[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Fixed in Debian packaging trunk. ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: In Progress = Fix Committed -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
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[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
This bug was fixed in the package pm-utils - 1.4.1-3 --- pm-utils (1.4.1-3) experimental; urgency=low * debian/rules: Remove harddrive power hook, this causes excessive hard disk spindown on a lot of machines. The hdparm package already ships a less aggressive hook (with -B 128 instead of -B 1). (LP: #606706) * debian/control: Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.1 (no changes necessary). * debian/rules: Use dpkg-vendor instead of lsb_release, and drop lsb-release build dependency. -- Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:44:00 +0200 ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
I've been playing with the values of hdparm -B and hdparm -S for a while now, but I haven't been able to achieve an acceptable frequency of spindowns with any combination of settings. My WD2500BEVS and many other hdds out there don't behave as they should, so I'm glad that a safe choice has been made. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Could people please test setting DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT to 127 by default?
That's the first value which actually does permit spindown. Please
change that with
sudo gedit /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/harddrive
(or your favourite editor) and set line 14 to
DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT=${DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT:-127}
If this doesn't help, I'll modify the maverick version to use 128. This
will take away a lot of the power saving, but if it works so poorly for
you (i. e. the people affected by this bug), we can't help it.
Thank you!
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[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Curiously, my hard disk appears to only support four values, indicating that it possibly ignores most bits of the value. Any value = 127 comes back as 1. dan...@thinkpad:~$ sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled APM_level = off dan...@thinkpad:~$ sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfe (254) APM_level = 254 dan...@thinkpad:~$ sudo hdparm -B 253 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfd (253) APM_level = 128 dan...@thinkpad:~$ sudo hdparm -B 127 /dev/sda /dev/sda: setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x7f (127) APM_level = 1 My disk is a Samsung HM251JJ, firmware version 2AA00_00 -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
I discussed that with Michael Biebl. We already have a hook in the hdparm package which sets it to 128, and if anything below causes too much trouble, let's just disable that particular hook completely. That brings us back to what we had in lucid, and is a safe choice at this point. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu Maverick) Status: Triaged = In Progress ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu Maverick) Milestone: None = ubuntu-10.10 -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
I've fixed this bug for myself by modifying the value of the -B
parameter of hdparm when running on battery power.
I did this by editing /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/harddrive and changing
line 14 from DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT=${DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT:-1} to
DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT=${DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT:-128}.
With this setting, my WD2500BEVS does not spin down every thirty seconds
or so like it did before, but I will continue experimenting to find the
optimal value for my hard drive. Different drives probably need
different values.
The variable DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_BAT governs hdparm -B while running off
the battery, and DRIVE_POWER_MGMT_AC (line 8) sets the value when
connected to the mains.
I think hdparm -B should definitely not be set to 1 by default since it
causes severe problems for so many people.
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[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
this bug is killing me, everything crashes now ,because the harddrive take 20-30 second to start spinning again, even sometime it try to start 2-3 times until it start spinning -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
I am on a daily build of Maverick, 20100916, and it still has this issue. Every chance my computer gets to spin down the hard drive, it does. Every 10 seconds or so, I hear the hard drive spin up. I have a Sony VAIO VGN-NW270F. All this spinning up, puts a lot of extra wear and tear on a drive. I think this is a critical bug because anyone who uses their laptop for a long time will wear out their drive extra quickly. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
on battery mode,my hard drive spins down while i am working on the laptop (everything freeze and i can hear the harddrive going calm) then i have to wait for 10 to 20 second until i hear my harddrive spins up again and the laptop work again(even the hd spining down option in power management is off). -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
It definitely appears as though the Spin down hard disks when possible on the On Battery Power tab of the power management applet is not being respected. I have the option unchecked, and can observe the following: dan...@thinkpad:~$ sudo hdparm -B /dev/sda /dev/sda: APM_level = 254 (remove AC) dan...@thinkpad:~$ sudo hdparm -B /dev/sda /dev/sda: APM_level = 1 If I manually sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda after going to battery mode, then the hard disk obviously stops the incessant and overly ambitious spinning down. I'm all for spinning down disks when on battery power, but if I specifically uncheck that option in the power management applet, it should be honoured. Also, when spinning down disks, something a bit more sensible like a 2 or 5 minute idle period would be better (can we have this adjustable maybe?) -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
