[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Changed in: fedora Status: Unknown => Won't Fix ** Changed in: fedora Importance: Unknown => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Changed in: debian Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Changed in: linux-libre Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: linux-libre Importance: Undecided = Critical -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: Vanryu (jpkaniefsky) = Linux Libre Packages (linux-libre) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Bug watch added: Red Hat Bugzilla #817828 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=817828 ** Changed in: fedora Importance: Undecided = Unknown ** Changed in: fedora Status: New = Unknown ** Changed in: fedora Remote watch: None = Red Hat Bugzilla #817828 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
Using the Linux-libre package makes a fully-free install easier, not just an install disk that doest have non-free blobs but will fetch them at install -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Also affects: fedora Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-libre/+bug/370675/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
Linux-Libre kernel installed here, runs with no problems (apart from a couple of warning at the beginning of the startup). To do this, add the following line to your sources (Synaptic - Settings - Repositories - Other software - Add) deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/planet planet main Press reload: Sections - Kernel and modules Select: linux-image-X-libre-planet where is the latest version you see there (currently there is no metapackage which installs the latest version automatically). Search: linux-image Unselect: linux-image-generic (confirm that you want to uninstall linux-generic) linux-image - Note - This will *not* uninstall currently installed non-free kernel, it will simply stop it from updating to newer versions. If for some reason linux-libre will not work for you, you can go back and start with the already installed non-free version and reinstall the metapackages. ** Tags added: blob -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
FYI, nowadays Debian's kernel is already free ( http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 ), so there's no need to have a different package (linux-image-libre) and work is simpler... as soon as Ubuntu's kernel team decides to have this goal, like Debian, to have a 100% free kernel package, so users can decide if they want to install the extra non-free packages or not. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 Title: No easy way to have a fully free install -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Changed in: debian Status: Unknown = New -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
What a fanatism... -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
Thank you for the extremely helpful comment. Would you mind explaining how this bug report is expresses excessive intolerance of opposing views simply for requesting that the Linux-Libre kernel be packaged and available? Do you think this would hurt Ubuntu? It sounds like excluding a completely free packaged based on your prejudices towards free software advocates is fantism, but perhaps not, please explain. 2010/8/6 Дмитрий Divius Танцур divius.ins...@gmail.com What a fanatism... -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters. -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
I also think packaging linux-libre kernel would be good idea. There is no any problems for all curent Ubuntu users, but big goal for peoples who like Ubuntu and freedom. -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
It's not only about freedom. Every single binary blob is a security risk. -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #592047 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592047 ** Changed in: debian Importance: Undecided = Unknown ** Changed in: debian Status: New = Unknown ** Changed in: debian Remote watch: None = Debian Bug tracker #592047 -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
Yes, though the control and security are results of freedom. The four freedoms require transparency which means the software can be trusted. Freedom is practical. Weird, huh? =] 2010/8/6 Conrad N. 370...@bugs.launchpad.net: It's not only about freedom. Every single binary blob is a security risk. -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- .danny ☮♥Ⓐ - http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo Every (in)decision matters. -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Summary changed: - [needs-packaging] Linux Libre kernel + No easy way to have a fully free install ** Description changed: - Linux, the kernel developed and distributed by Linus Torvalds et al, - contains non-Free Software, i.e., software that does not respect your - essential freedoms, and it induces you to install additional non-Free - Software that it doesn't contain. + Contrary to popular belief, the Linux kernel from kernel.org is not free + software. It not only recommends non-free software but also actually + contains it (i.e., software that does not respect your essential + freedoms). Because of this, the default install contains non-free + software. Here are some links with more info and lists of the non-free + software in the kernel: - Linux-libre is a project to maintain and publish 100% Free distributions - of Linux, suitable for use in Free System Distributions, removing - software that is included without source code, with obfuscated or - obscured source code, under non-Free Software licenses, that do not - permit you to change the software so that it does what you wish, and - that induces or requires you to install additional pieces of non-Free - Software. + http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/gnu_linux_and_freedom_nonfree_software_hidden_in_your_linux_distribution + http://libresoft.es/Members/herraiz/blog/linux-is-not-free-software + http://manulix.wikidot.com/kernel-blobs + http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines - For more information: http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux- - libre/index.en + The mainline kernel does not meet the stricter Free System Distribution + Guidelines, nor the Debian Free Software Guidelines, or even the promise + made in Ubuntu's Philosophy. Even if by default, some non-free software + is included or recommended, there should, at the very least, be a + reasonably easy way to choose to have a fully free installation. Ubuntu + even has a free software only option available...which still contains + binary blobs! - URL: http://www.linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/ - License: GPL + http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html + http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines + http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy + + Non-free software has been in the mainline kernel for some time, so + until (and if) that is fixed, the Linux-libre kernel has already done + the work of maintaining of fully free kernel which is used in a number + of free GNU/Linux distros. Linux-libre is a project to maintain and + publish 100% Free distributions of Linux, suitable for use in Free + System Distributions, removing software that is included without source + code, with obfuscated or obscured source code, under non-Free Software + licenses, that do not permit you to change the software so that it does + what you wish, and that induces or requires you to install additional + pieces of non-free software. Ideally, the default kernel should be free, + but otherwise a fully free kernel should be supported. + + http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Description changed: Contrary to popular belief, the Linux kernel from kernel.org is not free software. It not only recommends non-free software but also actually contains it (i.e., software that does not respect your essential freedoms). Because of this, the default install contains non-free software. Here are some links with more info and lists of the non-free software in the kernel: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/gnu_linux_and_freedom_nonfree_software_hidden_in_your_linux_distribution http://libresoft.es/Members/herraiz/blog/linux-is-not-free-software http://manulix.wikidot.com/kernel-blobs http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines The mainline kernel does not meet the stricter Free System Distribution Guidelines, nor the Debian Free Software Guidelines, or even the promise made in Ubuntu's Philosophy. Even if by default, some non-free software is included or recommended, there should, at the very least, be a - reasonably easy way to choose to have a fully free installation. Ubuntu - even has a free software only option available...which still contains - binary blobs! + reasonably easy way to choose to have a fully free installation. + Modifying the existing kernel is another option-- whichever makes more + sense as long as a fully free install is, at the very least, possible. + Ubuntu even has a free software only option available...which still + contains binary blobs! http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy Non-free software has been in the mainline kernel for some time, so until (and if) that is fixed, the Linux-libre kernel has already done the work of maintaining of fully free kernel which is used in a number of free GNU/Linux distros. Linux-libre is a project to maintain and publish 100% Free distributions of Linux, suitable for use in Free System Distributions, removing software that is included without source code, with obfuscated or obscured source code, under non-Free Software licenses, that do not permit you to change the software so that it does what you wish, and that induces or requires you to install additional pieces of non-free software. Ideally, the default kernel should be free, but otherwise a fully free kernel should be supported. http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
** Changed in: linux-libre Assignee: (unassigned) = Linux Libre Packages (linux-libre) -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 370675] Re: No easy way to have a fully free install
Yup, I would like to have 100% free software. -- No easy way to have a fully free install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/370675 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
