How many people would set that? Each option doubles the number of code
paths that need testing if we want to put out a quality result. If only
1% of people would set that option (and gconf options are used much less
often than that) it's not worth it unless you are a maintainer of the
code
Well I'm willing to bet that there were more people that thought this a
feature than a bug but no polls were taken on it. I certainly don't see
where the bug is here or even how this bug should have ever been taken
seriously. Amazing. Where is the bug? I just deeply don't understand
that, but
There are at least as many people that think this fix is a bug itself:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/564749
Let me express my logic here:
1. Button is too easy to hit.
Ok, why is this a bug? The only possible reason I could think of is
that it's too easy to hit
Personally speaking, I cannot think of any application that will destroy
data if you accidentally hit the close button. They will either prompt you
whether you wish to save first (OpenOffice, Gimp, Gedit, Evolution, the scan
app, ...) or they will be able to resume from where you left (Firefox,
I, as well as you, know that. . . so my question to the original
submitter would be, what is the problem with easy to close? Another
issue is, if not for close, what are the left most and top most sides
and the corner for? Resizing? Well, that wouldn't b useful if the
window is maximized, and
For me the problem isn't too easy to close.
If I press the close button I expect the window to close. But if I press
an area near to the close button which looks like part of the
application bar I don't expect the application to close, I expect it to
do whatever clicking on the application bar
Why would you click above or to the side of the close button on a maximized
window, if not by mistake? What would you expect to happen in that case?
2010/7/23 David Stansby dstan...@gmail.com
For me the problem isn't too easy to close.
If I press the close button I expect the window to
I wouldn't in that case, but I would when my window wasn't maximized,
and it wouldn't really make much sense to have different behavior when
the window was maximized
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Of course it makes sense to have different behavior when the window is
maximized. The use case is completely different.
Anyway, this is not a forum so I'm bailing out.
2010/7/23 David Stansby dstan...@gmail.com
I wouldn't in that case, but I would when my window wasn't maximized,
and it
On 21/07/10 23:29, inane wrote:
Ok, I'd like to chime in here a moment, this whole not being able to
throw my mouse into the corner is amazing asinine, this is a behavior
that I have come to know and love for YEARS now with GNOME, and it's
gone without even the option to set it back.
I
Hi Mark,
I'd just like the option to set it back, that is my only problem. I
know I'm not the only one who likes the panel only on the bottom.
To give you a little information on my situation, I have a 30 monitor
that's 2560 x 1600, so using two panels doesn't make sense for me, the
default top
BTW Mark, I'm seriously your biggest fan, ever since I first heard of
you back in 2004! I LOVE my Ubuntu!
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Thanks kind of you and appreciated. On the subject of options, though, I
would urge you to think through the full cost of adding an option. We
discussed it on the Ayatana list for another case where someone wanted
an option, check out
I am afraid you are slightly mistaken. In the default configuration, you
used to be able to throw the mouse to the right edge of the screen and only
aim vertically for the close button. While this is more difficult than
throwing the mouse to the corner, it is significantly easier than aiming a
I would certainly only ask for a gconf option.
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Take note of the Bug #564749 too.
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Thank you for the link, riu; perhaps Bug #564749 would be a better forum
for discussion of this issue, despite aversion to a chain of yes, no,
yes, no bug reports. Dylan, how do you feel about that?
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That looks good :)
The specific thing I was concerned about here is fixed, but my
attachment to this is just that I think it shouldn't surprise people.
The way the buttons are drawn should correspond directly with how they
are interacted with. (Handy oversized clicking areas are nice, but they
Ok, I'd like to chime in here a moment, this whole not being able to
throw my mouse into the corner is amazing asinine, this is a behavior
that I have come to know and love for YEARS now with GNOME, and it's
gone without even the option to set it back. Sure there are some themes
that still enable
You could also just as well throw the wmctrl commands in the shortcut
itself, I can't remember why I didn't do this in the first place. . . I
think it's because I used them between different desktops, anyway here
are the shortcut files, you still have to install wmctrl though.
** Attachment
I think the fact that this bug affected so few people and that it was
never brought up before goes to show that it was never a bug in the
first place, it was an annoyance for some people but the fix was a
full blown disaster for many more. I don't like having to put close
buttons on my panel to
Yes, the original bug was fixed in Lucid. We are now discussing Bug
#560118, because this was deemed the appropriate place to do so.
