[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-12-03 Thread Jean-Baptiste Lallement
** Tags added: verification-done ** Tags removed: verification-needed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 Title: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-12-03 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package etherboot - 5.4.4-1ubuntu1.2 --- etherboot (5.4.4-1ubuntu1.2) lucid-proposed; urgency=low * debian/rules: fix the installation directory of the kvm-pxe roms to /usr/share/qemu, rather than /usr/share/kvm, LP: #570870 -- Dustin Kirkland

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-12-02 Thread James Page
-proposed works for me; tested using the following commands on a lucid server that I was having exactly this issue with. apt-get install kvm kvm-pxe Also tried installing kvm-pxe before kvm and that worked fine as well. Packages where purged prior to testing using the following command:

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-09-18 Thread mahmoh
** Project changed: manzanita = airwall ** Changed in: airwall Status: Confirmed = Invalid ** Changed in: airwall Assignee: Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) = mahmoh (mahmoh) ** Changed in: airwall Assignee: mahmoh (mahmoh) = (unassigned) -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-09-17 Thread mahmoh
** Also affects: manzanita Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: manzanita Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: manzanita Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: manzanita Assignee: (unassigned) = Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) -- pxe boot doesn't work

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-09-01 Thread Martin Pitt
Accepted etherboot into lucid-proposed, the package will build now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance! ** Tags added: verification-needed

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-25 Thread Martin Pitt
Version 5.4.4-1ubuntu1.1 had already been in lucid-proposed, and removed later on. So it can't be accepted again, you have to reupload with a higher version number. Thanks! -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-25 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Uploaded to lucid-proposed again. Hopefully it works for you, and makes it into lucid-updates. This will be my last post on this bug. I've been trying to have this fixed since April 27, 2010, and will be spending no more time on it, as of now. ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Lucid)

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-20 Thread Serge Hallyn
** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Assignee: Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) = Serge Hallyn (serge-hallyn) -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-20 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Uploaded the patch from comment #5 to lucid-proposed. It should build soon, and hopefully SRU team will accept it. And then you can test it. I'm doing the same for Maverick now ... ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Lucid) Assignee: Serge Hallyn (serge-hallyn) = Dustin Kirkland (kirkland)

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-20 Thread Dustin Kirkland
** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: Confirmed = Fix Committed ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: Triaged = Fix Committed -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-20 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package etherboot - 5.4.4-1ubuntu2 --- etherboot (5.4.4-1ubuntu2) maverick; urgency=low * debian/rules: fix the installation directory of the kvm-pxe roms to /usr/share/qemu, rather than /usr/share/kvm, LP: #570870 -- Dustin Kirkland

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-20 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/etherboot -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-20 Thread StefanPotyra
Thanks a lot, Serge and Dustin! -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-19 Thread Serge Hallyn
Hey Dustin, re-assigning this to just to make sure you see my question in #36. I'll go ahead and do a new patch and propose for merge, but want to make sure I'm not missing anything else. Did you only switch from your first proposed fix to the symlink one bc it *seemed* like a better idea, or

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-18 Thread StefanPotyra
targetting to beta. Please get the fix in prior to it so that we can weed out any negative effects (if there are any). ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.10-beta -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread rfehren
Serge == Serge Hallyn 570...@bugs.launchpad.net writes: Serge Rfehren: As that is a different issue, please open a new bug Serge against etherboot with more details. Well, I can surely do that. However, this problem was already mentioned in this bug by pingou67 on 2010-04-27. So why

Re: [Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting rfehren (r...@q-leap.de): Serge == Serge Hallyn 570...@bugs.launchpad.net writes: Serge Rfehren: As that is a different issue, please open a new bug Serge against etherboot with more details. Well, I can surely do that. However, this problem was already mentioned in this

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread Serge Hallyn
Steve, thanks for the clarification. My understanding (from comment #22 and #23) was that Dustin's 570870.patch did NOT have regressions. But then #21 is quite confusing so I may have misunderstood. I will do a bunch more testing in VMs with karmic-maverick as soon as I'm able. -- pxe boot

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread rfehren
New bug report opened concerning the broken e1000 ROM in kvm-pxe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/617316 -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. --

