[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-10-04 Thread Arvind Singh
 Upstart runs all shell scripts with set -e by default

IMHO, Upstart should also set -u by default.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-08-11 Thread James White
Scott, Your doing a great job and appreciate the patch. Ubuntu is a
great OS and I have switched all my PCs and families PCs over and
created two servers with Ubuntu. It is in fact a great OS system.

James

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-23 Thread Thomas Zehetbauer
dear scott, as you failed to see the problem in having a script in
upstart that recursively wipes all file systems when called according to
the man page I would rather not have upstart on my systems. please make
upstart an optional feature and let people stick with the robust sysv
init where a script wiping your server definitely *is* a bug. upstart
has no advantages for me but comes with lots of problems (for me at
least bugs #62751, #416056, and #447747).

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Re: [Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-23 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 17:02 +, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote:

 dear scott, as you failed to see the problem in having a script in
 upstart that recursively wipes all file systems when called according to
 the man page I would rather not have upstart on my systems.
 
I not only fixed the problem with the mountall script, but have kept
this bug open because I consider it a bigger problem that should be
addressed across the board.

If you don't want Upstart on your system, don't use Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL
or OpenSuSE.  Have fun.

Scott
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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-19 Thread Bost
  you don't know this script is dangerous before you
  executed it.
 
 Then you should not execute it.

A single bug in let's say firefox may delete your $HOME. 
Do you study every line of code before you launch it?

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Re: [Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-10 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 13:39 +, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:

  Upstart runs all shell scripts with set -e by default.
 
 So what if the script is *not* run by upstart, but by somebody trying to 
 figure out why things work (or not)?
 If you need to assume that a piece of shell code is executed with -e being 
 set, add a set -e before that piece of code. Don't assume it will be called 
 with sh -e...
 
The syntax of these files is such that they can only be run by Upstart,
unless you copy  paste the shell fragment out and run it directly --
but then you're missing a lot of the set-up that Upstart does for you.

So that's really not recommended ;-)

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Re: [Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-09 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 23:17 +, dedded wrote:

 Is there any possibility that this script, as patched, still fails
 catastrophically if MOUNTPOINT is defined to a non-existent directory,
 or if /tmp doesn't exist?
 
The cd ${MOUNTPOINT} will fail, and the script will exit; that's why
it's written to do that, rather than assume that the mountpoint exists.

Upstart runs all shell scripts with set -e by default

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-09 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
 Upstart runs all shell scripts with set -e by default.

So what if the script is *not* run by upstart, but by somebody trying to figure 
out why things work (or not)?
If you need to assume that a piece of shell code is executed with -e being set, 
add a set -e before that piece of code. Don't assume it will be called with sh 
-e...

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-09 Thread Brian Murray
** Tags added: patch

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-09 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package mountall - 2.11

---
mountall (2.11) lucid; urgency=low

  [ Scott James Remnant ]
  * conf/mounted-*.conf: Add defaults for $MOUNTPOINT just in case somebody
tries to run this by hand.  LP: #557177.

  [ Dustin Kirkland ]
  * conf/mounted-varrun.conf: drop initial motd creation, as this is now
handled entirely dynamically by /etc/update-motd.d/* scripts, with
this part specifically handled by base-files's 00-header,
LP: #516293
 -- Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@ubuntu.com   Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:50:29 -0500

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread dedded
Re: Chris Ladd's comment #20

Is there any possibility that this script, as patched, still fails
catastrophically if MOUNTPOINT is defined to a non-existent directory,
or if /tmp doesn't exist?

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
(The Launchpad flaws that resulted in people thinking this bug report
had just been marked Invalid instead of merely refiled are, in order
of proximity, bug 558822, bug 80902, and bug 76416.)

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Tzury Bar Yochay
from:
http://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=1248952whence=item%3fid%3d1248725 

I have a patch

   if [ -z $MOUNTPOINT ]; then 
echo MOUNTPOINT not defined.  Not deleting your file system.;
exit(1); 
   fi

This patch will be included in Zippy Zebra due out in 2018

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Martin Rehn
Whether or not a fix to upstart (Scott, #10) gets implemented, please
fix mounted-tmp.conf as well (e.g. per Chris, #20). The current version
is way too dangerous to have lying around. AndyOsi (#13) is correct that
such landmines are not to be expected in a *nix system.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
I've submitted a one-line change to make this fail safely in
https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mdz/ubuntu/lucid/mountall/bug-557177

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~mdz/ubuntu/lucid/mountall/bug-557177

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Scott James Remnant
Wow.

You guys need to chill out ;-)

I'm sorry that you got confused that moving the bug from upstart
(Ubuntu) to just upstart involved marking it as _Invalid_ and opening
a new task; I think that's one of Launchpad's more idiotic design flaws
too.

