[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
While hardware not detected is troublesome.. documentation on getting the wireless chip to work is documented. Ubuntu and linux often need modification to work or function as the end user would like( this is a known learning curve) The solution can be found easily because it is not just on debian site but several other sites as well. Even though this may make an end user find the solution this is a fact that must be tackled with many items in the transition to linux depending on what a user wants to do in linux. The command line in linux is a common tool. It should be discovered not avoided. ** Changed in: new-user-experience-team Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Opinion -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
Hi Daniel, indeed the CL is how i solved my problem, but that is completely beside the point. We're talking about the User Experience bug on Jockey. Jockey is often ineffective in installing wifi, there's a bug written against it. end of story On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Daniel Stone webmas...@catcodesigns.netwrote: While hardware not detected is troublesome.. documentation on getting the wireless chip to work is documented. Ubuntu and linux often need modification to work or function as the end user would like( this is a known learning curve) The solution can be found easily because it is not just on debian site but several other sites as well. Even though this may make an end user find the solution this is a fact that must be tackled with many items in the transition to linux depending on what a user wants to do in linux. The command line in linux is a common tool. It should be discovered not avoided. ** Changed in: new-user-experience-team Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: jockey (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Opinion -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Jockey driver manager: New Status in New User Experience Project: Invalid Status in NULL Project: Invalid Status in “jockey” package in Ubuntu: Opinion Bug description: The Jockey user experience is awful when Ubuntu (currently 10.04) is installed on a machine with a wi-fi interface that requires either the b43 or b43-legacy driver. Jockey should automatically find, provide, correctly install and activate the proprietary b43 or b43-legacy wireless drivers. Instead not only does it fail in various ways, no troubleshooting information is provided to the user about how to apply workarounds for the Jockey bug(s), such as the need to connect to the Internet some other way and run the script to work b43-fwcutter package or ndiswrapper or bmcwl sources. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/jockey/+bug/578970/+subscribe -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
** Changed in: new-user-experience-team Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
@Alberto Milone wrote: Also you mention workarounds for the Jockey bug(s), such as the need to connect to the Internet some other way and run the script to work b43-fwcutter package or ndiswrapper or bmcwl sources. I would be glad if you could describe the exact steps that you followed to get your wireless card to work. Alberto, i really appreciate the patient and generous response you gave to my heartfelt cry for competent jockey wifi driver installation functionality. Here is what I am doing to try to contribute to this effort. I and a group from Ubuntu Beginners Team are reviving the Wifix project, which is roughly similar to Jockey (except only focused on Wifi drivers). We hope to accumulate, and maintain a database of wifi adaptors and corresponding drivers and publish it for everyone to use. We hope that Jockey will make use of the resources we provide. We definitely will be studying Jockey to learn all we can and provide whatever patches and code we can help out with. Please feel free to participate in the Wifix project as we contribute to Jockey also. We are located at: https://launchpad.net/wifix -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
You said that Jockey fails in various ways. Can you explain how, please? Also you mention workarounds for the Jockey bug(s), such as the need to connect to the Internet some other way and run the script to work b43-fwcutter package or ndiswrapper or bmcwl sources. I would be glad if you could describe the exact steps that you followed to get your wireless card to work. -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
@nUboon2Age: Hi , I would argue that this is a bug and not a usability issue per-se . Yes it is troubling for a new user when stuff doesnt work out of the box. I dont disagree with that. But if this bug a usability bug , wouldn't that mean any hardware not being detected is a usability issue? You seem to be aware of the problems in jockey. If you are aware of issues that need minor changes , it would be great if you could mention it. *That* would help solving this bug and the several others you've listed. Do remember *anyone* can help get a bug fixed. :) -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
@nUboon2Age: Also to note that we would be shortly announcing a few tags which are relevant to usability issues. You can follow this blueprint regarding the tags https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-heuristics-and-bugs -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
@Vish, thank you for your response, but none of that info explains how we should address an Ubuntu User Experience bug, which we both know is different than writing a regular technical bug. It sounds like you are on the hundredpapercuts project, so it seems like you or someone you know would be aware of how to go about this and who to connect with. The thing is that most all of the procedural fixes have already been worked out and could be accomplished with scripts, so if a Jockey/restricted driver manager developer were to put the time and focus in we could be done with this huge stumbling block to new users for good. So can you let us know how to get this addressed? -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/item/12370/ Idea #12370: Developers with focus on user experience * Description * Report duplicate * Help promote this idea! Written by Madsrh the 20 Aug 08 at 10:54. Category: Look and Feel. Status: New Rationale As a desktop OS Ubuntu needs more developers for the user experience part. ... -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24481/
Idea #24481: Proprietary drivers hard to install
* Description
* Report duplicate
* Help promote this idea!
