[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
@tracyanne It's only much ado about nothing if you think that Canonical should not have higher moral standards then for instance Microsoft. Also if you can't see that a majority is against this, you must be delusional. It certainly is an affront to a majority of the people who are the most active (you know, the community), the people who are contributing the most to Ubuntu and whom Canonical is so dependent on. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
@tracyanne It was not flagging a idea, it was already implemented. Also, I find your reasoning about the difference between Ubuntu/Mac/Windows and how easy it would be to turn it off/on flawed. That's not what the issue is here. Following your argument Canonical could implement any change they want, no matter how bad, because it's Linux and Open Source? -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Marking as Opinion -- this change was reverted by bug 642839. ** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = Opinion ** Description changed: Evolution should offer the choice of a signature such as Sent from Ubuntu., or similar. -- - The mirror is bug #642839, which requests tweaking/removal of the implemented signature, it was fixed on 2010-09-20. - The signature is added to list of off-the-shelf signatures, + The mirror is bug #642839, which requests tweaking/removal of the implemented signature, it was fixed on 2010-09-20. + The signature is added to list of off-the-shelf signatures, But the signature is NOT ADDED TO EMAILS unless the user selects it in their account preferences. For removal instructions on an individual machine, or account that was installed between 2010-08-28 and 2010-09-20, see: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableUbuntuEmailSignature * This bug report is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is present. Which was fixed and closed. If you do not like this change, please comment with relevant arguments on bug #642839, which requests the removal/reversion of the default signature. * + + NOTE: This change has been reverted by bug 642839. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
quote:: Also if you can't see that a majority is against this, you must be delusional. ::quote I wondered when the Ad Hominem argument would be used. The use of such argument is the recourse of thaose who have no argument. quote:: It certainly is an affront to a majority of the people who are the most active (you know, the community), the people who are contributing the most to Ubuntu and whom Canonical is so dependent on. ::quote No what we are seeing is the most vocal. Those who either don't care or think this is a great idea, are largely silent. quote:: It was not flagging a idea, it was already implemented. ::quote What a pity, the vocal minority torpedoed it. quote:: Also, I find your reasoning about the difference between Ubuntu/Mac/Windows and how easy it would be to turn it off/on flawed. That's not what the issue is here. ::quote But it is. If this wasn't Linux and free open source Software, the owners of the software, the licences.. Microsoft or Apple, would not have given you a choice. Would have made sure you could not remove it. It's because this is Linux and Free Software that even I, a normally quiet member of the community ( a member of the silent majority) gets to have a say on the matter. That is simply not possible in the context of Microsoft's Windows, or Apple's OSX. quote::Following your argument Canonical could implement any change they want, no matter how bad, because it's Linux and Open Source?::quote And because it's Linux and Free Open Source Software, the users have a strong voice. They can easily change to a different distribution (something I'm sure Canonical doesn't want), make loud and clear demands, which actually get listened to, as indeed the vocal majority is and has done here. No sorry, your arguments are flawed they fail to see the whole picture, the best one you've put forward was the Ad Hominem. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Correction: quote:: which actually get listened to, as indeed the vocal majority is and has done here.:quote should read Vocal Minority. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
I kindly ask that any and all discussion will be moved over to the forums or private emails. This is a bug tracker, not a discussion board. www.ubuntuforums.org ^Here's a link if you guys forgot it :). Thanks. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
I think it is a really bad idea. I hope this does not get implemented. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
quote::Terrible idea. Moving to linux was supposed to be an escape from this kind of trashy behavior. What trashy behaviour? If this was Mac or Windows you wouldn't know about it until after you had been already sending emails with this feature enabled, and you would have a snowballs chance of turning it off. This is Linux and Free Software, you are not only told about it before the fact (should it, hopefully, ever become a fact), but are able to discuss it on a forum that gives you a direct line to the developers. In addition, because this is Linux and Free Software, even if it is developed, and implemented (in spite of a very vocal minority), it will be easily accessible, easily turned off or on, as you choose. I fail to understand how flagging an idea (a really good one in this case) in an open and public manner, so that the users of the system can both know about the idea, and comment on it, can be considered trashy behaviour. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
spam. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Terrible idea. Moving to linux was supposed to be an escape from this kind of trashy behavior. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
** Description changed: Evolution should offer the choice of a signature such as Sent from Ubuntu., or similar. - The mirror is bug #642839, which requests tweaking/removal of the - implemented signature, this was implemented on 2010-09-20. The - signature is added to list of off-the-shelf signatures, but the - signature is NOT ADDED TO EMAILS unless the user selects it in their - account preferences. + -- + The mirror is bug #642839, which requests tweaking/removal of the implemented signature, it was fixed on 2010-09-20. + The signature is added to list of off-the-shelf signatures, + + But the signature is NOT ADDED TO EMAILS unless the user selects it in + their account preferences. For removal instructions on an individual machine, or account that was installed between 2010-08-28 and 2010-09-20, see: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableUbuntuEmailSignature * This bug report is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is present. Which was fixed and closed. If you do not like this change, please comment with relevant arguments on bug #642839, which requests the removal/reversion of the default signature. * -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Calling this fix released, when in the eyes of many it has introduced a new problem which did not exist, is strange. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
It's much ado about nothing, in reality. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