** Also affects: pm-utils (Ubuntu Maverick) Importance: Medium Assignee: Martin Pitt (pitti) Status: Triaged ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu Maverick) Importance: Medium = High -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Ok, as I sit here on my T42 Thinkpad running on battery and a fully up to date version of Maverick Alpha 3 and listen to my hard drive spin up and down so often it rarely actually FINISHES spinning DOWN before spooling back UP, I'm going to chime in and say the settings are way, way, WAY too aggressive. This MAY be a stupid question, but couldn't we let the user change the spin-down times for ac AND battery instead of(including?) simply providing a yes or no check box to allow spin down in Gnome? Failing that, what config file/script needs to be edited in maverik in order to tone down the settings manually. I don't want the hdparm settings solution as that doesn't stick across reboots. Thanks! -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Today I booted up my laptop. It is currently running without a battery. I notices the HD spin down and looked in the log. It had set the system as running without AC - which is false since the battery was out of the machine. When I plugged the battery in the system put itself in AC-mode. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
I've marked bug 614876 as duplicate, where laptop mode gets detected on a desktop system. However, when it were a laptop system, it should not constantly spin disks down and up so much (by default). ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Two thing can be said. 1. In general the harddisk spins down to often in powersave-mode. 2. The log contains logging of the call to /usr/*/*/ /harddisk The call fails but that is because of some stuff that can not be set. Turning off powersave works in the case. The case a couple of day ago was that the pm-powersave.log did not contain anything else than the initial lines. I remember that becasuse after reading this bug tried to onplug and plug AC multiple times while tail -f the logfile. Bothing happenend. I will be extremely carefull when I experience this bug the next time to check that everything runs. Monitoring udev might be an idea. ** Attachment added: log of my system booting without AC, attaching AC when booted http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53150264/pm-powersave.log -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
** Attachment added: udevadm monitor while turning off AC and turning it on again http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53151242/udev-monitor.acoff-acon.txt -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Soren, you could confirm this bug and provide some details about your hardware, so that the developers have more information to work on. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Yeah . but as of today, and yesterday, it has not been a problem. Two days ago the solution was to disable power-saving manually. BUT I powered on my system in a strange manner august 3rd. I placed the laptop in the docking-station and turned it on. But the power supply to the docking station was off during bootup and I first noticed it after the laptop was booted. I will try to recreate tomorrow when I get back to the office. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
As of today it is still a problem. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
I'm going to devote this report to the part of running the battery mode scripts on AC power. ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Martin Pitt (pitti) -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
upower was not installed on my system (kubuntu), but it does not report that the system is on battery. The output of sh -ex /usr/bin/on_ac_power is: + set -e + OFF_LINE_P=no + [ -d /sys/class/power_supply/ ] + test -d /sys/class/power_supply/AC + test -r /sys/class/power_supply/AC/type + cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/type + type=Mains + test xMains = xMains + [ -r /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online ] + cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online + online=1 + [ 1 = 1 ] + exit 0 Nevertheless, the harddrive spins down as soon as the system is idle for one second or so. And I've noticed this behavior on my desktop computer now too (both running maverick with kubuntu, latest updates as of now installed). The logfile now says Running hook /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/harddrive false: Disabling hard drive power management for /dev/sda...Done. /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/harddrive false: success. when I connect the AC power, but still the HD spins down too often, even after a reboot while having the computer on main power. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Hm, I'm confused now. In comment 2 you said So even the laptop is connected to mains power again, the hooks are run as being on battery only., and in comment 8 it's correct now. What changed in between? So is this actually an issue, or is the remaining problem that it shuts down fast also when the hook is called on AC mode? For AC mode I get hdparm -W 1 -S 0 -B 254 -M 0 /dev/sda and for powersave (battery) mode hdparm -W 0 -S 6 -B 1 -M 254 -F /dev/sda These actually work very well for me, but apparently not for you then. Can you confirm that running the first hdparm command through sudo still causes very short hard disk spindown times for you? -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Yes, I noticed the different output too and could reproduce the behaviour. If I unplug the power cord after a fresh boot, wait until all pm-utils scripts are run and plug the cord in again, then I get the output as in comment 2 (scripts are run as being on battery). But if I quickly unplug and plug the power cord while the pm-utils scripts are still called, then it the scripts are run as in comment 8 - as long as I do the quickly unplugging and plugging. But beside this problem of running the scripts with proper arguments when being on main power again, the wrong initial values are set on boot time already - on both computers I've tested it with (laptop and desktop). *) On the laptop (a Dell Latitude D620 with a PATA harddrive), the initial APM_level (hdparm -B) is set to 1 - which is obviously too aggressive. *) On the desktop computer (HP Pavilion with two SATA harddrives), there is no APM_level set (as it is not supported on these devices), but the write cache is disabled and the option Device-initiated interface power management is not set. The harddrives will spin down within some minutes as soon as the system is idle. Running the /usr/lib/pm- utils/power.d/harddrive hook manually, the write cache and Device- initiated interface power management are set again. ** Changed in: pm-utils (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = New -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 606706] Re: [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC
Correction regarding the desktop computer: initial value of Device- initiated interface power management is enabled and disabled when the harddrive-hook is run manually. I've downgraded pm-utils to the version in lucid (1.3.0-1ubuntu1) on both computers and everything is as it used to be before the update: *) On the laptop, the initial APM_level is set to 254 while on main power and to 128 when running on battery. *) On the workstation, the write cache is enabled and Device-initiated interface power management is disabled. -- [maverick] HD spins down all the time on AC https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/606706 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