Written by MasterNetra the 18 Apr 10 at 15:01. Category: System. Related
project: Nothing/Others. Status: New
Rationale
My laptop uses a bcm wireless card and every time I end up re-installing Ubuntu
wither its a new version, or coming back to it from another distro. Perhaps I
just want to use the live-cd for security purposes. Either case I usually end
up having to go through the process of installing the bcmwl-kernel and driver
of choice and either running the modprobe commands or restarting the machine.
Not that big of a deal if you know what your doing and are used to it. But what
about the brand new users that don't? Sure they ask in forums (assuming they
know about ubuntuforums.org) or waste their time searching Google. But thats
not exactly a user friendly option and shouldn't need to be done for something
like this.
{Solutions Sugestions follow}
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[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
Solution posted to the above #4 Solution #6: Just fix the bugs in Hardware Drivers (jockey-gtk) Written by aysiu the 27 Apr 10 at 17:18. This already happens in theory. It just has to be implemented better. -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
As Mark Shuttleworth wrote in Design, user experience and development at Canonical Wednesday, September 10th, 2008 There’s also recognition for the scale of the challenge that faces us. When I laid out the goal of “delivering a user experience that can compete with Apple in two years” at OSCON, I had many questions afterwards about how on earth we could achieve that. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/162 Well here's a piece of that. -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
** Summary changed: - user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver + Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver ** Description changed: - The user experience is awful currently (10.04) when Ubuntu is installed - on a machine with a wi-fi interface that requires either the b43 or - b43-legacy driver. Jockey should automatically find, provide, correctly - install and activate the proprietary b43 or b43-legacy wireless drivers. - Instead not only does it fail in various ways, no troubleshooting - information is provided to the user about how to apply workarounds for - the Jockey bug(s), such as the need to connect to the Internet some - other way and run the script to work b43-fwcutter package or ndiswrapper - or bmcwl sources. + The Jockey user experience is awful currently (10.04) when Ubuntu is + installed on a machine with a wi-fi interface that requires either the + b43 or b43-legacy driver. Jockey should automatically find, provide, + correctly install and activate the proprietary b43 or b43-legacy + wireless drivers. Instead not only does it fail in various ways, no + troubleshooting information is provided to the user about how to apply + workarounds for the Jockey bug(s), such as the need to connect to the + Internet some other way and run the script to work b43-fwcutter package + or ndiswrapper or bmcwl sources. -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
Architecture: i386 CurrentDmesg: [ 41.588441] ndiswrapper (iw_set_auth:1602): invalid cmd 12 [ 42.059314] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready [ 52.256033] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx - Release i386 (20100429) MachineType: Dell Inc. Inspiron 2200 Package: jockey-common 0.5.8-0ubuntu8 PackageArchitecture: all PccardctlIdent: Socket 0: no product info available PccardctlStatus: Socket 0: no card ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic root=UUID=f529879a-da19-4ab3-9d0f-cdda072b3c4d ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-21.32-generic 2.6.32.11+drm33.2 Tags: lucid Uname: Linux 2.6.32-21-generic i686 UserGroups: adm admin cdrom dialout lpadmin plugdev sambashare dmi.bios.date: 03/31/2005 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A03 dmi.board.name: 0U6962 dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA03:bd03/31/2005:svnDellInc.:pnInspiron2200:pvr:rvnDellInc.:rn0U6962:rvr:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvr: dmi.product.name: Inspiron 2200 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. ** Tags added: apport-collected -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
Thank you for bringing this bug to our attention. However, a paper cut should be a small usability issue, in the default Ubuntu install, that affects many people and is quick and easy to fix. So this bug can't be addressed as part of this project. - This is a hardware specific issue , Not a papercut For further information about papercuts criteria, please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut. Don't worry though, this bug has been marked as Invalid only in the papercuts project. ** Branch unlinked: lp:ubuntu/jockey ** Branch unlinked: lp:ubuntu/lucid/jockey ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Invalid -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 578970] Re: Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver
@NUboon2Age : Seems like you are new to launchpad , the branch linking and tagging other usability projects for a bug report is not the right way to do it. You may find it helpful to read How to report bugs effectively http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html. You can learn more about bug reporting at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingBugs. ** Project changed: hundredpapercuts = null ** Package changed: ubuntu = jockey (Ubuntu) -- Jockey user experience nightmare for installation of Ubuntu on machines requiring b43 and b43-legacy wireless driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
