[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 682788 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 ** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 735233 Option for persistent menus in AppMenu for focused application ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 682788 Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 735233 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/735233 ** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 682788 Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 735233 Option for persistent menus in AppMenu for focused application -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 682788 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 thx, Mr. Giannetti! The idea was really to link there! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
Does the following bug affect you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 682788 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Pedro: wrong link :-) I think the idea was to link to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/682788 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 682788 Global menu is not ergonomical on large screens -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
Sebastien, if travelling across the screen is slower than a menu bar inside the window, that is a bug in the pointer acceleration settings. Fixing the bug would be better than adding an option. Aaron, the menu bar should be present on the second screen. If it is not, please report that as a bug too. (It might be bug 771733.) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
Matthew, the problem is not a problem of speed. If I have a 1600x1200 screen with 6 editors windows in it, I prefer having the menu on each window. Moving to the global bar is at least unintuitive, and often confusing (often it's not so clear for which window you are issuing a command). Think about a gimp session with two or three images opened side-by-side, or a programming session while editing the program, the input file, having the debugger opened on the side and a terminal to compile. And that is when you use click-to-focus. If you use focus-follow-mouse, like myself, accessing the global menu means reach the top bar avoiding all the other windows in the screen(*)... and please, do not conclude that the solution is eliminating focus-follow-mouse. Global menu is ok when you work with only one application/window in your screen. Otherwise is, IMHO, a step back. That's my rationale for advocating at least an _option_ to have global menu only for maximized windows --- best of the two world, no drawbacks(**). Thank for your attention. (*) yes, I can (most of time) press F10 and keyboard-navigate the menu. Not so pretty. (**) If you ask me why I insist and not switch to gnome shell or KDE, is because --- apart this global menu religious thing --- I like Unity a lot. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
Ok, Matthew requests for a such option keep coming every cycle in user discussions, blogs etc. There are good reason some users dislike the menu stripping (they use specific softwares that rely on using menus a lot and travelling the screen every time is time consuming for example), could we give them an option somewhere in gnome-control-center or a tweak tools to disabled the option? ** Also affects: ayatana-design Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
This menu-removing behavior also breaks the usability of multiple X screen configurations because the global menu bar is not present on the second screen, but the application menu bar is still removed, leaving no menu bar anywhere at all as a result. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I would also really like to see this fixed. There needs to be a way to easily disable the global menu. It just makes my computer more difficult to use and slows me down. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I have open an opinion (would-be wishlist) for this subject. If any of the subscribers of this bug marked invalid wish to advocate for it, please add to bug#794888. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
** Attachment removed: my maverick https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+attachment/2122618/+files/shouldnt.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I didn't read all of the above stuff, but guys, did you ever try to work with GIMP and that POS AppMenu enabled? The idea is good, but what's the point of removing the menu of non-maximized windows? Sorry for sounding rude, but beside this there are several changes that seem to be buggy and probably were never really tested. (The AppMenu thing just crashes after some changes (window effects) in the CompizConfig (picture attached), I can't use any widgets like the CPU meter or Wanda the fish, compiz effects are laggier than ever (moving windows), etc etc) ** Attachment added: Example of crashed AppMenu bar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+attachment/2124344/+files/Screenshot.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
The kind of problem shown in Irrlicht post happened to me, too; I have been unable to reproduce, so I have not reported it. BTW: there is a way to restart the unity top panel without logout/login? After a couple of weeks, I have to really restate what I said in #17. Global menu is a nice sapce-saver in my netbook when i have just one maximized window, but it is not intuitive nor useful when i have several opened windows in my desktop --- as often I have. The really ideal world would be global menu for maximized windows, local otherwise which I think is the expected, intuitive behavior. I see that this issue is still marked as invalid, so probably it is not useful to continue to write here, and be prepared to switch to Gnome Shell or KDE for 11.10. As an interim solution, setting APPMENU_DISPLAY_BOTH=1 environment variable at least put a local menu in every window (see bug #778418). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
In Ubuntu10.10, I have the bottom bar, the title bar and the menu bar (3 bars). In Ubuntu 11.04, using a hack that I found on the internet, I have the unity launcher always visible, so that things hiding and reappearing won't give me a blink feeling and using an other hack that I found on the internet, I have the title IN the top bar, so that my vertical space in 11.04 will be less occupied than in 10.10 (2). I'm feeling awesome! Windows 95 was 16 years ago. Operating Systems are finally not looking like 95. http://peterpants.blogspot.com/2011/04/ubuntu-1104-unity-how-to-disable-unity.html http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/disable-appmenu-global-menu-in-ubuntu.html ** Attachment added: beautiful https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+attachment/2122591/+files/should.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
** Attachment added: my maverick https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+attachment/2122618/+files/shouldnt.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
** Attachment added: forgot to open firefox https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+attachment/2122629/+files/shouldnt.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
default maverick has 4 bars always visible with 2 bars is a lot of progress, please let -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
*natty always visible with 2 bars is a lot of progress, please let -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
it's half vertical bars... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I agree with #16 and #17. It's absolutely nuts to have to travel all the way to the top left hand side of the screen to access the menu for a window that's down in the bottom right. Global menus are counter-productive on big screens, where applications are often used in a windowed (unmaximised) state. With 11.10 doing away with Ubuntu Classic, it's important to make sure this horrible global menu isn't forced upon us without a simple way to get rid of it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I know this is marked invalid, but let me add a +1 to #16. I am a focus-follow-mouse user, and although I really like global menu for maximized windows, I do not see it's utility when you have a bunch of, say, editors and shells opened in your screen --- you often are choosing things on the wrong *application*. And moreover, a lot of application are misbehaving with global menu, there should be an easy way to blacklist them (for example, digiKam, the gimp itself, and counting...) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I fully agree with Roger Binns. While it does make sense to move the menu bar to the indicator area for maximized windows, this is reducing productivity a lot in nearly every other case. In my opinion, there has to be an option to disable the global menu and to enable it only for maximized windows. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I believe this bug is indeed invalid because you can already disable the global menu in the classic desktop very easily. I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet. The global menu is simply a panel applet in classic gnome. If you want to disable it, right-click on it and Remove from Panel. If you want to re-enable it, right-click on the panel Add to panel Indicator Applet Appmenu. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
Since I can't edit a comment, just to clarify. I meant invalid only for classic desktop. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I agree with Roger Binns. This bug is not invalid. Like him I have my desktop spread across multiple monitors, and on that setup, a global menu would be a user interface disaster. It is a long way to move the mouse pointer from the window I am working in to the top of the screen. Global menus might make sense in the case of a single, fairly small screen (eg a netbook), but in the case of a power user with multiple large screens it is not a workable solution. At this point in the Ubuntu release cycle, I would normally be running the beta on a spare laptop, and looking forward to upgrading on final release day in a few weeks time. Instead I am thinking about switching to Debian. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
David and Roger, in natty the Classic desktop does not use the global menu any longer. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
I am running Beta 2 in a VM that has just been updated. I am still seeing the Global menu when I log into classic desktop ** Attachment added: Screen shot showing global menu in Clasic view. https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/734325/+attachment/2043473/+files/Classic-Global-Menu.jpg -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 734325] Re: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu
** Summary changed: - Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disbable) global menu + Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/734325 Title: Natty: Users should be able to easily turn off (disable) global menu -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
