like that to get it to work.

So, What we can do is provide a program in a package that that lists
known hardware issues / configurations, lets us click the hardware,
opens a text X session

and does the file copy for us / tweaks the xorg.conf,  / does the
riskier hardware probes for that specific hardware that we selected from
the list.

I believe something like this already exists...

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-19 Thread Trond Thorbjørnsen
I agree with Alexia - the hotplug out of the box should be prioritized.

Actually - my Wacom doesn't work at all with my old Hardy setup (where
it works fine):

Oct 19 11:03:26 fanon kernel: [ 2540.344690] usbcore: registered new interface d
river wacom
Oct 19 11:03:26 fanon kernel: [ 2540.348374] wacom: v1.49:USB Wacom Graphire 
and Wacom Intuos tablet driver

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-19 Thread Trond Thorbjørnsen
Actually, it works as in Hardy, I just forgot to comment out some lines
in xorg.conf.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-19 Thread Alexia Death
@Trond Thorbjørnsen -  I was just about to recommend checking your X
conf, because now, that kernel packages are patched, theres no reason
for the static conf to not work.

@Jose Hevia -  the odd behaviour was caused by a missmatch between
kernel and X driver versions. It is now corrected. All you need to do to
get your stylus working is to copy that fdi file as listed in my first
post or to get full function but no hotplug set up your X conf as it was
in hardy.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-19 Thread filsd
I agree with Alexia on this to. I prefer only the stylus working out of
the box instead of nothing. Hopefully this will be the last time we have
this issues... I hope that the Ubuntu 9.04 is much better in this
respect. ;)

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-18 Thread Jose Hevia
I have the same problem.

My wacom sapphire tablet is not working on intrepid, it doesn't work as
a mouse even right now. It made very strange things one week ago with
previous intrepid releases, and it worked very well before with proper
xorg configuration on Hardy.

 A lot of people uses tablets these days and for me is a huge problem.
When intrepid goes out I will solve it using whatever esoteric means as
necessary , but   people is not going to go by it.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-15 Thread Markus Pfeiffer
+1 for enabling the device out-of-the-box. I'll probably reconfigure my
setup for full functionality later on, but I'd rather have partial
functionality directly after installation than none at all.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-13 Thread Alexia Death
Right now, its stuck at hal capabilities and the tablets special 1:n
mapping between the kernel device and X device. One device from kernel
end needs to be presented to X as at least styus and eraser +  some more
devices depending on what model you have. Hal cant do that. there might
be a way to do this through DBUS, but looking at X in ubuntu packages
the X dbus config interface is not enabled at build time, so I could not
test this method.

Otherwise, it might be possible to use the HAL device add signal to
configure the remaining devices through DBUS, but as is, that cant be
done.

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[Bug 282203] Re: Wacom tablet hotplug is no longer enabled by default

2008-10-12 Thread Charlie Jolly
Surely, it is sensible to allow for new users to have hotplug and
partial functionality over a totally nonfunctional device.

I agree with this but can someone explain  why the advanced settings for
tablets can't be used with the hotplug. Restarting X to change settings
seems like the stone age!!!

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