I'm also sorry that I receive literally hundreds (sometimes over a
thousand) of bug comments a day that I have to deal with, so am often a
little bit terse in replying - I have to maintain just about every line
of code between the Ubuntu kernel and the X server and basically the
entire boot system, and that includes all the bugs.  I just don't have
the time to post detailed responses detailing my every thought process!

Rather than ask Mark to personally intervene, perhaps you could ask him
to hire more people to help me out? :-)

Anyway, as should be obvious here if you take a Valium first, I think
that this is something Upstart should deal with itself - it should make
it possible to write tasks and services without needed hundreds of lines
of identical sanity checks in the script for every single one.  One of
my goals is to make it so that the Upstart job format means you only
ever need specify the meat of what you want done, not all of the
associated crap that init scripts used to have.

This functionality is Wishlist, but please don't confuse that with
Low priority.  Wishlist to me means that it's a feature that Upstart
doesn't support but should, rather than a broken existing feature.  (I
close wishlist bugs that I disagree with)

Also please credit me with some intelligence here, I know that this has
been linked from Planet Debian so I should expect flaming idiocy, but I
don't think I have the merit and reputation that I have within Ubuntu
from sitting with a thumb up my arse rather than working to improve the
distribution.

A workaround for mountall was committed *yesterday* before any of you
ever heard about this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-
branches/ubuntu/lucid/mountall/lucid/revision/298 - this sets a default
value for $MOUNTPOINT and thus removes the surprising side-effect for
these scripts.

Now, there's rather a lot of toys on the floor here, if people could
pick them up and put them back in their prams I'd appreciate that - it
looks untidy!

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Scott James Remnant
(it got pointed out to me that this bug was missing the reference to the
mountall package, which has the bug fix, added)

** Also affects: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Triaged

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = High

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Committed

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Scott James Remnant (scott)

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.04

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Simon Huerlimann
@Scott: thank you for the explanation in #24. Those few minutes to write
this comment we're well spent. Did get a wrong impression because of the
marking as invalid, too...

Even though you're paid to work on Ubuntu, I'd like to thank your for
all the ways you've made Ubuntu a better distro;-)

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread paul fox
with all due respect to scott, it wasn't just the -- Invalid that
caused this tempest.  it was the somewhat dismissive sounding 'Sorry,
the only response here is Don't Do That Then', which helped reinforce
the impression that this was a won't fix situation.

but that aside, this thread was at least the second of the day in which
the marking of the (ubuntu) version of a bug invalid caused confusion.
it threw me off in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/94065/comments/6
, even _with_ scott's explanation of what was going on.  if it were
possible to substitute something less terminal sounding than Invalid
as the disposition in cases like this (Reclassified?  Moved? Wrong
'affecting'?), it might help avoid future confusion.  (i realize
there's probably limited control over the nomenclature choices.)

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Matt Zorzin
Mr. Remnant, you have an incredibly condescending attitude and your
comments have ensured that I will seek alternatives to upstart and
Ubuntu in general for my deployments.

Insulting competing websites, insinuating that people are children for
being upset about WIPED FILE SYSTEMS, mocking them etc. is in poor taste
and though I do not doubt your coding skills, I doubt your PR skills.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread Casey Dahlin
@Matt: I lol'd

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Count me in support for sjr here.  It's a thankless task to maintain
software--every fix like this has to be weighed in priority against all
the other bugs people are complaining about, and it seems like the
bugmail never stops--and I know the temptation to respond tersely.  On
the other side, I'd also succumbed to the temptation to escalate to
Slashdot when a bug I care about doesn't seem to be getting enough
attention.  The escalation was in questionable taste in this case: like
it or not, the root user in Unix does have the authority to destroy the
filesystem i he makes an accident.  Be careful when you're root!

I'm glad the immediate bug was fixed--and so quickly!--and I hope that
he wishlist bugs eventually get their attention, too -- both upstart
growing the ability to check for mandatory arguments, and also for
launchpad to distinguish reclassified bugs without confusing unfamiliar
readers by marking them Invalid.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-08 Thread fh
Just to clarify: Neither I nor Thomas escalated this bug to any list -
especially because I never experienced bringing in the trolls helps in
any way. Besides: There are other ubuntu issues that permanently annoy
me again, while I am very certain that I will never again run in the bug
described here ;)