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread StefanPotyra
Serge, let me restate it here from the merge proposal: 570870.patch can not work (for lucid at least, haven't looked at the maverick package), since qemu-kvm contains /usr/share/kvm and /usr/share/qemu-kvm as symlinks to the also contained /usr/share/qemu directory. -- pxe boot doesn't work with

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread StefanPotyra
After having looked at lucid's and maverick's qemu-kvm source package, I'd suggest to simply move the roms from /usr/share/kvm to /usr/share/qemu, as Dustin originally proposed in comment #5. A cleaner approach might be to follow Debian in this regard, and not have the etherboot package install

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-13 Thread Serge Hallyn
Dustin, was there any specific reason not to go with your original patch, putting the roms only in /usr/share/qemu and not in /usr/share/kvm/? The other alternative of course is to simply do a check for whether qemu and kvm already exist as symlinks to each other, but if nothing is checking

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-12 Thread rfehren
Well, this is not the problem I've been talking about. The actual ROM file for e1000 (pxe-e1000.bin) is broken, and doesn't allow booting over PXE (Searching for server (DHCP)No IP address see #3). -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-12 Thread Serge Hallyn
Rfehren: As that is a different issue, please open a new bug against etherboot with more details. Please don't interpret that as not being appreciative of the report, because we are - but mixing new issues into this bug will confuse (block) the SRU process. Thanks much! -- pxe boot doesn't

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-12 Thread Serge Hallyn
Hi Martin, I'm confused - is this bug just waiting for someone to target it at maverick (and subscribe ubuntu-release, since maverick just entered freeze)? The same patch which Dustin had posted against lucid-proposed does apply against the maverick package. -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-12 Thread Serge Hallyn
** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Serge, Martin's comment was: I removed the lucid-proposed package again. This wasn't fixed in maverick yet, and there is a reported regression. So what it's waiting for is for someone to provide a regression-free fix for the package and upload it to both maverick and lucid-proposed. There

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-12 Thread Steve Langasek
** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-11 Thread rfehren
Why is there still no fix for the broken pxe-e1000.bin in lucid kvm-pxe? The Debian unstable ROM (e1000-82540em.rom) in etherboot- qemu_5.4.4-6_all.deb works. And the fix is decribed in the fedora thread mentioned above. -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-11 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Re-assigning to Serge. I've taken a swipe at fixing this. It's worked for me and some people. And others have complained about it. I can't spend much more time on it, and Serge is picking up maintenance of the kvm packages. Serge, poke me if you need some help here. The solution should be

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-08-04 Thread papukaija
** Tags added: lucid maverick patch -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Pitt
I removed the lucid-proposed package again. This wasn't fixed in maverick yet, and there is a reported regression. ** Also affects: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Importance: Low Assignee: Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) Status: Fix Committed ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Lucid)

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-07-28 Thread Martin Pitt
** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: Fix Committed = Triaged -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-07-27 Thread Dave Walker
Nominating for Maverick, as it seems the issue is likely to exist there. Is there any update on verification for Lucid? -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-07-13 Thread glance
I can confirm that this bugfix does the trick for kvm-pxe. One funny/strange thing is that it accedently worked on some machines for me, and didn't work on some, because qemu-kvm was installed before kvm-pxe and thus /usr/share/kvm was already a symlink to qemu. -- pxe boot doesn't work with

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-07-13 Thread glance
Sorry. My last comment was a bit to hasty. When i have qemu-kvm package installed already, /usr/share/kvm is a symlink to /usr/share/qemu , and when kvm-pxe tries to add a file into both of those directories it conflicts with itself. the working patch is the one named 570870.debdiff from Dustin

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-06-01 Thread Martin Pitt
Actiu, since you did not previously comment here, are you sure that you have the same bug? pingou67 or anyone else who is affected, can you please test the proposed update? -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-06-01 Thread Actiu informatica
I'm sorry because I install diverse computers each week, and I found this bug on a system already released. I haven't now the opportunity to check the question again. -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-05-12 Thread Actiu informatica
This update didn't work for me today: sudo aptitude install etherboot/lucid-proposed -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-05-05 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/lucid-proposed/etherboot -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-05-04 Thread sam tygier
is this update causing Bug #574524 ? -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-05-03 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Uploaded to proposed. Used a cleaner symlink method. Updated debdiff attached for the curious. Otherwise, please test the package once it's accepted to -proposed. ** Patch added: 570870.debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/47545431/570870.debdiff ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu Lucid)

