[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-04-04 Thread Matthew East
Closing this bug on the basis of the above comments. ** Changed in: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/341377 You received this bug notification because you are a

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-16 Thread Dougie Richardson
Hi Osama, You have done the same thing yourself - you said google for it instead of used an Internet search engine. That's the point, language changes - nouns often become verbs if their meaning is widely enough understood and there's no well known alternative. -- Confusing on the kernel Linux

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-13 Thread Osama
I reported that 'Linux' is confusing and used wrongly. I suggested (above) 'GNU/Linux' or 'Ubuntu'. I think GNU/Linux is the best choice as this document is a general statement and could be applied on any GNU/Linux operating system, not only Ubuntu. -- Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-13 Thread Phil Bull
Hi Osama, While there is technically an ambiguity between Linux the operating system and Linux the kernel, in practice there is no confusion, for the following reasons: * Most users neither know nor care what a kernel is, and any user documentation is going to be referring to Linux the

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-13 Thread Osama
GNU/Linux isn't confusing, because it is already used in Ubuntu documentations and the term explained in about-ubuntu. It is even used twice in basic-commands, the aim is to use it instead of the incorrect current one. The user who finds the term 'GNU/Linux', will google for it and find out the

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-13 Thread Phil Bull
Hi Osama, I disagree that the term GNU/Linux isn't confusing. Try asking a few non-technical computer users their opinion. We can't rely on users having read about-ubuntu either - most users look at the documentation to find a small snippet of information and then stop reading. Very few read the

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-12 Thread Dougie Richardson
With respect, this is splitting hairs. Bash is GNU but the way it is accessed mightn't be a GNU program at all. I don't think its necessary to explain the kernel at all in the basic commands section - perhaps a reference in the introduction section (which I _think_ there already is), illustrating

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-12 Thread Osama
Bash is a part of GNU project and it isn't the correct alternative always. In number one, the whole operating system is case sensitive, not only Bash (filenames, most of programming language, and so on). In number two, you can see clearly that the whole system is meant so as in number three and

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-12 Thread Dougie Richardson
This might be simple enough for you but it is not clear to me and as you haven't supplied a patch I need to understand what you are reporting before I patch it, otherwise there will be more bug reports. Which terms do you want used in each example? -- Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-11 Thread Dougie Richardson
The word has come to mean the entire operating system and associated packages in much the same way as Hoover has come to mean vacuum cleaner or Coke has come to mean cola. The use of the term Ubuntu in this context is inappropriate as it conveys that Linux is Ubuntu, which is no more correct than

[Bug 341377] Re: Confusing on the kernel Linux and whole system GNU/Linux in basic-commands

2009-03-11 Thread Osama
I would agree with you if Bash isn't a GNU software. Here, we don't explain the 'kernel' *at all*, we explain the GNU shell tool which has no relative to the 'kernel'. I think you can also use the Bash package under any UNIX-like operating system, e.g. BSD. which means it has nothing to do with