[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2014-10-03 Thread Julian Foad
This needs, at least, a warning at log-out time as well.

The new warning at log-in time is better than no warning at all but is
still TOTALLY INSUFFICIENT. Ubuntu deletes the user's data at log-out
time. The user that saved work and logged out may not be the user that
launched the guest session: here, use this computer, I've launched a
guest session for you. Or the user that saves work may leave the
computer logged in, intending to come back to it, maybe knowing that
their work will be lost if they log out or maybe not knowing; and then
their friend comes along and logs out the session, and gets not even a
warning that their friend's data is now being deleted.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2014-10-03 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
@Julian: Please note that this bug is closed. Bug #1270788 is about a
logout warning, so you may want to add your comment to that bug report
too.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2014-01-23 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package lightdm - 1.9.6-0ubuntu1

---
lightdm (1.9.6-0ubuntu1) trusty; urgency=medium

  * New upstream release:
- Support Mir sessions in xlocal seats by starting a unity system compositor
  for each session.
- Add --screen and --fullscreen options to dm-tool add-nested-seat
- Don't try to compile liblightdm-qt if liblightdm-gobject will not be
  compiled.
- Stop greeters warning if sessions directories not present or lightdm.conf
  doesn't exist - this is valid.
- Fix log name for Mir display servers
- Fix double removal of source IDs
  * debian/guest-account:
  * debian/guest-session-auto.sh:
  * debian/lightdm.install:
  * debian/rules:
- Warn users about the temporary nature of a guest session. (LP: #435930)
  * debian/lightdm.install:
  * debian/lightdm.maintscript:
- Move configuration from /etc to /usr/share so dpkg doesn't keep it around.
 -- Robert Ancell robert.anc...@canonical.com   Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:51:29 
+1300

** Changed in: lightdm (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress = Fix Released

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2014-01-21 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/trusty-proposed/lightdm

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2014-01-20 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

** No longer affects: hundredpapercuts

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Re: [Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-12-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Can we do this more systemically than a dialog box? Perhaps some sort
of overlay (similar to the shutdown / restart overlay) on guest login?

As for language:

Temporary Guest Session

All data created during this guest session will be deleted when you
logout or reboot, and settings will be reset to defaults. [Please save
files in /var/guest-data if you would like to access them again
later.][Please create /var/guest-data if you would like to save files
across guest sessions.]

Clearly, use the sentence that's appropriate depending on the existence
of /var/guest-data :)

Thanks,
Mark

On 09/12/13 04:10, Robert Ancell wrote:
 Can design please comment on the wording of the warning. As proposed, it
 is a warning dialog like this:

 Title: 'Warning: Data will be deleted'
 Content: 'Please be aware that this is a guest session. It means that your 
 data will be automatically deleted when you log out, and possible altered 
 settings will be reset.'
 Optional content: 'There is an exception: Files that you save in the folder 
 /var/guest-data will be preserved.'

 The optional content is not shown on a default install (it requires a
 sysadmin to create /var/guest-data).


 ** Also affects: ayatana-design
Importance: Undecided
Status: New

 ** No longer affects: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)


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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-12-08 Thread Robert Ancell
Can design please comment on the wording of the warning. As proposed, it
is a warning dialog like this:

Title: 'Warning: Data will be deleted'
Content: 'Please be aware that this is a guest session. It means that your 
data will be automatically deleted when you log out, and possible altered 
settings will be reset.'
Optional content: 'There is an exception: Files that you save in the folder 
/var/guest-data will be preserved.'

The optional content is not shown on a default install (it requires a
sysadmin to create /var/guest-data).


** Also affects: ayatana-design
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** No longer affects: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-12-06 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/lightdm/startup-dialog

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-12-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
** Changed in: lightdm (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = In Progress

** Changed in: lightdm (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-10-14 Thread Adam Niedling
** Tags added: saucy

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-02-22 Thread Chris Wilson
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-01-19 Thread Shashank VRSN Sabniveesu
** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Shashank VRSN Sabniveesu (shashank16392)

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-01-19 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2013-01-19 19:36, Shashank VRSN Sabniveesu wrote:
 ** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
  Assignee: (unassigned) = Shashank VRSN Sabniveesu (shashank16392)

Hmm.. You marked yourself as an assignee for a package that no longer
exists. If you are about to propose a solution to this bug, you'd better
assign the lightdm task to yourself.

I have an own idea for a fix, so if you get stuck, please let me know.
Maybe we can collaborate.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-01-13 Thread Adam Niedling
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-01-11 Thread Arnau Vàzquez
My mother hit this bug this week when a cousin came home for an afternoon of 
work and the next day... it was all gone!
They called me and I thought: it makes sense, Mac OS guest session also deletes 
everything, maybe they didn't read the warning... but let me check. WHAT? No 
warning anywhere. Hard to defend a design decision like this...

