[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2012-04-16 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
** Also affects: libreoffice (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Tags added: precise regression-release

** Summary changed:

- OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen
+ OOo/LO F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

** Description changed:

  Title pretty much says it all. Perhaps we could simply patch the
  Keyboard Configuration file?
+ 
+ In Precise, LibreOffice, that replaced OOo, wants Ctrl-Shift-J for fullscreen.
+ $ apt-cache policy libreoffice-writer
+ libreoffice-writer:
+   Installed: 1:3.5.2-2ubuntu1

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-06-28 Thread ubuntolo
Well, it's just an opinion of course, but one ot the first things I've done 
after installing Lucid is restoring the F11 behaviour in OOo (i.e. opening the 
style and format window). I work a lot with OOo on different operating systems, 
and Ubuntu is the only one interpreting F11 in a more abstract and system-wide 
way.
I don't think that changing the default key for such a frequent use 
functionality on such an heavy piece of software (we're not talking about a 
media player, but about a software that people actually use to work) is a good 
idea.
We should start being worried about people already working with Ubuntu and OOo, 
not just about first-time users with no pc experience at all, shouldn't we?

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-04-12 Thread joris
Maybe I missed it, but I cannot find any alternative key mapped for
'Styles and formatting' The Openoffice manual in Lucid is also still
referring to F11.

Styles and formatting  is one of  the most useful keyboard short-cuts
Openoffice has. Is just breaking the F11 shortcut in openoffice really
the right thing to do here?

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-26 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package openoffice.org - 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu2

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openoffice.org (1:3.2.0-4ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low

  * Disable check_for_running_ooo as it appears to not be needed anymore and
causes problems with upgrades. Closes LP: #450569
  * debian/patches/f11-fullscreen.diff: Change OOo to use F11 for fullscreen.
Closes LP: #387562
  * debian/patches/human-icons-add.diff: Update patch to permit icon switching.
Closes LP: #516595
 -- Chris Cheney cche...@ubuntu.com   Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:30:00 -0500

** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-26 Thread David Siegel
This is a good change, and I am counting it as a fixed paper cut.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-26 Thread Anmar Oueja
I just updated to this version of office and pressing F11 still shows
the styles window . Tested it with OOo Writer.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-26 Thread Anmar Oueja
got more updates and it works now. looks good.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-26 Thread Chris Cheney
For users who have modified their keybindings they might have to reset
the F11 keybinding manually since it appears to copy the settings to
their local user config.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-25 Thread Chris Cheney
Apparently changing just the following is not enough to actually make it
do what it says:

accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 xlink:href=.uno:DesignerDialog/

I am looking into what could possibly control this. I am not sure why
the xml files exist if they aren't what are controlling the settings.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-25 Thread Chris Cheney
I found another spot it is set, I imagine this is probably the setting
that is actually being used and all the others are probably just cruft
or something along those lines.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-22 Thread Chris Cheney
** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-10.04 = ubuntu-10.04-beta-2

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2010-03-22 Thread Chris Cheney
Vish,

Yes I am going to try to implement this change in the next upload
sometime in the next week (not 4ubuntu1).

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-12-19 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: openoffice
   Status: In Progress = Won't Fix

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-12-11 Thread Chris Cheney
** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.04

** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Chris Cheney (ccheney)

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-11-10 Thread mac_v
@Chris Cheney / Rick Spencer:
Is this being considered for Lucid?

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Cheney
There is a problem with at least calc:

Calc before:
F3 = [unused]
F11 = Styles and Formatting
F12 = Grouping

Calc after:
F3 = Grouping
F11 = Full screen
F12 = Styles and Formatting

Seems simple right? Except that Shift-F12 is ungroup and shift-F3 is
already used.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Cheney
I also see this:

accel:item accel:code=KEY_F12 accel:shift=true accel:mod1=true 
xlink:href=.uno:RemoveBullets/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F12 accel:shift=true 
xlink:href=.uno:DefaultBullet/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F12 xlink:href=.uno:DefaultNumbering/

And just remapping part of the bullet options to another key isn't
exactly intuitive or helpful to the user.