Some people seem to be very annoyed by it. For example:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1515211 .
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As far as I can tell the original bug has been fixed. Can anyone else
confirm this?
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Hi everyone, just another comment. The strange behavior you are
talking about is based on a usability fundamental.
Wikipedia (link below) explains: Edges and corners of the computer display
(e.g., Start button in Microsoft Windows and the menus and Dock of Mac OS X)
are particularly easy to
@Steve Langasek
Thanks for the link, but the guide on that site is for simply moving the
window controls back to the right, not extending the clickable range of
the close button.
It appears that certain themes still retain their old behavior, so this
may be resolved through modifying a theme to
@fubarbundy
Absolutely correct on all points. Even if this is a design decision, not
providing any way to return to the standard behavior is not only
frustrating, but lacking the spirit of the Linux and Ubuntu projects.
I don't think I've ever been more worried about the future of Ubuntu
then I
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 06:08:43PM -, Tammer Ibrahim wrote:
/rant. About the bug, a gconf setting would be a real fix.
There is a gconf setting. You could have saved yourself a rant and just
asked for it. :)
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/quick-and-easy-title-bar-button-side-
This has screwed easily targetable corner buttons for everyone, not just
Ubuntu theme users.
If I have a maximised window and no title bar, I can no longer throw my
mouse to the corner and click to quickly close a window; I now have to
aim at a TINY target. This is even more frustrating when
@fubarbundy
I totally agree with You, on all the three points, totally.
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@Kenneth Wimer: could you explain the meaning of that tag, please?
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One possible compromise is to enable infinite width only for maximized
windows. This is very useful for us with touchpads.
Attached patch implements infinite width and height for maximized
windows.
** Patch added: Implement infinite width/height for maximized windows.
On 10/04/10 21:29, Dylan McCall wrote:
More likely, in my view: The human theme has a very visible prelight for
the close button. The Ambience theme does not; there is really no way to
tell whether you are hovering over (or even clicking) the button unless
you're a pixel counter :b
Otto,
In the human theme, the buttons was much closer to the edge. I think
this reduced the number of people who noticed the bug.
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More likely, in my view: The human theme has a very visible prelight for
the close button. The Ambience theme does not; there is really no way to
tell whether you are hovering over (or even clicking) the button unless
you're a pixel counter :b
Thus, one could have the pointer positioned at the
Sorry for submitting Bug #560118; I didn't realise that this issue was
still open for discussion, because it had been marked 'Fix Released'.
My views concur with those of Lucazade. Having to navigate to the close
button with my touchpad is driving me up the wall.
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I can't close anymore a maximized window just left-clicking in the top right
corner.
(I don't have a top panel and I don't use new themes)
This a great regression in usability.. make this patch theme-dependent please!
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This wasn't a bug with the human theme even though its close button has
an infinite width why is it considered one with the light themes?
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With the newest updates and light-themes version 1.6.3 I can't confirm
it that it happens to me. I never noticed this bug, but maybe somebodies
haves... it's worth for investigate it.
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scholli: this is only for maximized windows.
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I can confirm the bug (only for maximised windows).
** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu)
Status: New = In Progress
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The outer most button in any theme exhibits this behaviour with
maximised windows. I tested it by moving the buttons in 100px, result:
100px of click-able close button.
** Also affects: metacity (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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http://paste.ubuntu.com/411081/ shows that this is intended behaviour
from metacity.
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We can work around this in the theme by moving the buttons to the left
edge. That would detract from the intended design.
@Didier: would it be possible to fix this in metacity in time for Lucid?
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@Kenneth: right, that should be easy now that I narrowed to the code used for
that.
Now, do we want that? (I suspect this was done for people activating
accessibility layer with gluing border and maybe we can have side effect. As
you told, either that or moving the buttons to the left edge.
On 08/04/10 15:43, Kenneth Wimer wrote:
We can work around this in the theme by moving the buttons to the left
edge. That would detract from the intended design.
No, that's not a good solution. I would specifically request that we
have:
- dead (draggable) space to the left of the close
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu)
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metacity 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu1 contains a patch fixing that behavior and
some issues with button layout presentation.
It's waiting for beta2 unfreeze and will be available then.
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu)
Status: In Progress = Fix Committed
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I'm not seeing this effect at all, but I'm then again I'm using
13_better_support_for_button_layout.patch. :)
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