While I have to admit that I was quite pissed by the initial reply, I am
really happy with the result. Not just because of the fast fix, but
because of sjr rethinking the situation and then doing the fix. Most
maintainers and developers tend to stick by their initial solution, so
kudos for that reaction. Thanks.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread brainyron
With all due respect, this is more serious than a Wishlist item.  A
script that can be executed which will destroy a server's filesystem is
a serious problem.  I cannot think of any usage case where it would be
preferable for a script to destroy the entire filesystem. Additionally,
the script name of mounted-tmp would imply to any reasonable person
that this script only affects the tmp directory.  Having it fail to
catch an error resulting in the destruction of the entire filesystem is
simply not acceptable.  This is the kind of thing that makes people look
at linux and say it's not enterprise-ready.  Please reconsider patching
this flaw.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread sam.watkins
I must say I find the response of the maintainer here totally
unacceptable.  This bug should be marked release-critical not wishlist.
The bug-fix should be released to the ubuntu security distributions.
What is the point of protecting your system from outside attacks when
the system itself will attack you?

What is the point of screwing around changing priorities and importance
here on launchpad, when you could easily fix the script in 30 seconds?

I don't know anything else about Mr. Remnant, if he is just having a bad
day, or whether he is generally a bad maintainer.

Being a maintainer does not give you the right to be a BOFH - you have a
duty to do a good job and respect valid bug reports.  As this fault
caused extreme destruction to the system of at least one user, you
should consider it an extremely serious bug.  I do not recall a more
serious bug report.  I don't care that much if X won't start once in a
while, but I care a whole lot if my whole system gets erased when I run
a program without arguments.

This is an init script that any sysadmin might run, expecting it to do
something normal.  It is not okay for it to trash the filesystem.  Even
the infamously dangerous rm and rsync commands do not trash your
entire filesystem when run without arguments.

If Canonical had an email address to complain about a maintainer, I
would be complaining right now.  (and will do so if I find out about
such an address in future).

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread AndyOsi
The maintainer here is evidently hasn't a clue about anything. I'm no
veteran but I've worked with several varieties of UNIX OSes throughout
the years and NONE of them have ever had a plain executable destroy a
filesystem without corresponding arguments. The user has no idea of when
an executable is to be used by an application or by the end user
(because all executables are user-runnable, duh), and all systems allow
the usage of such since many tasks REQUIRE that you get down and dirty
into system internals.

This behavior is inexcusable and I cannot consider Ubuntu to be a
serious server OS if it doesn't have decent guidelines for the behavior
of its system maintenance executabes.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread MarkM
From: http://www.ubuntu.com/education

Above all, Ubuntu is set apart from other operating systems by its
unwavering focus on simplicity and ease of use. Ubuntu's motto is Linux
for Human Beings and every development decision and application has
that goal in mind.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread Zachary Uram
EPIC FAIL! hahaha

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread brainyron
If we can't get anything more than a dismissive attitude from Mr.
Remnant, Mark Shuttleworth might care about this bug.  Contact details
are available on his blog at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/contact-
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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread Bjorn Tipling
Scott: in case you are wondering why abuse is suddenly being heaped on
you, it's because the moral outrage brigade from Reddit and Hacker News
have come to exercise their moral outrage on something that has never
touched them, will never touch them, have no responsibility over and nor
desire to help out in any way shape or form other than to attack you.
Some people think a  comment box and a submit button are a license to
say whatever's on their mind whenever they want.

Reddit/Hacker News types: hey, you guys see a downvote button anywhere?
No? Hrm, maybe you've gotten lost and need to find your way home and let
the guy do his job.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread brainyron
Actually Bjorn, I know about this bug through Microsoft employees
throwing it in my face.  If you think Microsoft won't use this against
Ubuntu (and/or Linux in general) you've got another thing coming.  This
is a bug that affects every Ubuntu user and system administrator out
there.  Being dismissive about a flaw which causes data loss is only
going to further the anti-linux cause.  I would be happy to let the guy
do his job if he acknowledged that he was going to do it.  Right now, I
see the maintainer marking this as Invalid and Wishlist.  If someone
takes responsibility  for fixing it, and acknowledges the seriousness of
the problem, i'm done here.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread Edwin Wong
Could people please read all the comments before judging so quickly?  I
was thinking the same thing at first, but if you read message #10 he
rethinks his position and marks it to be fixed.  I would be more likely
myself to mark it as critical rather than wishlist, but the maintainer
has acknowledged the problem and it will get fixed, no need to jump all
over him now.

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[Bug 557177] Re: init: support mandatory arguments, or prevent starting of tasks without any arguments

2010-04-07 Thread Chris Ladd
Here is a patch to mounted-tmp.conf (part of the 'mountall' package)
that will set a sane default if $MOUNTPOINT isn't defined.

** Patch added: mounted-tmp.conf.patch
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43406743/mounted-tmp.conf.patch

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