I am continuing with making the patch to work as originally listed but
it seems it wasn't investigated very well, imho.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Cheney
Oh and to be clear even the F11 keybindings are related before this
change eg:

accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 xlink:href=.uno:DesignerDialog/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 accel:shift=true 
xlink:href=.uno:StyleNewByExample/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 accel:shift=true accel:mod1=true 
xlink:href=.uno:StyleUpdateByExample/
accel:item accel:code=KEY_F11 accel:mod1=true 
xlink:href=.uno:ActivateStyleApply/

So just remapping F11 without the rest is probably going to annoy users
as well, and remapping the whole set of keybindings leads to the other
problem of not having anywhere to remap to...

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread David Siegel
Chris, you are investigating it well now! If it really looks like
OpenOffice cannot easily support F11 for Fullscreen (if it involves all
of the changes you mention) then this is not a paper cut and upstream
should be involved.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Cheney
Ok.

I am not sure upstream will want to do the level of invasive change that
making F11 work would entail... However if Wikipedia is correct in that
Vista/Win7 also uses F11 for Fullscreen we probably could persuade them
to do so. I agree this is not really a papercut with the level of change
needed and also documentation preferrably would also need to be changed
to match up with the new keybindings which would be quite a lot of work.

Chris

** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Chris Cheney (ccheney) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread David Siegel
This should be addressed, but it cannot be considered a paper cut.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
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** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread thing
@ccheney, I investigated along with upstream to the level you reached at
#29 and concluded it was not a Ubuntu paper cut as I stated in #12.
Since I do not regard this a Ubuntu paper cut I will follow-up on the
upstream bug. Sorry for the late reply there.

Regarding #31, even if Vista/Win7 uses F11 for Full Screen (e.g. IE) I
doubt that Word and Excel uses F11 for Full Screen.

FWIW, I don't think different application short cuts on different
platforms is the way to go.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-09 Thread Chris Cheney
It seems Office 2007 doesn't have a way to enter full screen mode from a
keyboard shortcut by default. You have to map it yourself.

http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?a=777

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread Chris Cheney
mac_v / Rick,

OOo aka SO is older than even Gnome 1.x so claiming it was a bad design
decision is unlikely to actually be true.

This is also not as clear cut as some may think due to the fact that OOo
runs on many platforms and has consistent keybindings across them.
Changing it on Ubuntu will probably confuse as many users as it helps.
The keybindings are also localized so it may be more complicated to
change than just a small patch. But I can look into seeing how to change
it.

Chris

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread Timmy Macdonald
Maybe I'm overcomplicating things, but what if there was an option to
change the keyboard shortcuts? Everything minus Ubuntu could have the
defaults be F11=SF, and Ubuntu could have the default be
F11=Fullscreen. I don't have hard numbers, but I'd be willing to bet
that a lot of Ubuntu-users are first-time OO.o users, so they're used to
F11 being  fullscreen. If it bothers older OO.o users, they'll
presumably know how to change the settings.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread Rick Spencer
I assume that platform incompatible features are annoying on other
platforms as well.

Please just fix this in Ubuntu for now, and if it turns out to be a bad
choice, we can roll it back during beta.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread Chris Cheney
Except it wouldn't really be just 'older OO.o users' it would be any
OO.o user that uses more than just Ubuntu, any other Linux, Windows, or
Mac. Eg the Ubuntu user who uses OOo in the uni Windows lab, etc.

(I am beginning to understand the reasoning for the trademark licensing
rules that apparently are going into effect soon, I just don't
particularly like them. Its partly to keep user noticeable divergent
stuff like this from happening.)

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Re: [Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread David Siegel
Well, consider the ratio of users who learn F11 is fullscreen to  
users who have previously learned that OpenOffice uses F11 for Style  
and Formatting. Is it 1:1? 10:1? 1000:1?

If more users expect F11 to invoke fullscreen than expect F11 to open  
Style and Formatting, then this change would do more good than harm.