I added instructions on disabling the signature to the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableUbuntuEmailSignature I don't think we can justify including this in the official (installed) system docs now, we're too far past the freezes. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
With over 1,400 votes on our poll that we started yesterday, 24.21% think it's a good idea and 75.79% think it's a bad idea, plus over 131 comments on the article, and the comments on this bug report. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/sent-from-ubuntu-signature-to-be- added-to-all-mail-sent-from-evolution/ -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Opinion seems to be a suitable status for this bug. Someone came along and said let there be an advertising signature. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
The opinion status will still leave the bug closed. Furthermore, it has been historically used by certain people to mean We consider this decision final, feel free to post your now-irrelevant opinions. Sent from Ubuntu -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
DON'T DO IT! -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
** Description changed: Evolution should have a default signature such as Sent from Ubuntu., or similar. The mirror is bug #642839, which requests removal of the implemented signature. + For removal instructions on an individual machine, or account, see: + http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableUbuntuEmailSignature + * - This bug is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is present. Which was fixed and closed. - If you do not like this change, Kindly comment relevant info on Bug #642839 which requests the removal of the presence of this default option. + This bug report is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is present. Which was fixed and closed. + If you do not like this change, please comment with relevant arguments on bug #642839, which requests the removal/reversion of the default signature. * -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Please note that in bug #642839 the sig has been left in place, but is off by default. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
WTF no -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Ah, has Ubuntu reached that level of popularity whereupon an unpleasant level of narcissism cannot help but creep into the product itself? This change would be unnoticed by all other than those it would infuriate. Ubuntu is not Windows, OSX or iOS (thank god, in particular, for the last one). Copy the good elements from both, of course, but apparently some work is needed on separating the good from the bad. If you force me onto Fedora, I will never forgive you. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
As many comments above please don't make this the default behavior. I as many have expressed also feel it would be a very unprofessional feature to add. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
This is spam! Will you add Send from Ubuntu to textareas in the browsers i.e. here on launchpad next? There is absolutely no need for a default advertisement signature on emails. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Please, everyone, note that the bug has been resolved. This will not be the default behavior, and the fix has already been uploaded. See bug #642839. You can stop me tooing this bug. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
This bug report is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is present. Which was fixed and closed. If you do not like this change, please comment with relevant arguments on bug #642839, which requests the removal/reversion of the default signature. further comments in both bug reports are unnecessary, the default signature has been removed and made optional. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
** Description changed: - Evolution should have a default signature such as Sent from Ubuntu., - or similar. + Evolution should offer the choice of a signature such as Sent from + Ubuntu., or similar. - The mirror is bug #642839, which requests removal of the implemented - signature. + The mirror is bug #642839, which requests tweaking/removal of the + implemented signature, this was implemented on 2010-09-20. The + signature is added to list of off-the-shelf signatures, but the + signature is NOT ADDED TO EMAILS unless the user selects it in their + account preferences. - For removal instructions on an individual machine, or account, see: - http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableUbuntuEmailSignature + For removal instructions on an individual machine, or account that was installed between 2010-08-28 and 2010-09-20, see: + http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableUbuntuEmailSignature * This bug report is regarding a default option of having a signature when none is present. Which was fixed and closed. If you do not like this change, please comment with relevant arguments on bug #642839, which requests the removal/reversion of the default signature. * -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Personally I'm quite disappointed this is not the default. I think it's a great idea, that subtly tells people about Ubuntu. It's easy, and always was, to turn off for those that like to hide their light under a bushell. For the rest of us, and I suspect most of the people who thought it a good idea, or thought it not worth getting their knickers in a twist over, either never heard of the poll or just didn't bother to vote. I actually didn't even know there was a poll until today. This is once again a case of the vocal minority getting their way, simply because they can shout louder than anyone else. It would be really good if there were instructions telling people about this nice feature, and how to turn it on, given that it is now not the default. I've actually created my own version of the signature, so I can implement it right away. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 615300] Re: Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu
Please don't have this on by default. -- Enable default Evolution signature as Sent from Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/615300 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