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-05-03 Thread Martin Pitt
Accepted etherboot into lucid-proposed, the package will build now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance! ** Tags added: verification-needed

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Steve, thanks. Agreed, and I don't think it's release-critical. Ubuntu-SRU, can I get an ACK to upload this to lucid-proposed for an SRU? -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread Martin Pitt
Looks fine, thanks! Please upload to lucid-proposed with non-PPA version number. -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread Craig Ringer
A safer way to tackle this that will avoid breaking things and permit software that's come to expect things to live where kvm-pxe used to put them is to just install some suitable symlinks. See attached patch. ** Patch added: etherboot-pxe-firmware-paths.diff

Re: [Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread Dustin Kirkland
True. This could be handled with symlinks. -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread pingou67
bug 472485 seems a dupiicate of this bug (at least the point 1: wrong directory for rom images), it is marked fix released while it does not seem the case -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread pingou67
for the second point (pxe rom for e1000 buggy with No IP address), it seems there is the same bug on the redhat bugtracker that solves it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=494541 and the solution (494541 is a duplicate of 507391) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507391 **

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-28 Thread pingou67
** Description changed: Binary package hint: qemu-kvm It seems pxe boot with kvm doesn't work in lucid. When I try to boot with pxe I have this message : Starting SeaBios (version 0.5.1-20100120_010601-rothera) No bootable device. - - It works well in karmic, it seems the bios

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread pingou67
** Summary changed: - pxe boot doesn't work + pxe boot doesn't work with kvm ** Description changed: Binary package hint: qemu-kvm - It seems pxe boot doesn't work in lucid. When I try to boot with pxe I - have this message : + It seems pxe boot with kvm doesn't work in lucid. When I try

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Do you have the kvm-pxe package installed? It's listed in qemu-kvm's Suggests. ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread pingou67
yes, kvm-pxe is installed, pxe boot works before the upgrade of this server -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. --

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread pingou67
It works again, but not out of the box It seems the kvm-pxe package install the rom in the wrong directory : /usr/share/kvm and qemu-kvm seems to search rom images in /usr/share/qemu I copied /usr/share/kvm/pxe-e1000.bin to /usr/share/qemu/pxe-e1000.bin After that, I have another error message

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Transferring to the etherboot package. ** Package changed: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) = etherboot (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = In Progress ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Steve Langasek
Dustin, The motu-release team has been integrated into the ubuntu-release team, as described at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel- announce/2010-March/000685.html. Please subscribe ubuntu-release to freeze exception bugs, not motu-release. Looking at the diff, I don't think

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread pingou67
** Summary changed: - pxe boot doesn't work + pxe boot doesn't work with kvm ** Description changed: Binary package hint: qemu-kvm - It seems pxe boot doesn't work in lucid. When I try to boot with pxe I - have this message : + It seems pxe boot with kvm doesn't work in lucid. When I try

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Do you have the kvm-pxe package installed? It's listed in qemu-kvm's Suggests. ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread pingou67
yes, kvm-pxe is installed, pxe boot works before the upgrade of this server -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread pingou67
It works again, but not out of the box It seems the kvm-pxe package install the rom in the wrong directory : /usr/share/kvm and qemu-kvm seems to search rom images in /usr/share/qemu I copied /usr/share/kvm/pxe-e1000.bin to /usr/share/qemu/pxe-e1000.bin After that, I have another error message

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Transferring to the etherboot package. ** Package changed: qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) = etherboot (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = In Progress ** Changed in: etherboot (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Test package uploaded to the ~ubuntu-virt team's PPA. Debdiff attached. Please consider for SRU, MOTU team.?field.comment=Test package uploaded to the ~ubuntu-virt team's PPA. Debdiff attached. Please consider for SRU, MOTU team. ** Patch added: 570870.debdiff

[Bug 570870] Re: pxe boot doesn't work with kvm

2010-04-27 Thread Dustin Kirkland
Motu-release- Please clarify... Should I upload this to lucid, or lucid-proposed? -- pxe boot doesn't work with kvm https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570870 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list