Would anyone care to conduct a test that randomly asks people to name  
the Fullscreen shortcut or the Style and Formatting shortcut? If more  
people know F11 is Fullscreen, I don't see any good reason not to  
change this.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread Chris Cheney
My personal opinion, which doesn't really matter, is that OOo should
have keybindings that make sense on a per platform basis, like what is
wanted in this case. There are other issues related to keybindings such
as conflicts with gnome unicode direct input, etc. It seems, thought it
may not be the case, that they determined which keybindings worked on on
Windows (or maybe Solaris) and just forced them on the rest of the
platforms.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-08 Thread Chris Cheney
Oh, and if someone wants to make this a broader fix of the keybindings
in general to match Gnome better we may be able to get buyin from the
Go-OO ooo-build distributions to switch to the new keybindings. I think
that includes everyone except for RedHat/Fedora.

Chris

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-05 Thread thing
@mac_v, you misrepresent the concern upstream. The concern is not about
the tasks involved. The concern is about breaking existing user
experience for a very seldomly used functionality.

IMO it is not worth it.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-05 Thread mac_v
@thing , I'v read all those comments too.
But those problems have occurred due to a bad design decision early on in the 
app's development.

So , the real question now is , 
 - Is it alright to leave this mistake as such and make *all* future new users 
to suffer, just to not discomfort the existing users?
 - Or correct this sooner and existing users[already experienced with the app] 
will adjust quicker to the shortcuts , since we are not drastically rearranging 
them.  We are setting the shortcuts more in tune with all apps.

This will adversely affect the new users more than the existing ones , who are 
sure to raise alarm once the change is done but will adjust quicker.
Since we are accustomed to a mistake  , it doesnt justify the mistake.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-05 Thread Rick Spencer
In my mind, this is not complicated. On Ubuntu, F11 is Full Screen. The
fact that Styles and Formatting is bout to this key is annoying to me as
a *heavy* user of OO.

I agree with mac_v, existing users who do not celebrate that change to a
sane and consistent key binding will adjust. If they can't, well,
keybindings remain configurable. If it's a huge mistake we can roll it
back before launch.

Great to see upstream considering this change as well. Reading the
upstream bug reports suggests to me that it would be helpful for us to
try this in Ubuntu. If it works out as well I as I expect it to, that
will be good information for them as they prioritize and plan.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-05 Thread Rick Spencer
Chris, if it's as simple as it seems, could you please patch our
keyboard configuration file? If it's not simple, please advice on how to
fix this. Thanks.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-04 Thread thing
This is not a paper cut because it is not trivial. It might be trivial
to change F11 to Full Screen, but doing so will break existing user
experience for many users.

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-04 Thread mac_v
Quoting thing's suggestion upstream:
Complete suggestion for shortcuts changes in Writer, Calc and Impress/Draw are
as follows:
Writer before:
F4 = [unused]
F11 = Styles and Formatting
F12 = Numbering On/Off
Writer after:
F4 = Numbering On/Off
F11 = Full screen
F12 = Styles and Formatting

Calc before:
F3 = [unused]
F11 = Styles and Formatting
F12 = Grouping
Calc after:
F3 = Grouping
F11 = Full screen
F12 = Styles and Formatting

Impress/Draw before:
F11 = Styles and Formatting
F12 = [unused]
Impress/Draw after:
F11 = [unused]
F12 = Styles and Formatting

thing , These suggestions seem a fairly simple change, 
what was the conclusion of the discussion in upstream Mailing list.
Any links to the ML discussion upstream?

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-04 Thread thing
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discussby=threadfrom=2264078

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-09-04 Thread mac_v
thing, thanks for discussion this upstream. :)

David, this has a milestone assigned to it , what's your opinion ?

Upstream is right to be concerned , this is a huge task for them since
they have to deal will all the different OS and documentations.

But , IMO , we could change this in Ubuntu alone , which would be
simpler.

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 Assignee: (unassigned) = David Siegel (djsiegel)

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-08-12 Thread Michael Rooney
Thing, thanks for the upstream bug, I'll link it and add an Ubuntu task
as wel!

** Changed in: openoffice
   Importance: Undecided = Unknown

** Changed in: openoffice
   Status: New = Unknown

** Changed in: openoffice
 Remote watch: None = OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker #104109

** Also affects: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-08-12 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: openoffice
   Status: Unknown = In Progress

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-08-12 Thread Sinani201
** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 387562] Re: OOo F11 key brings up Style and Formatting instead of Full Screen

2009-08-12 Thread Chris Cheney
Marking as triaged as the bug has been sent upstream.

** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Low

** Changed in: openoffice.org (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

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