[Bug 429311] Re: installing esound requires removing ubuntu-studio-desktop

2009-09-15 Thread Eric Hedekar (stochastic)
** Changed in: ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 429311] Re: installing esound requires removing ubuntu-studio-desktop

2009-09-15 Thread Eric Hedekar (stochastic)
Bug marked as invalid.  Removing the ubuntustudio-desktop package does
not remove the dependent packages, the desktop remains functional.

The current behavior of removing the meta package when a pulse audio (or
other dependency) package is removed is desirable, as otherwise the
package would be re-installed as soon as the ubuntustudio-desktop is
updated.  This would result in a broken package error.

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[Bug 429311] Re: installing esound requires removing ubuntu-studio-desktop

2009-09-14 Thread David Henningsson
Finding a solution to that is probably not easy. Do you suggest any of
the following?

1) Pulseaudio-esound-compat and esound in fact can be running side-by-
side (i e, the conflict is invalid)

2) Pulseaudio (or pulseaudio-esound-compat) should not be in the ubuntu-
studio-desktop

3) That ubuntu-studio-desktop would be able to be installed although the
packages it depends on are not installed? (This will probably require
massive changes to the way Ubuntu handles packages...)

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Incomplete

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[Bug 429311] Re: installing esound requires removing ubuntu-studio-desktop

2009-09-14 Thread Susan Cragin
Number 2, for preference.

I don't know of many applications that need esound compatibility in
pulseaudio.

However, there are many people who kill pulseaudio and who need esound
to run alsa applications running in wine. Or to use Audacity, which is a
popular program.

Alsa / esound is critical for me. I use wine to run speech recognition
software. Wine does not work with pulseaudio, especially in input /
recording mode.

Now, with wine I can use oss instead of alsa, but the sound isn't as
good. I think it's the latency as well as the sound quality.

Using speech recognition, you always need the best-quality sound
possible, the most detail, with the lowest latency. Speech recognition
software is complex, resource-intensive and temperamental.

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[Bug 429311] Re: installing esound requires removing ubuntu-studio-desktop

2009-09-14 Thread David Henningsson
Ok, moving your suggestion to ubuntustudio-meta although I'm not sure
they will agree.

Btw, audacity works with pulse (through alsa) in Jaunty.

** Package changed: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) = ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = New

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[Bug 429311] Re: installing esound requires removing ubuntu-studio-desktop

2009-09-14 Thread Susan Cragin
I should have made myself clearer. There were two options under #2 --
(A) removing pulseaudio from USD, or (B) just removing pulseaudio-
esound-compat.

I would LOVE #A -- that pulseaudio NOT be automatically part of the 
ubuntu-studio-desktop.
I never use pulseaudio, and never will. Not having to kill it every time I turn 
on the computer would be a gift of time to me, and it would make me happy. 
However, I can work around having pulseaudio installed.  
killall pulseaudio, everytime I turn on the computer.  

I NEED #B -- Once I have killed pulseaudio, I must be able to run alsa
and wine effectively together. Right now, installing esound is the only
way to do it. To get esound I must remove pulseaudio-esound-compat.

The first option -- having pulseaudio-esound-compat and esound running
side-by-side, seems confusing to me. But it wouldn't matter to me if the
pulseaudio version were running or not, because I kill pulseaudio. So,
this could be an option, from a developer perspective.

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