Then I thought: maybe it's because their system is using 11.10, for sure
it must be resolved now and I can defend my beloved Ubuntu. Silly me!
This bug, which is probably ridiculously easy to solve (**2 dialog
boxes**), is opened since 2009, and not only that... in Launchpad it is
considered a nice to have. Left me speechless.

I've been using Ubuntu since 5.04 and I love how it has progressed, it's
so polished now and so friendly *on the surface* for even the most
unexperienced users [ok there's the Unity love/hate thing]. I thought it
had managed to merge the best of the Open Source philosophy  with a
strong user-oriented product vision, and that it would only be a matter
of time that people would see this, maybe with Ubuntu running on their
phones, same as the iPhone brought people to OSX. But I was wrong,
otherwise this would be a critical-level bug and no new distro would
ship without it fixed.

Now you can say: why don't you fix it yourself, this is how OpenSource works, 
etc, etc. But please note:
1) AFAIK some people are paid to work on Ubuntu,
2)  gunnarhj **already solved this bug** in his Forums thread as a comment 
**from 2010** points out. All it takes is a Product Owner / UX manager to say: 
bring it in. But I guess that figure doesn't exist (I thought it was Mark S.) 
and so the user experience for people who don't know what 'sudo' is suffers and 
Ubuntu/Linux remains a niche OS for the geeks.

Best wishes,
Arnau

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2013-01-11 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2013-01-11 12:42, Arnau Vàzquez wrote:
 All it takes is a Product Owner / UX manager to say: bring it in.

Hmm.. The author and maintainer of lightdm, Robert Ancell, already did
that in a sense when blessing this bug by setting the status of the gdm-
guest-session task to Triaged. Hence doing so for the lightdm task.

I do agree that this is an annoying design flaw, and I plan to 'convert'
my code in the tutorial (which now resides at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeGuestSession) to a patch.
Once merged it would at least give us a warning at startup.

** Changed in: lightdm (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-12-21 Thread Joe T
Ah okay.  I figured it would be something like that, but I just thought
I'd check in case :)

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-12-20 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Invalid

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-12-20 Thread Joe T
Hi Gunnar,

What was the reason this was changed to invalid in gdm-guest-session?

Cheers.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-12-20 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2012-12-20 16:16, Joe T wrote:
 What was the reason this was changed to invalid in
 gdm-guest-session?

Simply that gdm-guest-session isn't even included in the Ubuntu archive
any longer.

A few cycles ago the guest session feature was provided by gdm-guest-
session, but now that code is included in lightdm instead, and it's
unlikely that the fix of this bug will be backported to stable releases
with gdm-guest-session.

Only that. I do agree with you that it's important that this design flaw
is fixed soon, whether you consider it to be a wishlist bug or not.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-11-15 Thread Joe T
My brother just lost several hours' worth of work because of this
feature of Ubuntu. Needless to say, the chances of him ever
considering using Ubuntu in the future are now precisely zero. As you
can imagine, he was fairly vocal about what he thought of Ubuntu, and
quite frankly, I couldn't think of anything to say in Ubuntu's defense.

Why would Linux For Human Beings assume that anyone knew about this
behaviour?  I've been using Ubuntu for many years and didn't know about
it.  As it stands, this is nothing less than Ubuntu deleting your files
without asking and without warning.

I can't see any reason why this would be considered anything other than
a bug in Ubuntu's design.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-06-13 Thread Matt Fischer
** Changed in: lightdm (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-04-19 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: lightdm (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2012-04-19 Thread Jakob Unterwurzacher
** Also affects: lightdm (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2011-07-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 667089
   gdm-guest-session should be configurable

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2010-10-26 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 667089 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/667089

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 667089
   gdm-guest-session should be configurable
 * You can subscribe to bug 667089 by following this link: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm-guest-session/+bug/667089/+subscribe

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

2010-09-01 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Please see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1558808

In that tutorial I address the need to inform the guests in advance, but
I also let them know that they actually can save files persistently.
Whether people prefer to keep that latter opportunity 'secret' or not, I
believe that the method described in the tutorial is close to an
implementable solution to this bug.

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files.

2009-10-13 Thread Robert Ancell
** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Wishlist = Medium

** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

** Summary changed:

- Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files.
+ Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files.

2009-10-05 Thread Rick Spencer
** Changed in: gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files.

2009-09-26 Thread Mantas Kriaučiūnas
** Also affects: baltix
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 435930] Re: Guest session does not warn about temporary nature of files.

2009-09-24 Thread Gabe Gorelick
** Package changed: ubuntu = gdm-guest-session (Ubuntu)

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