[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
** Changed in: empathy Status: Confirmed => Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 Title: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/571822/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
@Shahar I do not know what Windows MSN is using but Pidgin is open-source and is successful at sending this flag. I'm no developer but it seems to me this could be figured out from the pidgin/libpurple source code. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 Title: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/571822/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
Dear ones, How does Windows MSN client determine whether to use the RL=1 flag? Does anyone know? Can anyone guess? Blessings, Shahar -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
Frustration Well, Going by the GNOME logic (which I dislike .. sigh ( https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167354 )) .. the auto-detection should be just fine (option C). The grandmothers using Gnome should be smart enough to insert the Invisible Unicode LRM/RLM characters when auto-detection goes wrong (which happens very rarely I must admit ). /Frustration I'm afraid the problem get even more complex since last time I checked, MSN didn't support RLM/LRM so well (this might have been changed by now) and in this case butterfly should remove the RLM/LRM marks and set MSN's RL flag accordingly. IMO, Support for Rich text solves the problem since you may specify both alignment and direction (note these are actually two different properties) for different parts of the text and let the protocol plugin do what it can to send it correctly. Maybe Behdad Esfahbod should be asked for his opinion on this. ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #167354 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167354 -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
This was bounced from project to project and ended up in telepathy-spec at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30396. However, I'm not sure whether this is actually relevant to telepathy- spec, because I don't think the communication between Empathy and its MSN backend should need to specify the text direction if it can be detected automatically. Is it meant to be possible to auto-detect alignment from the text of the message? It seems to be, since if I copy שרה from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text and send it between my XMPP accounts, the edit box displays it right-aligned (however, the conversation history displays it left-aligned). So, I think there are really three bugs here, of which we can't fix (B): (A) For all protocols, Empathy should auto-detect whether the text should be RTL, and if so, right-align the text in the conversation history (B) (not fixable by us!) MSN on Windows should auto-detect whether the text should be RTL in the same way as (A), rather than relying on the RL=1 flag (C) To work around (B), telepathy-butterfly (which Empathy uses for MSN) should auto-detect whether the text should be RTL, and if so, set the RL=1 flag when it sends it to the MSN server People who speak RTL languages: does that sound like a reasonable course of action? ** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #30396 http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30396 -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
An alternative course of action would be to give Telepathy messages a flag similar to MSN's RL=1, which indicates the main context's writing direction (as described in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi- directional_text). Since I don't know how RTL languages work, I can't judge whether auto- detection is enough or whether we need a flag. I'd prefer to use auto- detection if we can, though. -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
** Changed in: empathy Status: Unknown = Confirmed ** Changed in: empathy Importance: Unknown = Wishlist -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
This bug sound like an upstream bug and I'll take a wild guess and say the fix is probably the same one I did in Pidgin a few years ago: http://shlomil.blogspot.com/2007/02/patch-to-fix-some-bidi-text-issues-in.html RL=1 should be passed for RTL messages in MSN protocol. Wireshark can be used to confirm what flag value is used by Empathy. Solution: The first letter of the message should be detected for direction and set the flag accordingly (AKA, the Gnome way). -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
confirmed. also, the hebrew messages are locally aligned to the left on the chat window, not only on the remote side's window, but that's for another bug :) ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
Thanks a lot for confirming. I have reported this bug upstream to GNOME and it can be tracked at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630632. This should import bug comments, but its a new feature so it's best to follow at the bugzilla site in case anything is needed. ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #630632 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630632 ** Also affects: empathy via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630632 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
** Tags added: rtl -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
Back to new, as aviramof provided the steps to reproduce the bug. It would be great if someone else with a RTL language installed can confirm the bug. ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = New -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/46325520/Dependencies.txt -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Please answer these questions: * Is this reproducible? * If so, what specific steps should we take to recreate this bug? This will help us to find and resolve the problem. ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
install empathy on Hebrew Ubuntu add account with windows users which is basically the only users i have and i guess normal msn and try to write things in Hebrew and see if they align to the left or to the right i tested it so far with two users and both told me that when i use empathy it's align to the left and with pidgin it's align properly to the right that is all i can tell you. -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 571822] Re: Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger
msn account i don't know about other protocols for now. -- Empathy allign RTL text as LTR text on messenger https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571822 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
